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The Carson City IHOP Shooter Picked A Target Surrounded By Military Facilities
Business Insider ^ | Sept. 7, 2011 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 09/08/2011 11:09:59 AM PDT by La Enchiladita

When Eduardo Sancion chose the location for his shooting spree in Carson City, Nevada Tuesday he picked a a street home to at least seven military installations and recruitment centers.

Just over a mile away on South Carson Street is the Army National Guard, another mile north is the Nevada Army national Guard depot. Scattered throughout the stripmalls and businesses on Carson St. are recruiters for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.

Sancion pulled up to to the IHOP known to be popular among servicemembers in a blue minivan with a "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker on the back, and began his spree by shooting a woman near a motorcycle on his way in.

Inside he fired at five National Guardsmen seated at the back of the restaurant eating breakfast, killing three soldiers -- then shot seven civilians -- killing another woman.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: carsoncity; eduardosencion; ihop; kelly; mcelhiney; nationalguard; nevada; riege
The fact that Sancion or Sencion targeted military is obviously related to motive. However, notice how quickly the family and the media leapt up to allege the murderer was mentally ill, changing him into a victim too.
1 posted on 09/08/2011 11:10:06 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

Should be in Breaking, its just what we all knew.


2 posted on 09/08/2011 11:15:03 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: La Enchiladita

Wonder if he used Fast & Furious guns?


3 posted on 09/08/2011 11:19:40 AM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: La Enchiladita
Three members of the National Guard were killed when the shooting interrupted their breakfast meeting. Along with 31-year-old Sgt. 1st Class Miranda McElhiney, the other victims killed in the shooting were 38-year-old Sgt. 1st Class Christian Riege of Carson City and 35-year-old Major Heath Kelly of Reno.

...In all, seven people were wounded in the attack. Their names were not released, but authorities said three of them were released from the Carson-Tahoe Hospital on Wednesday.

Maj. April Conway of the Nevada National Guard said one of the three released was a Guard member. That leaves one Guard member still hospitalized, along with three civilians.

Riege, an armor crewman, was known as a fitness buff. He served in Afghanistan from 2009 to 2010.

Kelly was a decorated officer and avid student of military history who was known for his dry sense of humor. He was married with two kids.

...McElhiney, of Reno, was the youngest of those killed. She was an administrative sergeant who had been in the Guard for 13 years. She was remembered for baking birthday, wedding and graduation cakes for anyone who asked and mentoring young women entering the Guard.

4 posted on 09/08/2011 11:20:43 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Jihad THIS!! America Forever!!! Let's Roll!!)
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To: La Enchiladita
Breaking: Nevada IHOP shooter was Mexican national

5 posted on 09/08/2011 11:45:36 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Maybe it is time once again, to ban service uniforms offbase.

They did this in the 80's with all the anti establishment/anti Viet Nam War riffraff/hippies/slugs out there.

6 posted on 09/08/2011 11:46:22 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: La Enchiladita
The fact that Sancion or Sencion targeted military is obviously related to motive. However, notice how quickly the family and the media leapt up to allege the murderer was mentally ill, changing him into a victim too.

A Mexican National with legal passport

Mentally Ill; drawing Social Security Disability Insurance.

Having obtained an illegal automatic weapon.

Drives an hour to National Guard HQS

Someone like LaRaza or MEChA created a Domestic Terrorist

Or was it an act of Terrorism by a Mexican National ?


7 posted on 09/08/2011 11:51:28 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: annieokie
NO.

Maybe it is time to let us go armed.

8 posted on 09/08/2011 11:53:03 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: annieokie

Maybe it is time once again, to ban service uniforms offbase. “””

Maybe it is time to allow all military members to be armed wherever they go.

Nevada is a state that doesn’t hassle you very much for a CCW. It is amazing to me that NO ONE inside that building was armed except the perp.


9 posted on 09/08/2011 11:57:16 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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IIRC- there was an armed civilian in the IHOP who said that when the shooting started and peoples heads started exploding, the last thing he thought about was pulling a gat. I support CCW but sometimes it’s not enough.


10 posted on 09/08/2011 12:03:54 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: ridesthemiles
I saw on TV last night someone in the
parking lot with a CCW
say he was outgunned and did not try.

