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Attorney General Eric Holder seeks distance from gun sting
Yahoo ^ | 9/7/11 | Jeremy Pelofsky - Reuters

Posted on 09/07/2011 7:00:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday sought to distance himself and other senior Justice Department officials from a botched operation to track guns smuggled to Mexican drug cartels, saying they were not involved.

The Obama administration has been under scrutiny after revelations that as many as 2,000 guns were sold to suspected gun traffickers, not properly tracked and ended up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico.

The operation, dubbed "Fast and Furious", was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the U.S. Attorney's office in Arizona. Congressional Republicans have questioned who approved it and whether senior Justice Department officials were involved.

"The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters.

The botched operation already has claimed the jobs of Ken Melson, acting director of the ATF, .. and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke, who resigned abruptly last week.

ATF officials and federal prosecutors had hoped the operation would help them follow the guns to cartel leaders. But ATF agents did not witness many of the purchases or track many of the guns after the initial purchaser resold them.

Holder questioned whether the congressional probe, ... was politically motivated.

He admitted it was a "flawed enforcement effort," but said, "my hope would be that Congress will conduct an investigation that is factually based and not marred with politics."

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Two guns from the operation were found at the scene where a U.S. Border Patrol agent was shot dead in a shootout with illegal immigrants last December.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; attorneygeneral; banglist; batf; batfe; blackkk; distance; ericholder; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunsting; gunwalker; holder; holderspeople
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1 posted on 09/07/2011 7:00:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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He admitted it was a “flawed enforcement effort,”

NSS!


2 posted on 09/07/2011 7:01:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
""The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts,"

In other words, all the evidence has successfully been run through his shredders, several times, and the fall-guys have been decided.

3 posted on 09/07/2011 7:02:41 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: NormsRevenge

......rooters “helping” the masses understand a “mistake”


4 posted on 09/07/2011 7:03:38 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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5 posted on 09/07/2011 7:03:51 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters.

Notice how he isn't denying that he knew about it - he's just saying that it isn't supported by the facts that are currently available. Classic non-denial denial. Don't count on the MSM to follow up on this one!
6 posted on 09/07/2011 7:03:58 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: NormsRevenge

Did not track MANY of the guns..?! There was, what? ONE case of them putting a GPS thingie on one gun, and it went dark that very night?

This hubris is breath-taking.

The FACTS of the case?


7 posted on 09/07/2011 7:06:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: NormsRevenge
He wants distance? How about Kansas.

Barry can be his cell mate. I'm sure they get along together quite well.

8 posted on 09/07/2011 7:06:50 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: NormsRevenge

Brave sir Robin turned his tail and fled.


9 posted on 09/07/2011 7:07:09 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: NormsRevenge

Whether or not Holder and his inner circle were involved in the original plan to funnel the illegal weapons to criminals (and it will probably take a special prosecutor to dig into that to get the truth), Holder and company have certainly been involved up to their ears in the subsequent obstruction and cover-up.


10 posted on 09/07/2011 7:07:30 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: NormsRevenge

This criminal seeks to “distance himself”,does he? How about 25 yards and a running start, traitor?


11 posted on 09/07/2011 7:07:47 PM PDT by dainbramaged (I lost my mantra around 1969.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sting? In a sting you have good guys that catch the bad guys and the bad guys don’t keep the bait.


12 posted on 09/07/2011 7:08:37 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we can identify their corporate sponsors.)
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To: NormsRevenge
No one DIED in Watergate. No one DIED in Iran-Contra.

They lied, and people DIED.

13 posted on 09/07/2011 7:08:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: NormsRevenge

If he didn’t do anything wrong, then why????


14 posted on 09/07/2011 7:08:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NormsRevenge

What a lying POS! Obama ordered it and funded it, Holder implemented it and of course bragged about it to Calderon in Cuernavaca. They BOTH knew what was going to happen.

To deny knowledge of it is simply a bald-faced lie.


15 posted on 09/07/2011 7:08:53 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: NormsRevenge

Holder is a serial liar.


16 posted on 09/07/2011 7:09:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: NormsRevenge

He’s in it up to his scalp. He can’t add any buffer to protect himself from the inevitable. Get him on the stand. Corrupt jerk.


17 posted on 09/07/2011 7:10:05 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: AFreeBird

Nah. Send them both back to Illinois. Marion to be exact.


18 posted on 09/07/2011 7:11:46 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lessee... There was the Black Panther’s thugs voting fiasco. Then there was gunrunner. Now there is the Gibson Guitar thing. I’m sure I’ve missed three or four outrages. What happened to three strikes and you’re out?


19 posted on 09/07/2011 7:16:27 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SueRae

Personally I prefer they reside in Joliet. Or is Joliet lower security than Marion? Maybe I’m just remembering the Lincoln Park Pirates song.


20 posted on 09/07/2011 7:17:24 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: gaijin
There was, what? ONE case of them putting a GPS thingie on one gun, and it went dark that very night?

More importantly, a BATF paid for the GPS thingie out of his own pocket at a Radio Shack -- because there was no budget for actually tracking the weapons!

A singular fact which proves that the whole exercise had nothing to do with actually "tracking the weapons" but was set up to do something else altogether different.

21 posted on 09/07/2011 7:17:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: gaijin

Never let a crisis go to Waste...

22 posted on 09/07/2011 7:20:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: NormsRevenge

So who was responsible? An intern?


23 posted on 09/07/2011 7:22:34 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: AFreeBird

Why send Holder to Levenworth? Mexico wants extradition of those involved in this fiasco; let Holder rot in a Mexican prison.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 7:22:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NormsRevenge

If he didn’t know then he shouldn’t be holding on to his job,no pun intended.


