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Perry Supported Tax Hikes Before He Opposed Them
The Texas Tribue ^ | 8/26/2011 | Jay Root

Posted on 09/06/2011 9:49:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

To hear him tell it on the presidential campaign trail, Gov. Rick Perry has never met a tax increase he liked.

But at home, over a political career that reaches back to the oil price shocks of the 1980s, Perry has embraced billions of dollars worth of them — including a $528 million tax hike approved in 1990, after he defected to the Republican Party.

The biggest tax increases came early in his career, before anyone used the phrase “Tea Party” to describe a potent political movement. But a few weeks ago, Perry also signed into law an online sales tax measure the state says will raise $60 million over the next five years. Grover Norquist’s influential organization, Americans for Tax Reform, calls the measure a dreaded “new tax.”

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1 posted on 09/06/2011 9:50:00 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Mayhap why Palin is waiting ... let all the rest kill their own campaigns?


2 posted on 09/06/2011 9:53:33 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I think this website:

http://www.cafepress.com/dd/56623339

has awesome stuff for every Rick Perry defender out there.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 9:57:34 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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4 posted on 09/06/2011 9:59:01 PM PDT by byteback
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To: doc1019

Well with Obama’s numbers in the tank and the nation sinking deeper. Bachman, Santorum and Cain are much better viable choices. Because let’s face it by 2012 Obama is going to lose against a papar sack.


5 posted on 09/06/2011 9:59:12 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: Tempest
Because let’s face it by 2012 Obama is going to lose against a papar sack.

Let's not follow the democrat's 1999 mistake.

Assume the worst and fight for the win

6 posted on 09/06/2011 10:04:46 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SoConPubbie

You know this Soros backed Tex Trib isn’t the best “conservative” source to be dragging around, if you expect to impress anyone? But we both know you don’t care much about facts just have to say something ronpaulish cause you just can’t help yourself.


7 posted on 09/06/2011 10:04:48 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: dusttoyou
You know this Soros backed Tex Trib isn’t the best “conservative” source to be dragging around, if you expect to impress anyone? But we both know you don’t care much about facts just have to say something ronpaulish cause you just can’t help yourself.

Oh please, you can't prove it is a SORO back site.

Furthermore, they post positive articles and negative articles about Perry.

Finally, try refuting the facts, history, and logic presented in the article instead of trying to shut down discussion by falsely labeling the site a SOROS site.
8 posted on 09/06/2011 10:08:16 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: tsowellfan
Assume the worst and fight for the win

How about we fight for the win with the most conservative candidate we can find instead of the moderate-conservative candidate being pushed by the GOP Elite and moneyed interests with the false idea that only a moderate-conservative can win the election.

They tried the same crap with Reagan, and yet, he won two elections for POTUS.
9 posted on 09/06/2011 10:10:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
Online sales tax measures are not a new tax. It is a new attempt to collect a tax that is already due, but is too easy to cheat on now so people are cheating.

Further, Perry vetoed the online sales tax measure in Texas: Perry vetoes online sales tax bill, but measure may not be dead yet

During the session, Perry had a better solution: "During the session, it also dangled a carrot, offering to invest $300 million in five or six warehouse and distribution centers in the state, employing 6,000 people, if lawmakers would let the company operate for four and a half years without collecting sales taxes from customers. Gov. Rick Perry liked the idea. The Legislature never bought it."

After the veto, the legislators added it to the fiscal bill during the special session. For Perry to stop the online tax, he would have had to veto the entire measure, which was the budget measure funding the state for the next two years.

It is rediculous to blame Perry for that measure, or to claim he "raised taxes" by signing that budget bill, since the measure included NO taxes that are not already legally due.

Calling that a tax increase would be like calling money spent to prosecute tax cheaters to a "tax increase".

10 posted on 09/06/2011 10:13:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoConPubbie; dusttoyou
Oh please, you can't prove it is a SORO back site.

OK, a little bit of a retraction is in order by me on this point.