11 posted on 09/08/2011 12:04:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: fireforeffect; annieokie
I'll second this. You don't run from a fight like this. All of our soldiers have sacrificed to one degree or another for us, we shouldn't expect them to hide what they are when they're in public. Unlike most of us, they've actually earned that freedom. Those who would harm or ridicule our soldiers don't deserve to live, much less live in this country.
12 posted on 09/08/2011 12:06:35 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: ridesthemiles
It is amazing to me that NO ONE inside that building was armed except the perp.

I agree. Nevada allows concealed carry. Even my Ohio CCW permit is valid there. When I read of this incident, I couldn't believe that no one in that IHOP was carrying.

13 posted on 09/08/2011 12:08:45 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: annieokie

Oh no, that’s like saying they are INVITING attack by wearing the uniform.

There is a war going on in this country. This shooting was part of it.

Here in CA, the latino gang-bangers shoot at and often kill law enforcement officers, then flee to Old Mexico where they will not be extradited, due to our death penalty.

I think it has become a rite of passage for the invaders to wage this war on peace officers and others in uniform. Therefore, all the more reason to wear the uniform proudly and, in essence, say: Bring it.


14 posted on 09/08/2011 12:15:04 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Jihad THIS!! America Forever!!! Let's Roll!!)
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To: ridesthemiles
My friends and I talked about that too. The majority of us have CCW permits and we were wondering what would have happened if a couple of bystanders were armed.

I do admit though - despite having my concealed carry permit, I don't carry. I have only had my permit for 6 weeks and still haven't found a comfortable way to carry. It's especially frustrating for me as I'm left-handed.

15 posted on 09/08/2011 12:20:01 PM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: La Enchiladita

There’s not enough soap in this world to wash the blood off Jimmy Hoffa’s hands for this.


16 posted on 09/08/2011 12:23:22 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: La Enchiladita

The killer was an illegal mexican!


17 posted on 09/08/2011 12:29:42 PM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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"""Oh no, that’s like saying they are INVITING attack by wearing the uniform."""

I would much rather have a LIVE Soldier in civilian clothes, then a Dead one in uniform.

They did the ban in the 80's to protect our Soldiers, and a good thing they did, you, I nor anyone else were harmed by that order to ban.

In civies or uniform, our soldiers still know how to protect themselves, if given a chance. In uniform they were sitting ducks, what chance did they have to protect themselves, armed or unarmed?

I say cut the RISKS. It's like saying after a child has been run over, "My kid has a right to play in the street, it's our street", your kid is also DEAD.

18 posted on 09/08/2011 12:54:01 PM PDT by annieokie
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It's like saying after a child has been run over, "My kid has a right to play in the street, it's our street", your kid is also DEAD

I'm sorry, that is not a good analogy. It doesn't pass the common sense test. No one advocates that kids have a "right" to play in the street. Please.

19 posted on 09/08/2011 1:02:24 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Jihad THIS!! America Forever!!! Let's Roll!!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“A Mexican National with legal passport
Mentally Ill; drawing Social Security Disability Insurance.”

Are Mexican nationals eligible to receive Social Security Disability payments?


20 posted on 09/08/2011 1:39:06 PM PDT by texteacher
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uri'el>A Mexican National with legal passport
Mentally Ill; drawing Social Security Disability Insurance.

Are Mexican nationals eligible to receive Social Security Disability payments?

I sure hope not !

But with ZERO as president all bets are off.


21 posted on 09/08/2011 1:48:23 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Oh, but they do and did. I have a friend, who said just that, wanted the cars to slow down, his kids played in the street. I told him the exact same thing, so much for getting the cars to slow down, if your kid is in the street anyway, and can die from fast or slow cars.

Oh yes, there are people like that. Good analogy. These are people who think they are no matter what their right is greater than anyone elses, at the espense of their child or other loved one.

22 posted on 09/08/2011 3:05:08 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: La Enchiladita

It’s really unture to say that the shooting location is “surrounded by” military facilities. “Down the highway from” one major one, and others that a resident might never be aware of is accurate. “Surrounded by other restaurants and stores” is also accurate.

The motive may still be determined, but the geographic location doesn’t tell us much.


23 posted on 09/08/2011 6:06:24 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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