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Huntsman Warns That GOP Can't Win the White House by Denying Climate Science (BARF)
New York Times ^ | September 8, 2011 | EVAN LEHMANN

Posted on 09/08/2011 3:03:16 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Perhaps someone should send Ambassador Huntsman a copy of the study referenced this article.
21 posted on 09/08/2011 3:18:36 PM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Now THIS is a candidate wasting our time.


22 posted on 09/08/2011 3:19:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Yep, out at the fires on Monday, at the debate on Wednesday. Not the greatest preparation for a debate.

That being said, he needs to be well prepared for the next debate and the inevitable "gotcha" questions. There will be more. They did it to Bush 43, they did it to Palin, and they will do it to Perry.
23 posted on 09/08/2011 3:19:38 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Which “Bush doctrine” did you mean, Charlie?

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

He asked Palin, “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, “In what respect, Charlie?”

Sensing his “gotcha” moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine “is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense.”
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Wrong…

…Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed “doctrines” in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.

Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.

Yes, Sarah Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn’t pretend to know — while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/12/which-bush-doctrine-did-you-mean-charlie/


24 posted on 09/08/2011 3:20:28 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (PC)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

When I listened to Huntsman yip and yap about global warming last night, I told the wife that Huntsman needs to run against Obama. (In the Democrat Primary.)


25 posted on 09/08/2011 3:20:58 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
"When you make comments that fly in the face of 98 out of 100 climate scientists, ...

Might as well say "When you make comments that fly in the face of 98 out of 100 witch doctors..."

Michael Crichton got it spectacularly right:

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world.

In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.

26 posted on 09/08/2011 3:21:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: capt. norm
He is a "useful idiot" for the libs.

Not very useful at 1%.

27 posted on 09/08/2011 3:23:41 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
I would suggest Dr. Henrik Svensmark's cloud formation theory and the recent research at CERN which seem to confirm it.

Cosmic rays seed clouds which reflect the sun's heat. A highy active sun means a strong solar wind and fewer cosmic rays thus fewer clouds and a hotter climate. We have been in a very active period and are now entering a less active period.

One of the best names to toss out is Dr. Roy Spencer at the Climate Research facility University of Alabama and friend of Rush.
28 posted on 09/08/2011 3:24:18 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

How in the heck did the good citizens of Utah get bamboozled into electing this warmist RINO?

Its obvious he doesn’t keep up with the CERN news that the sun, together with cosmic rays, are responsible for any global warming.


29 posted on 09/08/2011 3:24:35 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I don’t know, will this be the issue that enable Huntsman to finally break the decimal point barrier and consistent poll at least a full percentage point?


30 posted on 09/08/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Minus_The_Bear; traderrob6; indylindy; jessduntno; TexasFreeper2009; Dan(9698); VRWC For Truth; ...

Good comments from all of you.

My main interest in this article, however, was Perry. The media can find thousands of of characters who agree with Huntsman, but so what.


31 posted on 09/08/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I’m convinced that Huntsman is a Dem mole who is being funded by Soros and other libs to muck up the GOP primary.


32 posted on 09/08/2011 3:25:42 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Bigun
Dang, should have read the entire thread before posting. :)

Beat me to it.
33 posted on 09/08/2011 3:25:42 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Huntsman —— this annoying little Chihuahua should shut his yap on Global Warming especially since there is no way in heck he will ever be nominated. At this point he is running interference for Obama.

IMHO this Chihuahua is looking to pick up Democrats who crossover into Republican primaries. He is also angling for a VP slot he just might get if it looks like he can raise big money. big Mormon dollars


34 posted on 09/08/2011 3:26:22 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Here’s over 700 from the Senate Minority Report. You might want to have this in your hip pocket, Rick; you need to be better prepared.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7

Excerpt:

Highlights of the Updated 2009 Senate Minority Report featuring over 700
international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears:
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for
Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can
speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that
man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely
upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface
system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to
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receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190
studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to
know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC
Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical
chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t
have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on
scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist
Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported
International Year of the Planet.
“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future
warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi
University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace
member.
“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a
fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.”
- Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo.
Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar
interaction with the Earth.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC “are incorrect because they only are based
on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for
example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of
Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of
scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government
Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of
NOAA.
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact,
as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide
scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical
and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics
to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs,
who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American
Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of
Monthly Weather Review.
“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers
higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large
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number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished
without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the
U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian
geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.
“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken...Fears about
man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.” -
Award Winning Physicist Dr. Will Happer, Professor at the Department of Physics at
Princeton University and Former Director of Energy Research at the Department of
Energy, who has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American
Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the
National Academy of Sciences.
“Nature’s regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less
moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary
balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr.
Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was
once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet
is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” - Geologist Dr. David Gee
the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who
has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in
Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself
solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate
changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in
man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC
committee.
“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation
between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports
and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have
distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip
Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed
publications.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting
warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric
physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in
Pittsburgh.
“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give
some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.” -
Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut,
served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)
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“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present
alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major
businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” -
Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the
Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist
knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps
Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda
Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu
University in Japan.
“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is
something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of
the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology
Department at the University of La Plata.
“Whatever the weather, it’s not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate
may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former
Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha,
Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.
“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by
human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly
inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored
more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.
“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government
control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the
Society’s activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack
Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological
Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.
“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The
global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the
millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” -
Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at
the University of Colorado.
“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone
man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data
refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G
LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO. (The full
quotes of the scientists are later in this report)
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This Senate report is not a “list” of scientists, but a report that includes full biographies of
each scientist and their quotes, papers and links for further reading. The scientists featured
in the report express their views in their own words, complete with their intended subtleties
and caveats. This Senate report features the names, biographies, academic/institutional
affiliation, and quotes of literally hundreds of additional international scientists who
publicly dissented from man-made climate fears. This report lists the scientists by name,
country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own
words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies, scientific analyses and
original source materials as gathered from directly from the scientists or from public
statements, news outlets, and websites in 2007, 2008 and 2009.


35 posted on 09/08/2011 3:26:55 PM PDT by justapicker (I don't want the cheese, I just want out of the trap)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“You can’t win by opposing an egregiously expensive waste of money and transfer of power to socialists, even if the majority of Americans agree with you and will vote for you! My underwear is on backwards and my shoes are on the wrong feet! I brush my teeth with strawberry jam! Monkeys on bicycles!”


36 posted on 09/08/2011 3:27:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Huntsman is a plant from the left. Probably secretly funded by George “Spooky Dude” Soros.
37 posted on 09/08/2011 3:27:44 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: bkopto

His father is a billionaire and people in Utah mostly vote for whoever their church tells them to.


38 posted on 09/08/2011 3:28:10 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
AltHeadline:

ESTABLISHMENT GOP ELITE HUNTSMAN SELF-IMMOLATES ON GLOBAL WARMING


39 posted on 09/08/2011 3:28:34 PM PDT by HKMk23 (YHVH NEVER PLAYS DEFENSE)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Geez, I followed you right up to Monkeys on bicycles, then lost my train of thought...monkeys is the cwaziest peoples.


40 posted on 09/08/2011 3:29:20 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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