Seems SOROS did provide The Texas Tribune with a grant for $150, 000 for a legal transcription project

I guess in an oblique way, yes, you could say he has "backed" the site, but using the same level of connection, you can say that Rick Perry has been bought by the many hundreds of corporations that have provided him with donations of $100,000 or more and he really is a Crony Capitalist.
11 posted on 09/06/2011 10:16:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: CharlesWayneCT
After the veto, the legislators added it to the fiscal bill during the special session. For Perry to stop the online tax, he would have had to veto the entire measure, which was the budget measure funding the state for the next two years.

As is usual, there is always an excuse as to why Perry did something.
12 posted on 09/06/2011 10:18:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m not a Perry expert, but I do know he supported Gore in 1988. That was after 8 yrs of Reagan and when Perry wasn’t a kid anymore. What opened his eyes? Election chances? Heck, in 1980 when I was 18, I knew right from wrong. Sounds like just another politician to me.


13 posted on 09/06/2011 10:20:21 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: dusttoyou

Isn’t Rick Perry funded by Bilderberg?

See how that works.


14 posted on 09/06/2011 10:20:41 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: dusttoyou

Correct the facts if they are wrong but don’t just blame the messenger.


15 posted on 09/06/2011 10:23:28 PM PDT by DB
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To: SoConPubbie
BTW, the reason they threw in the online sales tax measure which isn't a real tax increase and Perry couldn't stop (you know Perry can't do the line-item veto like Palin could in Alaska), is because it was the only tax increases they could find in the past 20 years, and one of only two since he became a republican.

The other "republican" one was the increase in 1990. From the article:

Two years later, Perry became a Republican and voted against a half-cent increase in the sales tax during one of four special sessions called to reform the state’s shaky school finance system. Then-Gov. Bill Clements, a Republican, later vetoed that bill, but he signed on to a compromise quarter-cent increase in the sales tax — and Perry fell in line behind him.
So he voted against a .5 cent tax increase, but when the leader of the republican party later compromised with the democratic legislature, Perry went along with the compromise, with the bill passing by a wide majority.

The article, attempting to find anything else to criticize, mentions Perry's tax cuts in 2006, noting that while it cut taxes overall, it did raise some taxes while it cut others, and for some people , the result was higher tax bills and hardship, while others saw lower tax bills.

If I decide to vote for Perry, it won't be the first time I voted for a President who did things I opposed over 20 years earlier, or even 15 years earlier. I'm interested in how he applies his conservative principles today, not what happened in the 1980s.

16 posted on 09/06/2011 10:23:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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17 posted on 09/06/2011 10:26:15 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

18 posted on 09/06/2011 10:26:20 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If I decide to vote for Perry, it won't be the first time I voted for a President who did things I opposed over 20 years earlier, or even 15 years earlier. I'm interested in how he applies his conservative principles today, not what happened in the 1980s.

Good points.

I hope you factor in his Open-Border weaknesses as well.
19 posted on 09/06/2011 10:27:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes, it’s always something, like those pesky texas laws that don’t allow the Governor to pick and choose veto items from a special session.

I’m sure if he had vetoed it, we’d be reading attacks from people who dislike him about every good thing that was in the bill — the bill was a good bill, and it had one thing Perry opposed in it. And that thing wasn’t a new tax.

So yes, as usual, there is always a reason as to why Perry did something.

Just like there was a reason Sarah Palin resigned from the Governorship — and I’m sure you get pissed when people say it was “an excuse”.


20 posted on 09/06/2011 10:30:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoConPubbie

Either the facts of the story are true or they are not.

The more info the better.


21 posted on 09/06/2011 10:31:19 PM PDT by DB
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To: Tempest

You will never get through to the muslim/illegal lovers here who support this fraud ricardo hussein perrynista Tempest. You can try but good luck.


22 posted on 09/06/2011 10:31:22 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thanks for the added info.


23 posted on 09/06/2011 10:33:04 PM PDT by DB
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To: Tempest; The Bronze Titan
Isn’t Rick Perry funded by Bilderberg?

