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Why They Cheered
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 8, 2011 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 09/08/2011 9:47:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

[snip]

Williams: Governor Perry...Your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times.

(APPLAUSE)

Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?

Perry answered: "No sir," pointed out that death-row convicts are entitled to extensive appeals, and crisply declared: "In the state of Texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice."

[snip]

[E.D.]Kain implies that there is a contradiction between supporting capital punishment and opposing abortion, as if the establishment of guilt by due process meant nothing....

[snip]

"It's true that all of America's G-7 partners, save Japan, have abolished capital punishment, but the reason isn't, as death-penalty opponents usually assume, that their populations eschew vengeance. In fact, opinion polls show that Europeans and Canadians crave executions almost as much as their American counterparts do. It's just that their politicians don't listen to them. In other words, if these countries' political cultures are morally superior to America's, it's because they're less democratic."

[snip]

There are, of course, reasonable arguments against the death penalty. But opponents are too resentful at their inability to steamroll over public opinion as if this were Europe or Canada to argue their case effectively. One of their most ludicrous tropes is to liken the U.S. to authoritarian regimes that also practice capital punishment. In reality, as Marshall showed, America still has the death penalty because it is less authoritarian than Europe. Thus whenever someone makes that argument, we feel a tinge of patriotic pride. We believe a similar sentiment lay behind last night's applause.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; execution; murder; perry2012

1 posted on 09/08/2011 9:48:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It was a fascinating moment, when sanctimonious abortion supporter Brian Williams cringed at the cheers of the crowd.

That was a California audience, and CA conservatives are sick of people sitting on death row for 20 years in our state. So when we see Texas actually carrying out their executions (after exhaustive appeals, in which the inmate has access to the best anti-death penalty lawyers in the country, and can challenge their case up to SCOTUS), we appreciate it.


2 posted on 09/08/2011 9:54:53 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pretty good stuff from Perry.


3 posted on 09/08/2011 9:55:16 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Kain implies that there is a contradiction between supporting capital punishment and opposing abortion, as if the establishment of guilt by due process meant nothing....

The reason some people cannot see that there is no contradiction is they do not have a grasp of the concept that actions have consequences. They are simply trying to create a gotcha question. The criminal on death role earned that fate thru their actions; that unborn child did not.

4 posted on 09/08/2011 9:57:13 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I laughed. Poor Brian was really disturbed.
Hey Brian, the majority of the population isn’t like you & your liberal friends....the majority vote in favor of keeping the death penalty....SURPRISE


5 posted on 09/08/2011 9:58:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No fan of either Rick Perry's open borders stance or his sorry record on the issue. But he hit a homerun here:

"In the state of Texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice."

I can only wish that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania valued the lives of our citizens as much.

6 posted on 09/08/2011 10:01:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: agere_contra

He kept his head, stuck to the facts, answered the question and didn’t get emotional.

Everything Liberals cannot do and HATE!! I think it is the main reason I like Perry


7 posted on 09/08/2011 10:01:21 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: nuconvert
Hey Brian, the majority of the population isn’t like you & your liberal friends....the majority vote in favor of keeping the death penalty....SURPRISE

It would have been a perfect moment to tell Williams, "Brian, how do you purport to be an objective observer of fact when you don't even realize that this audience reaction indicates that your values are not representative of most people?"

8 posted on 09/08/2011 10:06:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty, my state is putting in an express lane."


9 posted on 09/08/2011 10:06:41 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Vigilanteman
the only way he could have said it better would have been to quote ron white on the issue.

I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.

That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.

They’re trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there’s more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you don’t sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.

Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty … my state’s puttin’ in an express lane.

10 posted on 09/08/2011 10:06:51 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Vigilanteman

He was just channelling Ron White (Some states are eliminating capital punishment, but here in Texas, we’re building an express line. You kill one of us, we’ll kill you right back) but you could pick a worse example on the subject. :)


11 posted on 09/08/2011 10:07:06 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: nuconvert

Cue up the Ron White

In Texas we have the death penalty and we uuuuuuuuuuussssssseeeeeee it. Y’all kill someone in Texas, we’ll kill you right back.


12 posted on 09/08/2011 10:07:10 AM PDT by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: nuconvert

Cue up the Ron White

In Texas we have the death penalty and we uuuuuuuuuuussssssseeeeeee it. Y’all kill someone in Texas, we’ll kill you right back.


13 posted on 09/08/2011 10:07:19 AM PDT by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Drat. Wasted time trying to find the clip at youtube. Just drat. :P


14 posted on 09/08/2011 10:08:16 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Stop killing Innocent Children and we will stop killing GUITY ADULT CRIMINALS!


15 posted on 09/08/2011 10:13:34 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Kain implies that there is a contradiction between supporting capital punishment and opposing abortion...

But not, of course, between opposing capital punishment and supporting abortion.

16 posted on 09/08/2011 10:18:24 AM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: jeffc

FYI, I know that this was implied in the article and not something Kain said. Still, I’m sure he thinks this way.


17 posted on 09/08/2011 10:23:20 AM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

—The reason some people cannot see that there is no contradiction is they do not have a grasp of the concept that actions have consequences—

It’s actually even worse than that. I noticed something back in the mid-80’s that I now see as a strong axiom:

Show me a person who is against the death penalty and I will show you a person that is probably pro-choice. Show me a person who is for the death penalty and I will show you a person that is probably pro-life.

The two groups act on completely different core principles.

BTW, almost ALL of the people that I have met that are both against the death penalty AND pro-life are Christian women. It may be a maternal thing.

