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In Latest Republican Debate Moderators Carry Obama's Message
Townhall.com ^ | September 8, 2011 | Floyd and Mary Beth Brown

Posted on 09/09/2011 8:26:38 AM PDT by Kaslin

Brian Williams must crave attention. In the latest Republican debate, instead of moderating, he personally debated all the participants. The actual discussion between candidates was more civil and constructive than the endless string of gotcha speeches foisted as questions on the panel by NBC's Williams and his Politico sidekick, John Harris.

Question after question was an attempt to put each GOP candidate on the defensive. More accusation and White House talking points passed from the lips of Williams and Harris than legitimate questions looking to determine the ideas of the candidates and how they differed.

As a result the debate was next to useless for voters.

Newt Gingrich was clearly incensed by the tone. He responded by telling the media duo: "I for one and I hope that all of my friends up here are going to repudiate every effort of the news media to get Republicans to fight each other, to protect Barack Obama who deserves to be defeated. And all of us are committed as a team. Whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating Barack Obama."

Gingrich caught the essence of the Williams/Harris strategy. Ask every question as if they were written by David Axelrod to maximize advantage by the Obama campaign. This debate was less about the primary campaign and more about generating video for Obama ads in the general election.

Sadly, the moderators inflicted damage on all of the candidates. In particular Governor Rick Perry came under blistering attack from tweedledee and tweedledum.

Right out of the box Perry was hammered about the number of new quality jobs in Texas. Williams tried to imply all the new jobs in Texas were minimum wage. Perry's record of job creation was denigrated as consisting of substandard jobs.

Perry responded by listing prominent companies moving operations to Texas that are certainly creating above minimum wage jobs.

Only dolts in the media and Obama White House would prefer no job to a minimum wage job anyway. I bet the 46 percent of black youth that are unemployed around the country would love a minimum wage job. In the Obama economy any job is better than the utopian idea about the ideal job which never materializes.

In addition, Perry was portrayed in questions as being anti-science. Perry is skeptical of the secular religion of radical environmentalists: belief that mankind is the cause of global warming. Interestingly, Perry has science on his side. Many climate and meteorological scientists believe the earth may actually be entering into a cooling cycle.

Next, Perry was skewered for not having more Texans on the government healthcare roles. The moderators repeatedly chastised candidates for being against the healthcare individual mandate; they did this by praising Mitt Romney's past support for the individual mandate in Massachusetts. Ironically, Romney responded by giving an impassioned speech on the dangers and need to overturn Obamacare because of its mandates.

But the most damage inflicted on Perry was for calling Social Security a failure in his book "Fed-up". This was an attempt to portray Perry as attempting to end Social Security and preparing the way for the carpet bombing of older voters in the general election by the Obama machine.

As of right now, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and actuarially unsound as Perry has suggested. It is headed for insolvency. Everyone that passed basic algebra can see the inability to pay the current benefits to the current premium payers in their youth. Money paid into the program today is squandered by the profligate leaders in Washington. Perry has shown courage by pointing this out even when others are afraid to do so.

But Social Security is the third rail, the one that kills your candidacy because over 65 year old voters come out and vote in mass. Younger voters don't show up. Obama and the Democrats working hand in hand with the old line media stars like Williams, demagogue the issue and create massive fear in these older voters. So the program isn't changed to improve it, fix it and hence secure it for current recipients.

At the end of the night Perry said in exasperation, "I feel a bit like a pinata."

But before did, he looked ahead to the other major issue of the campaign, jobs. President Obama, Perry concluded, "has proven for once and for all that government spending will not create one job. Keynesian policy and Keynesian theory is now done. We'll never have to have that experiment on America again."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: davidgregoryswife; msdnc; nbc4obama; notaxes4ge

1 posted on 09/09/2011 8:26:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I only learned 2 things from that debate, that Ron Paul is against a border fence because it will be used to keep us in, and that it’s moronic for Republicans to agree to have liberal moderators at their debates.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 8:29:33 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Kaslin

PMSNBC


3 posted on 09/09/2011 8:29:36 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, every election cycle I wonder if the republican candidates are finally going to stop allowing their debates to be “moderated” by guys who hate their guts, and every election cycle they fall into the same trap like clockwork. Republicans really are the Stupid Party.


