Posted on 09/07/2011 11:14:03 AM PDT by AAABEST
I agree, and I believe most of the candidates running and considering running meet that qualification. However, I see way too many people on here castigating and tearing down another candidate AND his/her supporters because they are not "true conservatives" as THEY define the term, meaning that the candidate does not agree with them on every issue. I am not talking about pointing out and disagreeing on political issues - I am talking about the screams of "RINO", "liberal", "troll" and the like that are hurled on this forum all the time.
Just finished watching the whole thing, although 1 hour plus of Brian Williams was hard to handle. Your prognostication was right on, in my opinion.
Yes, thank you. I watched too and it played out like I expected. No surprises, really. Williams is unbearable, you’re certainly right.
I really have to give credit to Newt for taking the fight to the liberal media and driving the point home that Obama must go any any GOPer on that stage would be better than Obama.
It was a good debate. I really think this is the complete field, and it’s clear that the media thinks Perry is the biggest threat to Obama, and that the other GOP candidates think Perry is the biggest threat to them winning the nomination.
Wait and see.
I agree with you, and I find myself sometimes philosophically agreeing with Dr Paul, but he loses me in many of the practical application of what he advocates.
Dr Paul’s problem is primarily his presentation (which is poor, he comes across like a crazy avuncular type), and that in order to explain his positions he needs more than a six second sound bite. The former is his problem, the latter is the problem of the US electorate, which can’t seem to absorb a morsel of information unless it is boiled down to a brief sentence they can repeat. Dr Paul’s ideas don’t conform to that, so his message will consistently be muddled and confused.
I kept watching a few minutes on MSNBC and laughed out loud at their roundtable. I think a college tv station should be able to do better than what MSNBC peddles as news analysis. Sheesh!
[ You’re not altogether, altogether on your knowledge of political history. There was a time about 60 plus years ago that the southern Democrats, nicknamed Dixiecrats were the major conservatives in the country ]
Not true.. the democrats have always been major spenders..
There was a time when a few democrats were not big spenders..
But even then most were.. big government crats..
But there always been RINOs as well..
When the teachers Union stopped teaching civics and american history as mandatory classes is when the rot began..
Since then its taken quite a few years for the critic mass to happen..
Now.... most americans have no idea how america works..
when I say most I mean MOST.. a majority..
America has been reduced to how they “feel” about things..
Not a wit of knowledge about civics or the constitution..
They do NOT know what socialism “IS”.. or what capitalism ISN’T..
Real american history has been “tarnished” to be fables..
AND NONE KNOW that the words democracy or democratic is not found anywhere in the american constitution..
For good reason too.. because democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters..
As the founders knew and designed a system to guard against democracy..
even most republicans don’t know that..
Why “WE” had to save Europe from democracy TWICE..
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx
Experience isn’t worth bull crap if you’re on the wrong side of the issue, as is Perry on immigration. Sheesh, by your logic, Obama is more qualified than any Repub candidate b/c he has EXPERIENCE in being President. SEE? Experience REALLY isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
That being said, Palin IS more experienced than Perry at rooting out corruption..... actually, he has no experience in that area.
Palin's position is about the same as Perry's. Both would allow illegals to work here.
Palin said, "And let's say no, if you are here illegally, and if you don't follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we're going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow you to work. If you're not going to do that, then you will be deported." Video link
uh, wrong. Her policy is NOT the same as Perry’s. She’s pro-fence, and against entitlements to illegals.
And by admission of your own post, you contradicted yourself. You proved that Palin is willing to deport. RICK PERRY WILL NOT DEPORT ILLEGALS WHO AREN’T ALSO FELONS.
The fence may be a real difference between Perry and Palin, but Palin doesn't understand that where the border is a river, ranchers on the USA side want their cattle and crops to have access to the water. I would like to believe that a fence alone would solve all our problems, but I think Perry is right that without boots on the ground, a fence does nothing. There may be a better way than a fence in some cases, I'm not sure.
What do you mean by "entitlements?"
And by admission of your own post, you contradicted yourself. You proved that Palin is willing to deport.
You are not paying attention. She said she will deport them IF they don't "follow the steps" in her "immigration reform" program.
RICK PERRY WILL NOT DEPORT ILLEGALS WHO AREN’T ALSO FELONS.