And almost every person I have met that is both pro-choice and pro death penalty is, well, kinda scary in many ways. Seriously.


18 posted on 09/08/2011 10:26:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt murdered them...
Perry maimed the rest..
Bachmann spit on their mangled bodies..

Romney threw rocks at them.. and cursed them..

The producers of this event are walking with a limp..

Note: Much to be learned by this.. Hire the lamest dumbest liberals you can find to be the moderators.. Make sure Newt is asked many questions.. and Perry given the mic to respond..


19 posted on 09/08/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: 5thGenTexan
Kain implies that there is a contradiction between supporting capital punishment and opposing abortion, as if the establishment of guilt by due process meant nothing....

The real contradiction is that liberals oppose putting a convicted murderer to death but have absolutely no problem with killing an unborn child whose only offense was being conceived to parents who don't want it.

20 posted on 09/08/2011 10:33:34 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I've tried to think like a liberal, but I can't get my head far enough up my behind...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Remember in the movie Taken, when Liam Neeson's character plugged the bad guy into Paris' electricity and left him, presumably, until they come to turn off the service because the bill hasn't been paid? (And in Paris, wouldn't that be 220 volts?) I cheered then.

I cheered when Brian cringed.
21 posted on 09/08/2011 10:35:16 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: hosepipe

Newt murdered them...
Perry maimed the rest..
Bachmann spit on their mangled bodies..

Romney threw rocks at them.. and cursed them..

The producers of this event are walking with a limp..

Note: Much to be learned by this.. Hire the lamest dumbest liberals you can find to be the moderators.. Make sure Newt is asked many questions.. and Perry given the mic to respond..

***********

It might be more fun to do it the way it’s done now (libs asking questions) than having a panel of Conservatives, since what we have now gives the candidates to zing/zot the media on live TV.

Fun!


22 posted on 09/08/2011 10:38:45 AM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: absolootezer0
I have been talking that up for years. If the evidence is a certainty that an individual did the crime, then 180 days and execute them.
23 posted on 09/08/2011 10:48:21 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Islam is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: absolootezer0

He always makes me smile.


24 posted on 09/08/2011 10:50:45 AM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: GraceG

“Stop killing Innocent Children and we will stop killing GUITY ADULT CRIMINALS!”

Great thinking! Next time some lib tries to pull this “gotcha” on me, I’ll just say “Ok, we’ll abolish the death penalty then if you will ban abortion, I’m okay with that compromise” and just watch their head explode!


25 posted on 09/08/2011 10:58:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In Texas, we’ll kill you back.....


26 posted on 09/08/2011 10:59:21 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am loving this thread for all the Ron White references. While I was watching the debate, however, and the audience erupted in cheers, I was disappointed that Perry used so many words to make such a simple declaration. And "ultimate justice"? Seriously, what was that? It's like he's too timid to use the word "execute" or the phrase "capital punishment". How about "You kill in Texas, we kill you right back". Done. Obama is a decisive Marxian socialist. I'd like to see a decisive Democratic capitalist run against him.


27 posted on 09/08/2011 11:06:18 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I would like, just once, to hear one of these politicians give the real reason for the death penalty:

Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

28 posted on 09/08/2011 11:34:47 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This was excellent. Williams might feel all kinds of self-righteous, but he is a moronic goof, so sure he is better than the rest of us because he supports the killing of innocents who have no access to the appeals process.

The death penalty is an absolutely justified consequence for those who have proven they have no place in our society. They are given far more rights than they ever afforded their victims.


29 posted on 09/08/2011 11:41:35 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Big_Harry
I would like, just once, to hear one of these politicians give the real reason for the death penalty: Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Because, genius, the oposition will respond with this:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[ and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Matthew 5:38-48

So the issue obviously involves the use of contextual reasoning, and Bible quotes alone won't do it - especially with people who reject the bible anyway, and especially since this country is run under a Constitution that specifically does not invoke the Bible. The Founders could have done that, especially in the 1700s, without anyone blinking an eye. But they knew that people needed to work things out for themselves politically without throwing Bible quotes at each other that had the direct force of law.

30 posted on 09/08/2011 1:25:04 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“You kill one of us, we’ll kill ya back.”


31 posted on 09/08/2011 3:25:08 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Permanently Rehabilitated.
Won’t kill again.
Works every time.
Executing a feral human who is convicted by a jury insures that that person will not kill another innocent person.

Brian Williams ought to look into the history of some of these “innocent” prisoners. If any of these feral humans committed the acts they were convicted of on his family, he would be a big time cheerleader for the death penalty.

But he is of the media party. Maybe he should take in one of these unfortunate criminals as a pet project. Hey Brian, adopt a criminal. They aren’t that dangerous right?


32 posted on 09/08/2011 3:32:13 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Talisker

Jesus was not talking about how we treat cold blooded murderers in Matthew 5:38-48, he was talking about how we deal with those that mistreat us personally.

Our system of justice in this country was founded on both “natural law” and “divine law” by our founding fathers, who, unlike some of the more “enlightened ones” that now inhabit this nation, believed in the absolute inerrancy of scripture, and the power of the spoken text.

In this system of jurisprudence, the foundation of laws that deal with the death penalty come from scripture, and our refusal as a country to take those laws seriously has probably brought us a great deal of trouble. I found an interesting scripture to that effect:

Num 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

You can continue to argue if you must, but I am standing on the word of the living God, the same God that our fore-fathers looked to for inspiration.


33 posted on 09/08/2011 5:48:37 PM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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