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Erdogan: Turkey warships will escort any future Gaza aid flotilla
Haaretz ^ | 9/8/11 | Reuters

Posted on 09/08/2011 10:58:57 AM PDT by Nachum

Turkish warships will escort any Turkish aid vessels to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said in remarks broadcast on Al Jazeera television on Thursday.

Erdogan also said that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources from the eastern Mediterranean, according to Al Jazeera's Arabic translation of excerpts of the interview, which was conducted in Turkish.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armageddon; erdogan; escort; gaza; gog; israel; magog; nato; turkey; warships
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1 posted on 09/08/2011 10:59:08 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

If this SOB manages to gin up a war against Israel, does that mean Turkey’s fellow NATO members will have to support it (i.e. Obama’s Amerikkka)?


2 posted on 09/08/2011 11:02:34 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Nachum
They want a war. Erdogan needs to be told in whatever secure manner necessary, that he will be the first to die. Meanwhile, the Kurds need a major infusion of military assistance in their war for freedom against the Turks. And BTW, the Turks must apologize for the Armenian genocide.
3 posted on 09/08/2011 11:03:27 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29

You can’t threaten a muslim fanatic with death. That’s the same as promising him an eternal 72 virgin orgy.


4 posted on 09/08/2011 11:05:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Nachum

Israel needs to step up development of Leviathan. That gas can really transform the country.


5 posted on 09/08/2011 11:06:55 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Nachum

Jeez how scary. I guess we should have let the Turkish army overthrow the democratically elected government when they wanted to. Since that missed chance the armed forces have been purged of all their secular stalwarts and its now firmly in the hands of islamists.


6 posted on 09/08/2011 11:07:49 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: Nachum

Apparently Turkey has some spare warships they want to get rid of.


7 posted on 09/08/2011 11:12:53 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Nachum

This will not end well.


8 posted on 09/08/2011 11:15:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: Travis McGee
“You can’t threaten a muslim fanatic with death. That’s the same as promising him an eternal 72 virgin orgy.

Good point, that does make it more difficult.
Maybe a good Kurdish all out fight for a homeland with Israeli backing would take up Erdogan’s energy. I only suggest this because it doesn't look like the Turkish military has what it takes to mount another coup and restore a secular civilian government in Turkey.

9 posted on 09/08/2011 11:17:09 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Nachum

So the Turkish navy runs the Israeli blockade, prompting military action by Israel, and Obama has a great excuse to side with our NATO ally Turkey against Israeli aggression. Right on schedule.


10 posted on 09/08/2011 11:17:32 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Nachum

It looks like the Turks have a substantial advantage in terms of absolute numbers and displacement of naval units, while the Israelis have some advantage in terms of air power.

Turkish
14 Submarines
17 Frigates
7 Corvettes
27 Fast attack craft and missile boat
220 F-16
157 F-4

vs.

Israeli
3 Submarines
3 Corvettes
10 Missile Boats
58 F-15
25 F-15E
325 F-16

I don’t know what the differences are in training, morale, and technology, but they can only cover for so much.
It would be a hell of a fight - Turks are NOT Arabs. They won’t punch out because the missile warning light came on.

Also, if there really was a confrontation, you have to wonder who else would jump in.


11 posted on 09/08/2011 11:22:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Genoa

Not a chance, too much in campaign donations from Jewish people in America. We would simply provide support for our European NATO allies - leading from behind, as it were.


12 posted on 09/08/2011 11:23:54 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (***9/11*** Never Forget - Never Forgive ***9/11***)
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To: Travis McGee
"You can’t threaten a muslim fanatic with death. That’s the same as promising him an eternal 72 virgin orgy."

How about if we tell them the virgins will be Helen Thomas clones? And no, I'm decent enough not to post a picture of Helen Thomas... : )
13 posted on 09/08/2011 11:25:23 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Nachum

When exactly did Turkey become Syria, except bigger and with NATO membership? Someone?


14 posted on 09/08/2011 11:25:38 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Nachum

Act of war.


15 posted on 09/08/2011 11:26:16 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Nachum; All
Remember during the Iraq war, Turkey wouldn't let the 3rd ID invade Iraq through Turkey...Saddam was thus able to concentrate ALL his forces to he south, and it gave the terrorists time to organize around Bagdad. Turkey should have been kicked out of NATO at that time.

Maybe this, and Libya, will cause us to reassess NATO..maybe get out of it..

16 posted on 09/08/2011 11:27:11 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: Nachum

Israel to Erdogan, “Bring it on, bitch!”


17 posted on 09/08/2011 11:27:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Truth29

The Turks have a long history of oppressing non-Turks - murdering, enslaving, plundering them.

This all gives the lie to the concept of a “moderate” Muslim state.

They are all the same - our enemies - just like all Muslims.


18 posted on 09/08/2011 11:27:56 AM PDT by ZULU ( Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam)
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To: Argus

Torpedoes los


19 posted on 09/08/2011 11:28:07 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Nachum

OHH it is true Nachum I hear this morning on Al Jazeera English news which I get on KCET LA this morning


20 posted on 09/08/2011 11:30:38 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Little Ray

It’ll be a short, dirty, Turkish-LOST War. Turkey has big ground forces, but no common border.