25 posted on 09/07/2011 7:23:19 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m sure Mr. Holder wants to “distance himself” - at least as far as the orbit of Jupiter - from this debacle ! His testimony to Mr. Issa’s Committee was like listening to Jack Lemon !

Tuesday, his - and his minions’- testimony alleging OFF was a “sting operation targeting drug cartel leadership” got knifed when Mr. D. Codrea of Gun Rights Examiner published allegations, thanks to BATF and FBI manipulation of the ICS System, enabled “prohibited persons” - with no known connections to Mexican cartels - to obtain firearms in Indiana ! A fact, if proven true, pretty well kills the OA meme of OFF being limited to a trans-border sting operation.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/mainstream-media-ignores-indiana-gunwalker-story

>PS


26 posted on 09/07/2011 7:23:49 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: originalbuckeye
Personally I prefer they reside in Joliet. Or is Joliet lower security than Marion?

Joliet is a state prison. Marion is a federal pen.

27 posted on 09/07/2011 7:24:34 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: RowdyFFC
They BOTH knew what was going to happen.

It certainly appears that they knew exactly what was going on.

So. THREE top officials IN THE WHITE HOUSE are directly involved and none of them are going to go pumping themselves up to little bammy about their clever little scheme?

That has got to be the three most iron-willed, well disciplined donks in the u.S.

And NO, I am not buying that load of crap "I didn't know" for one minute. If there is one thing a hard core donk loves to do it is self promotion to superiors while sniffing around for points and promotions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2775049/posts

28 posted on 09/07/2011 7:26:36 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SueRae
hmmmm I'm thinking Huntsville, Texas might be a nice place for them....
29 posted on 09/07/2011 7:45:22 PM PDT by Newton (If Obama is the answer it's probably a stupid question.)
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To: NormsRevenge
If Holder was not really involved (and even idiots know he was), then he would prosecute those who WERE involved to the fullest extent of the law.

The Government of Mexico must REALLY like Obama. They have said very little about this.

30 posted on 09/07/2011 7:46:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: NormsRevenge

“The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don’t think is supported by the facts,” Holder told reporters.”

Perhaps this is Holder’s meaning of “IS” moment.


31 posted on 09/07/2011 7:46:41 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: nobody

Sipsey Street:

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32 posted on 09/07/2011 7:57:06 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: NormsRevenge

Holder will end up resigning...this stuff just takes time.


33 posted on 09/07/2011 8:08:18 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: NormsRevenge

There are murders of police and children across the USA
because of Holder and Obama and the ultracorrupt DOJ.

Holder has made the DOJ a joke for the rest of this
century.

DOJ - The Agency of murderers against the American Homeland.


34 posted on 09/07/2011 8:08:50 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

distance maybe, but out of range, no way.


35 posted on 09/07/2011 8:26:00 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Army Air Corps

Well, hadn’t thought of that. But perhaps you’re right, Mexico should have first crack at him.

Then again, why can’t we have a crack at him too? He got our people killed too. Maybe we can put him on border detail. One day he’s on the US side, the next the Mexican side.


36 posted on 09/07/2011 8:32:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: NormsRevenge


37 posted on 09/07/2011 8:44:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: NormsRevenge
My fondest hopes are that Fast and FuriousGate will take out both Holder and Nappy, and if we get lucky (if they were sloppy with email) maybe even Zero.
38 posted on 09/07/2011 9:16:04 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters.
What you think ultimately may not matter one whit, Eric.
39 posted on 09/07/2011 9:55:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NormsRevenge

Holder is a moron if he thinks anyone will believe this program was adopted and put into action without some approval at a high level. Particularly since it affected Mexican law enforcement interests.


40 posted on 09/07/2011 11:14:49 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: AFreeBird

Felons usually want to distance themselves from their crimes.

I saw an interview with Issa where he assured the Fox reporter that he wants no prosecutions. He says he just wants to fix whatever broke down so the same “mistakes” are not repeated. He seemed very proud of himself for being unconcerned about justice and equality before the law.


41 posted on 09/07/2011 11:47:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NormsRevenge

goin down


42 posted on 09/08/2011 12:02:07 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Army Air Corps

let Holder rot in a Mexican prison.

Amen


43 posted on 09/08/2011 12:04:32 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: NormsRevenge

BTTT


44 posted on 09/08/2011 12:34:39 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Proud Barbarian TEA Party SOB)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Yeah, really, what is the distance between DC and Leavenworth?

Thanks NormsRevenge.


45 posted on 09/08/2011 12:43:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters.

Good thing he qualified his statement with the words, "at this point." Because other wise, he would be lying outright. This is a good indicator that he is going to deny until his involvement is undeniably proven.
46 posted on 09/08/2011 4:15:13 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: gaijin

What happened to Rahm’s middle finger?


47 posted on 09/08/2011 4:33:10 AM PDT by semaj
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To: NormsRevenge

The investigation into the nightmare, Fast & Furious, is a exactly that. A nightmare. However, if Issa, Grassley or anyone else that gives a damn, wants to see how far this goes, they only have to do one thing. Start a criminal investigation, put some asses in the chairs at the defense table and start convicting folks. If its the lowliest ATF agent, so be it. They violated their oaths and sworn duty, when they took part in the fiasco and let the guns walk. Once people start doing some time and the convictions start coming in, I’m quite sure that email after email will start being delivered to Issa, et al.


48 posted on 09/08/2011 5:17:27 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: MestaMachine

ping


49 posted on 09/08/2011 6:48:50 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,get in their face” B.H. Soetoro Obama)
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50 posted on 09/08/2011 6:52:16 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Bovina Sancta!)
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