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Navy fires another commanding officer, the 18th this year
Stras & Stripes ^ | September 7, 2011 | Matthew M. Burke

Posted on 09/07/2011 7:48:17 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

The Navy has fired another commanding officer, the 18th this year, surpassing last year’s mark of 17 with slightly less than four months left to go.

Cmdr. Mark Olson of USS The Sullivans was relieved of his command due to a loss of confidence in his abilities following an Admiral’s Mast on Wednesday, according to a Navy news release.

Vice Adm. Daniel Holloway, commander of U.S. 2nd Fleet, made the decision after close examination of an incident that occurred Aug. 17 during a gunnery exercise in the Cherry Point Operating Area range, the release said.

Navy officials said inert rounds landed close to a civilian fishing vessel, which was mistaken for a towed target the ship was instructed to engage. The vessel and crew of the fishing vessel were unharmed.

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1 posted on 09/07/2011 7:48:21 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Surely the new emphasis on embracing the Sodomy will help though?


2 posted on 09/07/2011 7:51:07 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Gotta make room for Obama’s cronies.


3 posted on 09/07/2011 7:51:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I hear tell there are Iranian subs, not to mention pirates, in the Red Sea. Otta give them a mission. Something “real” to do.


4 posted on 09/07/2011 7:51:57 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: MSF BU

You don’t embrace the Sodomy. The Sodomy embraces you.


5 posted on 09/07/2011 7:52:51 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Sad that it was The Sullivans. For those who don't know the story:
As the America I served in uniform for 4 years in the early Vietnam era sinks closer to abandoning the ideals, values and freedoms we all take for granted and for which so many have struggled and died defending here and abroad, I'm reminded that we're in this mess because so many have never learned or just forgotten that freedom is anything but free. It is HARD – and too often DEADLY -- WORK.

As I searched for a photo in my computer library recently, an image jumped off the screen at me and brought to mind a personal incident highlighting our current problem and, not incidentally, reminding us that July 4th is not just about hot dogs and beer. We should pay homage to men such as these each and every day.

I awoke one morning during a 2005 cruise as we pulled into Nassau and looked out the porthole to see two US Arleigh Burke class destroyers next to us. After breakfast, I strolled out onto deck 7 and got goose bumps when I noticed the shamrock on the stack of one of them. Thinking I knew what boat she was, I walked aft to catch a view of the transom of that boat. I was right. It was the USS “THE SULLIVANS!" The goose bumps intensified as I recalled the story of the five Sullivan brothers who INSISTED that they be allowed to serve together and, persisting in the face of a naval regulation prohibiting it, were assigned to the USS Juneau when she was sunk on November 13, 1942 at Guadalcanal. 4 boys died instantly and the 5th son died at sea either from his injuries, a shark attack or exposure.

THEIR MOTHER RECEIVED ALL 5 TELEGRAMS FROM THE NAVY ON THE SAME DAY!!!!

I related the story to several of those on deck with me who were also checking out the destroyers. I was greeted with BLANK STARES of disinterest. I wanted to grab one guy by the stacking swivel, hoist him off the deck and scream that it was men and ships such as that which make it possible for A**HOLES like him to enjoy a peaceful cruise around the Caribbean. Not wishing to spend the rest of the voyage in the brig, I contented myself with muttering "a**hole" as he wandered off in search of another buffet.

And in a sign of the times, both ships had armed sentries posted fore and aft in Nassau, an ostensibly friendly and safe port. But then, Aden was also considered safe at the time the USS Cole (also a Burke class destroyer) was attacked. And I believe that, unlike the guards on the Cole -- and the Marine sentries in Beirut years earlier -- THESE guys were locked and loaded with orders to fire for effect!

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6 posted on 09/07/2011 7:52:51 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
When you see this many captains on active duty getting pulled you know that there is a purge going on. The big question is who is purging who. Is Obama purging the conservatives, or are the old line professionals purging the political appointees now that they are no longer terrified of Obama.
7 posted on 09/07/2011 7:53:27 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

If you noticed the publication that this article came from; the Navy or SOMEONE can’t spell, either.

Stras & Stripes


8 posted on 09/07/2011 7:54:56 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Dick Bachert

Thanks for that post.