21 posted on 09/08/2011 11:31:41 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Democrats have been OUTFORCING America's jobs for 40 years)
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To: Little Ray

So what Vegas odds between Israel and Turkey

is Vegas taking Israel with the points


22 posted on 09/08/2011 11:31:46 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Nachum

NATO is a defense treaty. We wouldn’t be obligated to come to the aid of Turkey. However, the United States does have a treaty with Israel to give aid to her, if attacked. For example, during the first gulf war. Israel was provided Patriot Missile batteries, along with training on how to use them.


23 posted on 09/08/2011 11:33:37 AM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: Argus

You think all those rabbi’s saying we are approaching Ezekiel 39 are right?


24 posted on 09/08/2011 11:35:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Little Ray
"Also, if there really was a confrontation, you have to wonder who else would jump in."

Yes, that would be the signal for all of the rest of the sharks to attack - Iran, Syria, Egypt, maybe Jordan, Lebanon, and the US in a disguised fashion. That would force Israel to use the equalizer - nukes, and the world will change forever.

25 posted on 09/08/2011 11:35:46 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Nachum

Maybe Israelis need to escort military supplies to Armenia, or to Greek Cypriots, or to the Kurds


26 posted on 09/08/2011 11:35:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: cuban leaf

Gog and Magog, lining up their chips


27 posted on 09/08/2011 11:37:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Little Ray

—Also, if there really was a confrontation, you have to wonder who else would jump in.—

Yep. An Ezekiel 39 moment.


28 posted on 09/08/2011 11:39:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Nachum

I can think of a thousand things to do with pork in this situation.


29 posted on 09/08/2011 11:39:46 AM PDT by BigFinn (BigHat wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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To: silverleaf

Kinda looks that way. Seriously.


30 posted on 09/08/2011 11:42:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: SevenofNine

It is true they are saying it. It is another thing when they do it.

-Also, If they actually have a warship(s)how far into international waters will they go? How close to the Israeli coast will they attempt to try? Turkey gets significant amounts of military aid from the US- how would they US respond diplomatically or financially?

Lastly, once they try to come ashore, they can be attacked at will by Israeli gun ships. Would the Turks attempt to defend a Gaza port?

On the whole it sound like bluster. So far.


31 posted on 09/08/2011 11:45:23 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Lazamataz
This will not end well.

No my friend, it will not. I'm no Mayan calender theorist, but this is my outlook for 2012:

Race riots in the USA throughout the summer, prepping for the election

A major Mideastern war: Egypt, Syria, Turkey, and Iran (all on the same side)

Civil war in Greece

A crisis in the Strait of Taiwan

A thoroughly failed U.S. bond offering.

32 posted on 09/08/2011 11:46:08 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Nachum

—On the whole it sound like bluster. So far.—

I confess that is my take on it as well. So far.

Is this not fairly standard practice in the Muslim world.


33 posted on 09/08/2011 11:47:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Nachum

Breaking a blockade with a warship is only permissible if it is the warship of a neutral nation, escorting a cargo ship to a port, designated by the blockading force for the reception and inspection of humanitarian goods.

Otherwise it is both an act of war, and the Captain of that ship may be tried for piracy, even if ordered to do so by his superiors.

Israel has very carefully set up its embargo so that it follows all international rules of the sea and blockades, which go back over a hundred years, and were most recently revised in the 1990s.

Israel was chastised over the seized cargo ship last time, because they initiated action against it while it was still in international waters, even though it was intending to enter the embargo zone, and said so.

But Turkey will likely find that force projection is not as easy as Erdogan’s ego imagines. Their ships are strategically and tactically outmatched by Israel, and guaranteed, Israel will do everything by the numbers to insure that if Turkey declares war, it will do so as the aggressor nation, which will forfeit any international legal support.

Erdogan would then likely face war crimes charges.


34 posted on 09/08/2011 11:48:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Nachum

You may be right going be interesting if this all bluster or they really going do it

Turkey turning into Islamic very fast they still want join EU someday I don’t think EU would allow Islamic Turkey


35 posted on 09/08/2011 11:50:36 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: cuban leaf

“Is this not fairly standard practice in the Muslim world.”

Oh yes. It is a form of ‘Witty Reparte’ to them. To be expected. Who can tell the biggest whopper.


36 posted on 09/08/2011 11:52:04 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

There’s no way Obama would be out front, but in case of hostilities he would be egging on Turkey from the wings and carping at Israel, doing anything and everything to tie their hands and make them look bad. Liberal (most) Jews in the US don’t care about Israel, and the ones who do care about Israel aren’t fans of Obama and are no big loss to him.


37 posted on 09/08/2011 11:55:06 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Nachum
Q: In the future, why will all Turkish boats have glass bottoms?

A: In order to see the Turkish Navy.

38 posted on 09/08/2011 11:56:28 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation now!)
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To: Little Ray
I don’t know what the differences are in training, morale, and technology, but they can only cover for so much. It would be a hell of a fight - Turks are NOT Arabs. They won’t punch out because the missile warning light came on.