4 posted on 09/09/2011 8:32:05 AM PDT by jpl
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To: samtheman

Someone please tell me why....why....WHY would these candidates ever have a debate run by NBC. STUPID!!!!!


5 posted on 09/09/2011 8:32:48 AM PDT by In God I trust
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To: TexasFreeper2009

For this to properly be called a debate, all candidates would receive the same questions and be given the same amount of time to answer those questions and be provided adequate time to articulate rebuttals on substantial points of disagreement. This was just silly. Just another set up job on Republican candidates by water carrying butt boys for the Democrat Party. Who didn’t see this coming?


6 posted on 09/09/2011 8:38:18 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: In God I trust

Rush also asked this question. Why allow moderators who are the enemy? Use Rush. He would help them define their solid points and help showcase how they differ from Obama.


7 posted on 09/09/2011 8:40:07 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Kaslin
the endless string of gotcha speeches foisted as questions

I don't think this needs to be a problem, and Newt has already pointed the way out: Ignore the stupid question and say what you want. Don't let the "moderator" dictate your content, except to use whatever words in the "question" are useful as a pivot point to something you want to say. If they try to call you on it, do it again.

Whether the Obammunist "moderators" finally learn their lesson from this is irrelevant. The point is entertainment. Beating up on the talking hairstyles on national TV is an excellent way to impress Republican primary voters.

8 posted on 09/09/2011 8:44:50 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Enterprise

Before the debate I made a list of the types of questions I thought the PMSNBC moderators were likely to hit him with, and posted the following :


Governor Perry... Many Americans think you are racist, how do you respond to this allegation?

Governor Perry... You have said you don’t believe in Evolution, would you like to elaborate further on your belief?

Governor Perry... You once said Texas should succeed from the union, do you still stand by that statement?

Governor Perry... You wrote in your book that you think Social Security is a ponzi scheme, how can you propose to take away the only livelihood of many senior citizens?

These are the type of questions I expect them to try to “get” Perry with tonight. I hope he is ready, because I can’t even imagine why he or any of them would agree to go to a debate with MSNBC moderators.

as you can see... I wasn’t far off, anyone with half a brain could of seen this coming.


9 posted on 09/09/2011 8:45:28 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: shalom aleichem
Can the candidates ever pick who they want to moderate and have it done on Fox? If so why don't they do that? Even that jerk Wallace on Fox is a “gotcha” moderator and shouldn't be asked to moderate. I'm sick of this crap for sure.
10 posted on 09/09/2011 8:46:39 AM PDT by In God I trust
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To: Kaslin
I'll never understand why, every four years, the idiot Republican Party puts its candidates in a "debate" which is ALWAYS MODERATED BY A LIBTARD! What in the hell's the matter with them? What the hell are they thinking? Why doesn't FOX have a debate with Hannity and/or Cavuto as the moderators?

Why do they do this every four years?????????

How dumb can they be?????

11 posted on 09/09/2011 8:46:39 AM PDT by laweeks (A)
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To: In God I trust
"Someone please tell me why....why....WHY would these candidates ever have a debate run by NBC. STUPID!!!!!"

It happens so often and is so obvious, you have to ask if the GOP party leadership wants it this way.

12 posted on 09/09/2011 8:46:48 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: In God I trust

It is stupid; who needs who more? Do the GOP candidates really need to spend time on a network with a microscopically small audience, or does PMSNBC need to have a candidates forum?

They should snub NBC and let their audience shrink, and appear only on FOX, or some other suitably favorable forum.

NBC needs to air the debate more than the candidates need to debate on NBC.


13 posted on 09/09/2011 8:47:23 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: Kaslin

Blaming Williams or the liberal media is like blaming the berserk chimp or the person who sold it to the fool who took it in and embraced it.
Blame the damfool Republicans who agreed to the setup. Liberals were just doing what liberals do.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 8:47:40 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Your questions were dead on. If they don’t ask them now, they will ask them in the future - guaranteed.