9 posted on 09/07/2011 7:56:34 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

*Headline only*

This is simply ‘weeding out’ those who have a backbone and probably are adamantly against the homosexual agenda. (IMHO)


10 posted on 09/07/2011 7:57:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry, Perry/Palin, Palin or Perry, Perry or Palin 2012....Any Questions?)
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To: Dick Bachert
Thank you for your service and also for your amazing tribute. The Sullivans were my grandmother's cousins so the story has special significance to my family!
11 posted on 09/07/2011 7:57:59 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
The U.S. Navy has become a disgrace — get rid of the warriors who are bold, but sometimes make mistakes, and replace them with timid, humorless, cover-your-rear bureaucrats. When war at sea with the Red Chicoms starts, we're going to get our @$$e$ shot off.
12 posted on 09/07/2011 7:58:07 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Something is badly wrong with the Navy...

It's been on the downturn since Gulf War One. Pay no attention to the sitting BIPARTISAN BUFFONS in congress and POTUS ignoring the fact during the past 20 plus years. If anybody wants to do the looking our entire military since 1989 has deliberately been placed on a downturn course. The GOP being the DEMs enablers even as far as Clinton's cuts. For 6 solid years the GOP two house majority did nothing to counter cuts under Clinton.

For six years a two house GOP majority under GW Bush as well did nothing to fix anything. Neither party gives a Tinker D about our military and the numbers show it as well as the policies.

13 posted on 09/07/2011 8:07:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MSF BU

I’m betting there will be an “affirmative action” push to have these men replace with homos. You can bet on it.


14 posted on 09/07/2011 8:14:57 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

He did TWO bad things here. First, he fired on a civilian ship. Second, he fired on a ship that he thought was the target and DIDN’T hit it.


15 posted on 09/07/2011 8:23:09 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I would submit an answer for people to chew on. If you look at the year group for the CO of this ship, probably 92-94 and the average SWO has a commitment of 5 years. That would have allowed his peers the first chance to get out in 97-99 timeframe, when the economy was doing quite well. As a result a lot of talent left and a lot of morons were able to "float to the top", as it were.

The same thing happened in Tac Air several years ago. Because the commitments are longer the year groups are different, but we saw a lot of COs in the fighter community getting canned for cause, and they were some real freaks. A lot of their talented peers had jumped to the airlines when they were hiring in the mid to late 90's. The two Whidbey COs getting the axe for DUI is an statistical anomaly for two in one year, but that and fraternization are the most common cause .

16 posted on 09/07/2011 8:26:27 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Too much social engineering and CYA paperwork to pay attention to discipline and mission.


17 posted on 09/07/2011 8:29:23 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: VanShuyten
He did TWO bad things here. First, he fired on a civilian ship. Second, he fired on a ship that he thought was the target and DIDN’T hit it.

That's true. The big question is how could he have gotten to rank of Commander? This was not an Ensign Parker mistake.

18 posted on 09/07/2011 8:29:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: GonzoGOP

I wondered the same thing when I saw the numbers for this year and last. that said, I don’t know what is the historical norm for ad captains getting pulled.


19 posted on 09/07/2011 8:30:49 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Many years ago I was in a luncheon group that met monthly to talk about world events and to hear special speakers. Among our attendees were Arleigh Burke, Ben Morrell, Dan Galley, once John McCain JR (Senator’s father, then CINCOMPAC), once Middendorf, possible Radford, and others.
Another acquaintance was Capt. Harris, intelligence office for the USS Pueblo.

Where have our leaders gone?


20 posted on 09/07/2011 8:35:40 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Dick Bachert

That’s a great pic and thanks for the story.


21 posted on 09/07/2011 8:40:13 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Dick Bachert

Splendid post. I had heard that story before from my father who also served in the U.S. Navy during the Pacific War. Dad could not relate that story without getting teary-eyed. Thanks for the reminder.


22 posted on 09/07/2011 9:11:05 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Dick Bachert

I am the father of 5. I cannot nor can my lovely bride, insert into our adult children the brutal sacrifices made to put them in the privelidged position they now live in.