We know how it works. The Bronze Titan explained how it works: His supporters are gonna have to play “Whack-A-Mole’ to defend all the canards that’ll be coming up.

Canards like you saying Rick Perry was funded by Bilderberg, or that he is responsible for a tax increase because he signed the special session legislation which included a misguided attempt to collect the taxes legally owed on internet sales.

We get to smack down all sorts of canards these days.

24 posted on 09/06/2011 10:34:10 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoConPubbie
He has no open-border weakness. He is rated "good" on border security by NumbersUsa, and they say he could be "excellent" if he writes down his plan.

He is weak by some measures on immigration policy. But I have no doubt that under a President Perry, border security will be a top priority. He knows it is a federal job, and as President he will make sure the feds do their job.

25 posted on 09/06/2011 10:36:22 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

BTW, don’t get me started in internet sales tax. I think it is sad how many good conservatives think it is OK to cheat on their taxes if they can get away with it, and how many excuses they can give as to why they shouldn’t really have to pay sales tax on something they buy in another state and have shipped to their home.

All the while, the companies who set up shop in the state, and employ them and their neighbors, are put at a disadvantage because they are legally required to collect the sales tax for purchases.

As are internet companies who happen to have business in the state — which again favors companies who purposely move their physical business out of state. Amazon and Barnes & Noble can sell the same book to the same person, but B&N has the additional cost of collecting the sales tax, while Amazon can offer it “tax free”, which makes the price look smaller, so long as the person who buys the book then cheats on their taxes.

Texas has a sale tax, because you actually need money to run a government and provide necessary services, and they don’t have income tax. The sales tax could actually be lower if the people buying over the internet didn’t cheat on their taxes, forcing their neighbors to pay higher taxes to make up for the revenue lost to the tax cheats.

That is why I favor a federal law enabling states to collect sales tax on out-of-state purchases shipped into the state, equal to the sales tax the same person would pay within the state, with exclusions and limitations for companies that do such small sales that the burden would be overwhelming. I don’t favore the method Texas used.

I liked what Perry was pushing — Amazon would come out in the open with their state operations, and would create jobs and help the economy, and then after 4 or so years would start collecting sales tax, so there wouldn’t be a big lawsuit.

It is too bad the legislature wouldn’t go for that plan, and forced the online sales tax change into the special session omnibus legislation.


26 posted on 09/06/2011 10:44:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bobby.223
My 1st crazy Rick Perry declaration!


27 posted on 09/06/2011 10:46:07 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; SoConPubbie
'Online sales tax measures are not a new tax. It is a new attempt to collect a tax that is already due

Wow! spoken like a true lefty. I suppose if Perry doesn't get the nomination you're going to vote for Obama your other true love.

28 posted on 09/06/2011 10:56:03 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: Tempest

It is a fact he and his supporters are illegals and muslin lovers....but a queer also? Have anything to back that up? I have heard the homo stories about senor ricardo hussein perrynista but they are just ‘stories’....aren’t they? He does not look fag to me, far from it.


29 posted on 09/06/2011 10:56:16 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

Sorry, I thought I was posting to someone else. It’s a joke, well maybe.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 10:59:45 PM PDT by Tempest (I will be the one to say I told you so.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; SoConPubbie
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzing!

Palin is a quitter, and she didn't send back the Bridge to Nowhere funds, but she has her excuses as well, right?

31 posted on 09/06/2011 11:02:41 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Hildy; Longbow1969

Welcome to JimRob’s new FR.


32 posted on 09/06/2011 11:08:13 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Tempest

You live in California, if your freeper page is to be believed.

Under California law, if you buy anything from Amazon, you are required to file a “use tax” on the purchase, and pay the sales tax owed that Amazon did not collect.

If a person does not pay this tax, they are a tax cheat — like Tim Geithner and the other lefties who cheat on their taxes. That’s just a fact of life.

You may hate your state’s sales tax, but it is a legal tax, and people of the state are required by law to pay it even if it isn’t collected for them by the merchant.