15 posted on 09/09/2011 8:48:21 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Kaslin
At the end of the night Perry said in exasperation, "I feel a bit like a pinata."

Get used to it.

One positive thing about the "debate" is it gave Republicans an opportunity to see which candidate held up best against hostile media questions without flubbing or getting flustered.

16 posted on 09/09/2011 8:50:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“and that it’s moronic for Republicans to agree to have liberal moderators at their debates.”

That was my problem with the debates as well - why does the GOP do this? It always comes back to a discussion of political ideology and never a discussion on the issues.


17 posted on 09/09/2011 8:50:37 AM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: henkster
Would be nice to hold the debate to which the media is invited, rather than the individual media outlet holding the debate and inviting the candidates.

As for moderators (and not inquisitioners), their job is to ask provocative questions, then let the candidates respond so we, the voters, can hear what they think.

Candidates need to take the reins from the media.

18 posted on 09/09/2011 8:52:50 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: henkster
If the candidates have another debate run by a liberal I will not watch. I will also make sure that write each campaign and let them know that they will not receive a dime from me if they continue to do these debates with the enemy.
19 posted on 09/09/2011 8:53:13 AM PDT by In God I trust
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To: Kaslin

Clearly, the fantasy of the Marxist Utopia dies very hard among some on the Left.


20 posted on 09/09/2011 8:57:15 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Kaslin
I'm starting to change my mind about the debates. I was for getting rid of people like Williams and replace them with someone like Hugh Hewitt who knows how to conduct informative, substantive interviews. During the primaries.

But I'm starting to like Newt's approach. Everyone on the stage needs to follow his lead. Open hostility to idiotic questions...and refuse to take them seriously. When an overwhelming majority of Americans support the death penalty, the way Williams framed the question should have been ridiculed by every one of those candidates. The candidates need to go on the offensive and make the moderators defend the premise of the question, or force them to move on to their next question.

The very premise of some of these questions need to be challenged...by all the candidates.

Declare open warfare on the lib media. They no longer control the message. (Chris Matthews admits SS is a Ponzi scheme.)

21 posted on 09/09/2011 8:59:07 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I agree with you completely


22 posted on 09/09/2011 9:18:34 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: In God I trust

“If the candidates have another debate run by a liberal I will not watch.”

Which is why I didn’t. I will not increase the audience of PMSNBC, or ABC, CBS, NBC or PBS propaganda services. It’s not news, it’s propaganda.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 9:20:40 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t mind an adversarial moderator as long as that type of moderating is applied equally in the republican and democrat debates.

Also, the candidates are free to change the subject, refuse to answer, and chew out the moderator.

It’s the candidates’ responsibility to handle themselves well in all encounters with the press. The only situation not in the candidates’ control is a recorded interview that undergoes biased editing before being broadcast.


24 posted on 09/09/2011 9:25:17 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: laweeks

You don’t want to know.


25 posted on 09/09/2011 10:02:37 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: laweeks

You don’t want to know.


26 posted on 09/09/2011 10:03:00 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: shalom aleichem

“Why allow moderators who are the enemy?”

I agree 100%. In fact, I have posted as such on Free Republic before.

I am astounded at who we (the GOP allow) to be the moderators for these debates.

This even extends to general election debates where the moderators are usually those in the MSM. These moderators are about as balanced and unbiased as I am.

When is a GOP candidate gonna stand up and say “I object to the choice of moderator. The person you’ve selected as moderator is anything but unbiased. Is this the best you can come up with?”


27 posted on 09/09/2011 10:24:30 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Kaslin
And people wonder why Sarah Palin has not announced her decision to run for president and then criticized her for it!!! Who is the dummy here?
28 posted on 09/09/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by Datom
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To: SamuraiScot
Ignore the stupid question and say what you want. Don't let the "moderator" dictate your content

I mentioned it before that when debating with a liberal, do not answer the "gotcha" questions. Simply, respond to the question with an answer to the "right" question:

Have you stopped beating your wife, yet? Answer: My wife and I will be better off with Obama out of office.

29 posted on 09/09/2011 2:17:42 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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