The Turks haven't had a serious fight that they've been in for quite some time, whereas the Israelis are constantly either fighting or training to fight (and always applying lessons from the prior fights to improve themselves). The IAF, in particular, would make utter mincemeat of the Turk Navy, and would likely shoot down a lot of the Turkish air forces that got involved. Just ask the Russian pilots from 1967, 1973 and 1982 over Lebanon - they got shot down just like the Arabs that they were pretending to be.

Remember also that the Turks aren't fighting for survival, the Israelis always are doing so. Further, the Israelis will have lots shorter lines of communication, and their air force will have far longer loiter times than the Turks.

If the Turks really decide that they want to fight Israel, then they had better be ready for what Israel will do to them - Israel isn't going to sit by passively while it is attacked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see massive destruction at Turkish naval and air bases near the Med.

As one American officer said during the first Gulf War, "I'd advise any nation in this area not to f$%k with the Jews."

39 posted on 09/08/2011 11:58:54 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: redreno
NATO is a defense treaty. We wouldn’t be obligated to come to the aid of Turkey. However, the United States does have a treaty with Israel to give aid to her, if attacked.

And you really think Obama will abide by the terms of our treaty with Israel? He might be blocked from actively taking Turkey's side, but he's guaranteed to ignore any obligations to Israel (at least until it's too late to do Israel any good).

40 posted on 09/08/2011 12:00:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: SampleMan

You left out the high point for 2012: the communist thug in our White House will more likely than not get his walking papers in November, and we’ll have a chance to restore America as a free country. I’d say as ugly as the rest of the events will be, getting rid of evil (pathetic and inept but still purely malevolent) makes it a good year.


41 posted on 09/08/2011 12:03:15 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: tacticalogic

Don’t sell the turks short militarily. They are hard fighters and not stupid. They have been part of NATO for a long time, and beneficiaries of that connection in many ways that makes them a formidable threat.

Israel has likely never fought someone as sophisticated as the Turks.


42 posted on 09/08/2011 12:04:09 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Your post is factual and well thought out. There is one glaring problem with it, though. You forget that we are dealing with the evil Jeeeeeewwwwwwssssss. Internationally, logic, facts and the truth seem to fly out the window anytime Israel is involved. Erdogan could be filmed roasting Jewish babies on a spit, and Israel would be condemned for trying to poison him ont eh world stage.

With the islamist lovers in the White House and State Dept., who knows what US reaction would be if Turkey initiated a shooting war. I highly doubt that it would be the proper moral and logical one, though.


43 posted on 09/08/2011 12:10:55 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Nachum
Erdogan needs to be told in no uncertain terms that such a move would be entirely unacceptable to the US and would result in Turkey being removed from NATO, post haste, and the imposition of economic sanctions. Further, that any attempt to breach the Gaza blockade would be interpreted as an assault by Turkey against US interests in the eastern Mediterranean, and would be countered accordingly.

However, I'm sure that President Outreach will silently applaud these Turkish moves against our “ungrateful” ally.

44 posted on 09/08/2011 12:12:15 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Pollster1

To actually get rid of Dear Leader, the election is not enough; there has to be an inauguration on January 20, 2013. That means there has to be a January 20, 2013.


45 posted on 09/08/2011 12:12:20 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Little Ray
Raw numbers are deceiving. A.) The Turks cannot commit their entire navy and air force to the fray. They need to maintain a backstop against Greece et al. B.) The Turkish air force would be operating near its maximum radius with minimal time on target while the Israeli air force would be near its bases and able to loiter and engage targets at will. C.) There are significant differences in force quality with Turkey on the short end of the stick, especially in the air.

If the Turks insist on making a war out of this, they will lose big.

46 posted on 09/08/2011 12:15:30 PM PDT by jboot
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To: fremont_steve

I’ve done a little more research since this post - and someone else had provided a description of the relative forces.

Turkey has a huge advantage in surface warfare combatants, while Israel has a large advantage in the air with both more and higher quality fighters. F15’s versus F4’s ain’t a fair fight.

The Israelis are going to have to cause the Turks to be the first to shoot - after that is taken care of, I suspect their air force will be the deciding factor - but they’ll take heavy losses. The Turkish military knows what they are walking into. They’ve had very long ties with the Israeli military. It would be a major brawl.


47 posted on 09/08/2011 12:15:47 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve
Israel has likely never fought someone as sophisticated as the Turks.

Perhaps not, but I think they understand the letting them break that blockade is suicide.

They will stop those ships.

48 posted on 09/08/2011 12:20:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Ancesthntr

Yes to all in your post 39, but logic and rational thinking doesn’t apply to jihadist fanatics intent on meeting the mahdi on the way to collecting 72 virgins.


49 posted on 09/08/2011 12:21:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: fremont_steve

The Turkish military, bridling under islamic commissars, might take moves to attack Israel as their cue to coup.

Wouldn’t be the first time the Turkish military has “stepped in.” Even after the recent purging of the generals, there are plenty of other officers who understand the score.


50 posted on 09/08/2011 12:23:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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