Posted on 09/09/2011 1:21:56 PM PDT by Hojczyk
The president of the Chicago Teachers Union says Mayor Rahm Emanuel “exploded” at her during a debate over a longer school day, pointing his finger in her face, yelling and cursing.
However, Lewis, the CTU and its parent union, the Illinois Federation of Teachers were conspicuously absent from Friday’s event featuring key players in passing Illinois new school reform bill. All had been invited.
Duncan took the opportunity to tell a crowd of mostly officials and reporters that “teachers have been beaten down too long” and “I think we need to double the salaries for teachers... Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000. They shouldn’t have to wait to age 55 to make a good living. They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty.”
The teachers union on Thursday filed its first major legal salvo in the battle over a longer school day as Lewis charged that district brass and the mayor had “declared war’’ on the union through an illegal campaign to bypass it.
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i do believe that a good educator is worth the 130k+ salary. that is if they actually educate. The value created by their ability to bring each individual to their full potential through earned success would sustain such value. But that would mean unleashing market forces upon the field and, God forbid, making educators compete.
They are beginning to eat their own. No wonder Daley decided to quit, he knew what was on the way and decided to get while he still could
In a little while Chicago will look like Detroit. People in Chicago like tough/slick/bullies - they ain’t seen nothing yet.
I would like to be in a meeting where this fairy starts ranting and putting his finger in my chest.
Sounds to me like he has been getting away with such behavior for far too long.
Great teachers can't make that because you, Teachers Union, traded that away so you could have tenure for all the crummy teachers. Sorry but if you force us to pay forever for the rotten teachers, we're taking it out of the pay for the good teachers. But hey, it's only fair that everyone make the same regardless of ability (as fairness is defined by liberals), right?
If more money meant better teachers I would agree, but that is not how it works in the real world. The way the system is we just end up paying more money to mostly sorry teachers. The few good teachers burn out soon and end up in another career.
I think great teachers should make the same range of salary as other professionals...but our system weeds out the great teachers so we would have to gut the system and start over before they could convince me they needed to be well paid. Most are overpaid now compared to their worth.
Yes, your comment was going to be mine. Michelle Rhee, briefly of the DC schools before the unions hounded her out, offered the following deal:
1) good teachers could make up to $140,000, roughly double the cash portion of their current compensation; but
2) no more tenure (bad teachers can be fired like a bad mechanic or bad lawyer)
The union response? Wouldn’t even allow the proposal to be PUT TO A RANK AND FILE VOTE.
I'll give the bitch $150K, the moment I get a yearly school voucher for $15K. I hope she's a good saver, because she'll be out of a job in six months...
Good grief! I’ll buck the tide, and say that I, as a teacher, do not “deserve” anything close to six-figures. Give me enough for food, clothing, shelter, and the occasional bag of potato chips, and I’m fine with it; I’m there to teach kids, not pad my IRA! When I’m surrounded by people who make FAR less than I, and who are losing their farms and houses and jobs, I feel rather funny about demanding a “raise” from their taxes (so that I can make 250% of what they make, instead of merely 200%). I see no reason, whatsoever, why any teacher would “need” to make more than $50,000/year... and that would be in an area where apartments are $1000/month!
(The irony is that I switched from a public school—whose kids I loved—to private school [I love them too, of course]; the culture of death promotion by the public schools became just a wee bit too much for me.)
“If teachers were underpaid, there would be no waiting lists for teaching positions. Thousands of teaching positions would be unfilled in Chicago and class sizes would be 100+ due to the shortage.”
That’s right; I loved it when our Governor Christie responded to one of those parasites in a public forum with, “You don’t have to do this”. Turned out later she had understated her salary, which in NJ is already high enough to make most Americans gasp. We have kindergarten teachers pulling down $80K+, for 180 days (8:30-3:00, with time for lunch), and they’re in their mid-forties. They will be earning $100K by 55 (regardless of how they perform), and their retirement packages are killing the municipalities they bled dry for 40 years.
The Asbury Park Press reported all NJ public school teachers’ salaries (as public information) a few years back, and a lot of school budgets failed at the ballot box as a result. Now that we have a 2% property tax cap, you’re going to get screwed either way (but only for 2% per year); all the school budget vote determines is whether your taxes go to the teachers’ unions of the police/fire unions.
As a PhD who has made good, but not big money, let me say that teachers who demonstrate intelligence the way doctors need to (e.g., GRE scores, MCATs) may deserve more money, IF THEY PRODUCE DEMONSTRABLE RESULTS that shows they are adding value equivalent to their compensation.
Vow of poverty, that’s rich. A teachers pension after 30 years, working 200 days a year, would require me to save a couple million bucks. That’s a heckuva nest egg.
Just put some ice on it ................
“They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty”
Here in NJ they are our upper middle class; they always compared their salaries to northern NJ’s financial jobs (many of which have left forever), without ever mentioning hours worked, competition/merit, etc.
Now NJ is being abandoned by hard-working Americans, with the unassimilated dependents and illegals filling the gap. They have no means of funding the current services they “require”, never mind the inherited liabilities caused by the gubmint retirees (most of whom flee the expensive dump they created - parasites leaving a dying host).
“working 200 days a year”
Now that’s rich; here in NJ, they work 180 (literally less than half a year). It would be similar to the average taxpayer getting off at noon every Thursday, and being off every Friday (working 3 and 1/2 of every 7 days)!
“No wonder Daley decided to quit...”
As a prisoner of the fascist state of Illinois, you obviously know that Daly never quit skimming graft. He has a platoon of taxpayer-funded chunky, fat cops to provide security. And Daly’s fat-ass wife has cop limo service to take her on shopping sprees to spend looted taxpayer money.
I’m sure as a resident of the former great state of Illinois, you can add more detail. I yield the floor to you. Cheers.
(This is not a hostile post directed to you. I’m hoping you can provide more details I’m not aware of.)
Privatize the schools.
I'm sure that great teachers will get paid very well. And I'm sure that they will deserve it.
Let the Education System enter the Free Market, and let excellence get rewarded.
Break the shackles of mediocrity.
The schools need less money, not more. In the 1950’s, teachers were paid less but accomplished more with larger classes than they do now. The kids were under control without being drugged, and the parents backed up the teachers. Moreover, after elementary school, most learning takes place due to the motivation of the student (especially in math and science), not due to gold plated schools and small classes.
“Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000.”
For 9 months work? Plus, they would argue that ‘great teachers’ = ‘unionized teachers’.
I absolutely cannot stomach the left.
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