Maybe, but that statement could apply just as well to what Palin said. She said she would deport them if they didn't register and "follow the steps," whatever that means. In the interview I linked, on immigration she sounded like she was making it up as she talked. Perry might not do any better, if he ever gets a tough question on immigration.
I don't trust Perry or Palin on immigration. Herman Cain sounds solid on immigration, but I don't think he has a chance.
I thought Perry did not look good at the debate tonight. Even though I agree with Perry that global warming is BS, when they asked him to name some scientists who agreed with him, he dodged the question.
But why is it doing better? Romney hit it on the head: Texas has no state income tax, a GOP legislature and low regulation/pro-business attitude.
None of that is Perry's doing. Perry deserves to get vetted and hard. Why should he or any candidate for my vote get a free pass? Perry's got to prove that the "Texas Miracle" is his doing. I like him, although he didn't seem especially strong in the debate, but turn up the heat on Perry.
If he can stand the fire he'll beat Obama and turn our country around. He appears to have the talking points down, but he's been a career government official. Maybe that's different in Texas, but not in Illinois. I want him x-rayed. Our country's at stake.
“may???”
You may benefit from some history:
Perry’s dad was a Democrat county commisioner for 28 years. Haskell county was still voting Democrat within the last 10 years.
Most counties in Texas didn’t even have Republican primaries until the ‘80’s. Moma was election judge in Henderson County in ‘80, when there were 10 registered Republican voters in the precinct, and 3 of them lived in her house.
The local Baptist preacher reportedly lost his pulpit when his church found out that he’d voted in the Republican primary.
Perry making Rush an honorary Texan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ARGXuLFRlQ
The impression I got on Perry was that he was great on offense and sucked on defense. He got cornered a couple of times, on job creation and Social Security, and he didn’t handle them well. That may get you to the playoffs but it won’t win the big game.
We are having a difference of semantics. I never said not to weigh his ability. I generally agree with your assessment of Rick.
But as far as vetting him for his “qualifications” which are required to hold the office. He is a “natural born” U.S. Citizen, he is of lawful age, and he has resided in the U.S. for the required time. Under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution, he is qualified to hold the office of President of the United States. (unlike Obozo) Those qualifications require no further vetting.
As far as determining if he is the man to serve in the office, I would much prefer he stay in Texas as the Governor. But we need someone as President who will greatly reduce the size of DC. That is the only path out of this mess we are in.
We are at a now or never moment.
Haskell County:
I live there.
My family has been here since 1889. Rick Perry’s ancestors came here in 1887.
There are no Republican office holders in the county. Only Democrats at the local level. None of the office holders are Libs. They never have been.
There is some history that is hard to explain to outsiders that has caused this.
I have always been a Republican. First voted for President when Richard Nixon was elected.
Unfortunately I have cousins who do not believe that anything has changed since 1865. Does that make them bad people? No. But they are dumb as dirt when it comes to this mess we are in.
I see and thanks for the clarification. Tell me, is that Perry’s history? Has he spent 3 terms reducing government’s size, red-tape and taxes?
He is not nor has ever been a Lib.
He listens when the “right” people apply pressure to him.
He has a following of big donors.
The Aggie (A&M) community is quite strong in Texas.
As far as lowering taxes and cutting government spending it is a mixed result. He tried hard to reduce dependence on property taxes for school finance, the results were not quite what he or his friends wanted. He made a lot of enemies with educators in Texas with some of his actions.
I get mixed responses when there is discussion of his close associates.
I was told by his “best friend” from his youth that the only way he would run for President would be if the National Republican Party Officials asked him to run. I am convinced that did in fact happen.
Is he the man for the job? Not sure. I would prefer he stay in Texas as Governor, but whatever it takes we must remove this cancer in Washington that is destroying the nation. It MUST be done now.
Well, hi and glad to meet you!
It takes guts to go against the grain, doesn’t it?
Daddy says that he and my mother’s first fight was over politics, and I watched them fuss when I was little. But Daddy expected Mama to vote the way he told her. In 1964, “they” “decided” who to vote for. Mama finally told him, years later, that she voted for Goldwater that second time.
But Daddy is no longer a yeller dog Democrat - I think that vote for Johnson was his last.
Proud of you and of the Governor for seeing the light. (Even if it took him a while.)
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