If your state decides to pass a law which makes it harder for you to cheat on your sales tax, it isn’t a new tax. It’s enforcing the existing tax code.

Now, how saying that people should pay the taxes they are legally required to pay is a “true lefty” position is beyond me. And explaining the facts is not a lefty position either, but rejecting them because you don’t like them certainly is.

You can create your own reality, if you are a leftie. Conservatives live in the real world, where sale tax is legally required to be paid on purchases out-of-state that are shipped into the state for use by residents of the state.

It’s not conservative to ignore the facts, or to cheat on taxes.

If you need me to, I can provide you with the links to the relevant portions of California tax code. I’ve studied this issue in some detail.

To summarize: Enforcing collection of a tax legally due is not a new tax. Perry opposed the measure and vetoed it. He signed an omnibus bill that contained mostly things that were good and required for Texas, and had no way to reject the online sales tax collection measure added to the bill.

If someone, knowing those facts, wants to blame Perry for this, they are free to do so. But calling me a lefty for pointing out the facts isn’t really a refutation.


33 posted on 09/06/2011 11:09:16 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoConPubbie

The Palin Hit Squad continues their unfounded attacks on Rick Perry.

You people make the mainstream media proud.


34 posted on 09/06/2011 11:16:58 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Hey, when it come to taxes you're one sick tax loving dude.

According to your lack of logic, if I make a purchase out of state I owe MY state a sales tax.

I physically make a out of state purchase...no tax.

I make a out of state purchase while sitting at home, I owe a tax?

How does my physical presence change anything?

BTW, it's a "sales tax" not a purchase tax.

35 posted on 09/06/2011 11:17:54 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: SoConPubbie

Let’s fight for the win with a candidate capable of running the Oval Office, not one that might skip town in 2 years if the kitchen gets too hot.


36 posted on 09/06/2011 11:18:35 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don’t know about California’s use tax, but I’m familiar with Oklahoma’s. We’re required to pay a use tax equal to the sales tax on out of state purchases that are not for resale. The tax applies to both individuals and businesses. Oklahoma makes collection of the tax easy. A section on the annual income tax form allows individuals to either pay an estimated use tax, a small percent of income, or list and pay a precise amount.

I think the compliance rate for businesses is greater, because they keep records of their merchandise transactions, like invoices. With individuals, it’s more difficult. Without probable cause and a warrant, how can government prove an individual purchased something from Amazon.com? Nevertheless, we are legally and morally obliged to pay.

As for use taxes in general, I’m torn between in-state businesses and internet sales. It is very difficult for in-state businesses to remain competitive against internet-based businesses for this reason. Use and sales taxes distort the market. Some merchandise would be better marketed in-state while other items are more viable for internet sales. Use and sales taxes help skew the market toward the internet, even though that may not always be the most efficient way to do business.


37 posted on 09/06/2011 11:53:48 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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lewislynn: “Hey, when it come to taxes you’re one sick tax loving dude.”

I’m sure he’s capable of defending himself, but I’m going to defend CharlesWayneCT. Can you point out where he said he loved taxes? As far as I can tell, he’s only reporting the facts.

Here’s from the Oklahoma Tax Commission:

“Every state with a sales tax has a companion tax for purchases made outside the state. In Oklahoma, that tax is called “use tax”. If you have purchased items for use in Oklahoma from retailers who do not collect Oklahoma sales tax, you owe Oklahoma Use Tax on those items. Individuals in Oklahoma are responsible for paying use tax on their out-of-state purchases.”

Note they didn’t say mail order transactions. The Oklahoma use tax also applies to buying something out of state (in person) in order to bring it back into Oklahoma for use.

I bet CharlesWayneCT doesn’t like taxes any more than I do, but we DO have a moral and legal obligation to pay them. Personally? I think tax rates are way too high, and government, especially the federal government, is doing way more than it should. That doesn’t make tax avoidance right. Don’t like it? Get the tax laws changed.