History repeats because it is forgotten. Not even video can make them understand the horror of wars fought to give them what they have. What they take for granted and normal.


23 posted on 09/07/2011 9:15:23 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: USNBandit

It’s true. With the drawdown coming the military is looking at finally kicking these people out.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 9:16:25 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Admiral saying they should have been live rounds?

I was aboard USS Laws, DD558, for a 2 week training cruise in 1963.

During gunnery practice off San Francisco, a frantic message was recieved of shells hitting all around a Japanese frieghter. She was 180 degrees away from our target...OOPS!

We also managed to royally PO the air crew towing the 40MM AA targets...we chopped off the tow cable about 10-12 FEET aft of the towing airplane...OOPS!!

After a port call in Eureka, CA, one of our escorts sideswiped a Japanese lumber freighter in the foggy harbor, shearing the escort’s lifeboat davits off one side, among other extensive damage to both the ships...OOPS!!!

A summer cruise to never be forgotten, AND I got PAID to take it! Gotta love the Reserves!


25 posted on 09/07/2011 9:40:01 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: USNBandit

Oak Harbor is a small town. Got to be pretty stupid to drink and drive in that town.


26 posted on 09/07/2011 10:06:27 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: VikingMom

You come from AMAZING stock.
God bless and may mothers be spared sacrifices such as these.


27 posted on 09/07/2011 10:28:28 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: VikingMom

You come from AMAZING stock.
God bless and may mothers be spared sacrifices such as these.


28 posted on 09/07/2011 10:30:32 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks. I cloud up each time I even think about these boys and the price paid by this family — and all families of those lost in these crazy wars.


29 posted on 09/07/2011 10:32:45 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: aposiopetic

Thanks. We need to think much harder before we put men such as these in harm’s way.


30 posted on 09/07/2011 10:34:03 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: liberty or death

Thank you. Yes, our young folks aren’t being taught much of this in the government schools these days. It’s up to US to remind them of the costs.


31 posted on 09/07/2011 10:37:06 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

A Cmdr. doesn’t make a stupid mistake like that — not if he has attained the rank of Cmdr. Of course — a Captian never makes video’s like that Captain did last year either and attains the raink of Captain.... Is our Navy THAT screwed up?!

Still, with so many command officers being pushed out, this looks like a purge of some sort. By whom? To what end? That would tell us alot.

IF it’s the Navy, tightening up the ranks and getting rid of troublemakers that heretofore had been “protected” or “overlooked” for some reason, that’s one thing. HOWEVER, if this is some kind of political or Agenda-driven move from outside the Navy, to put the “right people” in place for any future plans or curcumstances — well, suffice it to say that would be neither welcome nor encouraging. But it’s something We The People have a NEED to know, don’t you think?


32 posted on 09/07/2011 10:49:52 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Something is badly wrong with the Navy...

With douche bags unprofessional leaders like Dan Holloway in charge, I'm not surprised.

33 posted on 09/07/2011 11:04:30 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: Dick Bachert
Thank you! My mother's family goes all the way back to the War for Independence - I have traced cousins who fought for both sides in the Civil War - My grandfather was in the Army in France in WWI - my dad was Army Air Corps (Air Force) - one uncle was a Marine in Korea and Vietnam, another uncle was on one of the UDTs in WWII....I have an entire library of US History just by looking through family and genealogy records!

I also know that my family is not that unusual - there are many people who could cite such statistics and if we remember from what patriots we have descended, we can and will, preserve this Republic!

34 posted on 09/07/2011 11:17:02 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Bump


35 posted on 09/08/2011 12:22:26 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Ubama is purging the Navy of commanding officers who aren’t on board with the sodomization of the military.
There’s a quota for faggot officers now.


36 posted on 09/08/2011 12:26:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Dick Bachert

Thank you so much for your touching post. I know how hard it was for you to mumble an expletive, and then walk away.

My husband served in the Navy during Viet Nam. Though he had considered himself to be career Navy, he resigned his commission 1976 because they were so PC, even back then. We have both come to realize that they are probably the most PC branch of the military.

Sad...


37 posted on 09/08/2011 12:30:03 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Proud Barbarian TEA Party SOB)
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To: twister881
The U.S. Navy has become a disgrace

It starts at the top with those homo huggers Ubama and Mullen.