38 posted on 09/07/2011 12:07:59 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: CitizenUSA
Don’t like it? Get the tax laws changed.
Use tax,how convenient for you.

It would be much easier to do if people like you and CharlesWayneCT would stop defending them.

Can you point out where he said he loved taxes?
Yea, both of you did it in your own (so many) words.
40 posted on 09/07/2011 12:21:47 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: rjeffries
Let’s fight for the win with a candidate capable of running the Oval Office, not one that might skip town in 2 years if the kitchen gets too hot.

How about you quit repeating the Left-wing inspired crap.

Secondly, I'd like a POTUS not bought and paid for by corporate interests who want the border wide and open and the Illegal Alien (Cheap Labor subsidized by the Taxpayer) problem not solved.
41 posted on 09/07/2011 12:22:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I have no State Income tax, it cost me $62 a year for vehicle tax. How you doing out there in California?


42 posted on 09/07/2011 12:22:55 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: rjeffries
You people make the mainstream media proud.

You moderate loving Perry Apologists make the GOP Establishment proud.
43 posted on 09/07/2011 12:24:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: chesty_puller
I have no State Income tax, it cost me $62 a year for vehicle tax. How you doing out there in California?

we don't want to talk about taxes in California, we're buried in taxes, however, we're not talking about comparisons between states are we, but the honesty of a candidate, his reliability to tell the truth and run a Whole country, not just one state.

Texas's taxes vs. California taxes are not the issue here, but a candidate that wants you to believe he is the second coming of Reagan, when in reality, his past actions make him out to be just another politician that says one thing on the run-up to an election and then he commits actions that are not about limited government or conservatism but to further his own political ambitions and to please his corporate donors.
44 posted on 09/07/2011 12:27:58 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The longest serving Gov. in Texas history is doing a pretty good job. He’s not perfect, but he is a hell of lot better than anyone running.


45 posted on 09/07/2011 12:34:53 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT


So, he has the following positions:

1. Against E-Verify as a tool to limit severly the ability of Illegal Immigrants to get Jobs in Texas
2. He is against a Border Wall/Fence as another tool to limit Illegal Immigration
3. He is against Interior Enforcement like that provided by AZ1070
4. His state police have basically the same Open-Border policies as those employed by the City of Houston whom he and his team call a Sanctuary City

And you think he has not Open-Border weakness?

Charles, I used to think you were a rational conservative that I just disagreed with on some issues, but more and more, especially with your excuses for the Internet Sales Tax and now this concerning Perry's Open-Border stances leads me to believe you are just another Perry Apologist.

Weak, very weak.
46 posted on 09/07/2011 12:35:27 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: chesty_puller
The longest serving Gov. in Texas history is doing a pretty good job. He’s not perfect, but he is a hell of lot better than anyone running.

Naw, his positions on the issues put him behind Bachman and Cain, far behind.

Furthermore, when Governor Palin announces, which she will, soon, he will be a distant fourth in terms of a quality CONSERVATIVE candidate.
47 posted on 09/07/2011 12:37:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: CharlesWayneCT

One thing that some here may not understand is that Texas does not have a state income tax. Compare the total tax you pay in Texas to what you would pay in California. I know from experience.


48 posted on 09/07/2011 12:37:26 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: lewislynn

lewislynn: “Use tax,how convenient for you.”

Where’s did I say I loved the use tax? I don’t like it, but I follow the law. You appear irrational. Do you not understand the written word? I’m not trying to insult you. I’m just trying to figure out where you came up with the idea that I love taxes simply because I say we are morally obligated to pay them. Are you claiming it’s morally OK to pick and choose what laws to obey? Are you an anarchist? If not, how do you propose paying for government. Even a constitutionally limited government requires some sort of funding.


49 posted on 09/07/2011 12:41:16 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Left wing inspired crap? You mean Palin didn’t quit her job when the pressure got cranked up?! She served her term?


50 posted on 09/07/2011 12:42:22 AM PDT by rjeffries
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