38 posted on 09/08/2011 12:30:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: twister881

cover-your-rear bureaucrats.

Did you mean “UN-cover your rear ?


39 posted on 09/08/2011 2:57:17 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

What’s bad is they didn’t hit either target...


40 posted on 09/08/2011 3:05:27 AM PDT by brooklin
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To: WoofDog123
I don’t know what is the historical norm for ad captains getting pulled.

When you figure that the US Navy only has 286 warships in commission at the moment, that is over 6% of their captains that have been relieved for cause in a single year. One in 20 is way to high.

However this may not be some diabolical plot by Obama. You have to remember that due to fleet reduction the US Navy has more admirals that it does ships. So there aren't going to be any promotions for a while unless a slot opens up. When that happens you start to see a problem with the management structure. So they may just be taking the current overpopulation of senior officers as an opportunity to "Clean House". They are badly overstaffed in the top ranks due to the draw down of the fleet and anyone who messes up get relieved so someone else gets the slot.
41 posted on 09/08/2011 3:57:05 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
When you see this many captains on active duty getting pulled you know that there is a purge going on.

"In making the determination to discipline Olson, Holloway found that the skipper failed to follow established safety procedures during the exercise."

Removing a CO who almost shot up a civilian fishing boat out of carelessness is not a purge. It's removing someone who probably should not have been in command in the first place.

42 posted on 09/08/2011 4:06:03 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Dick Bachert

Respectfully, I really dislike that top painting. The cruiser represented at the top is NOT the USS Juneau, which was an Atlanta-class light anti-aircraft cruiser (so had three dual 5” turrets forward, rather than the two triple 8” turrets shown on the ship in the painting).


43 posted on 09/08/2011 4:28:14 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: SoJoCo
Removing a CO who almost shot up a civilian fishing boat out of carelessness is not a purge. It's removing someone who probably should not have been in command in the first place.

See my post 41. The USN currently has an excess of command grade officers. They might just be purging the screw ups. A purge, if done for the right reasons, isn't always a bad thing. Purges for political reasons are bad and usually screw up the service for years to come. Purging for performance based reasons can be a good thing, and improve the fleet in a Darwinian manner. Think SEAL training where 2/3 of the class gets purged out.
44 posted on 09/08/2011 6:37:45 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Dick Bachert
Thank you for your post on the Sullivan brothers. I'd get shivers down my spine and a tear in my eye if I saw U.S.S. The Sullivans.

I first learned about them as an insomniatic youth, watching The Fighting Sullivans (1944) on television in the middle of the night.

It's interesting for a war movie, in that almost all of the movie concentrates on the boys as they grow up together and become young men.

The deaths of the Sullivans partly inspired "Saving Private Ryan," and is the subject of the song "Sullivan" by the band Caroline's Spine. The band was offered a chance to play the song on the U.S.S. Enterprise in 1998.

Finally, there's a Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum in Waterloo, Iowa.

45 posted on 09/08/2011 7:12:22 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Scoutmaster
If you've never heard the acoustic version of "Sullivan", you're missing out....

"we regret to inform you that all your sons have passed away...all five, five, five...change your blue stars to gold"

46 posted on 09/08/2011 7:20:27 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: MSF BU

“Surely the new emphasis on embracing the Sodomy will help though?”

It’s sure to make Captain’s Mast more interesting...


47 posted on 09/08/2011 7:31:56 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Axeslinger
If you've never heard the acoustic version of "Sullivan", you're missing out..

Thanks. Is it on any of their albums?

I found this version as background on a student video project:

Acoustic Version in Video Project

48 posted on 09/08/2011 7:42:05 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Scoutmaster
You Tube's blocked here at work, so I'll have to check that out later. But thanks in advance.

I don't think it's on any of their albums. The one I've got is from a radio interview where they played the song live in the studio.

I can't listen to that song without getting goosebumps.

49 posted on 09/08/2011 8:21:08 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: tanknetter

I don’t know who created that tribute to these brave boys but I’m sure we all forgive him or her for that technical error.
Thanks for the information.


50 posted on 09/08/2011 9:24:24 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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