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Religious groups deep in NM driver's license fight
Mercury News ^ | 09/09/2011 | RUSSELL CONTRERAS

Posted on 09/09/2011 4:48:04 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.—Churches and religious groups opposing the governor's renewed push to repeal a law allowing illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses say their actions are part of a larger and growing advocacy effort aimed at promoting immigration reform on moral grounds. Organizations like the New Mexico Catholic Conference of Bishops and the Albuquerque Interfaith were among those in Santa Fe this week to protest Gov. Susana Martinez's efforts to rescind the state law. They argue the measure helps one of the state's most vulnerable populations.

For months, these coalitions of interfaith groups have called on their members to attend rallies in New Mexico's capital city

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; driverslicense; immigration; nm
These churches have become very misguided,they ignore key parts of the bible, these churches act more like they worship a false God, for the one they speak of here, does not condone, document fraud, lying,stealing,cheating, so on, etc,etc,etc.
1 posted on 09/09/2011 4:48:11 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

The golden calf crowd has been around as long as the ones that understand, obeying the law.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 4:53:15 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Once again the leftist mainline churches (Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopals) doing the bidding of their Soros master as they are aborting their own progeny and promoting illegal immigration.


3 posted on 09/09/2011 4:55:18 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: moonshinner_09

Were the many members of the Navajo Way...(the Navajo religion) attending this protest?? Or was this a protest to benefit the illegals who lie to get NM driver’s license?


4 posted on 09/09/2011 4:55:57 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama has made it official now..a white is only 3/5s a person in the US. Diversity wins.)
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To: moonshinner_09

She has a serious conflict of interest now that she has admitted to being the spawn of illegals.


5 posted on 09/09/2011 4:56:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: moonshinner_09

Any church that decides that they want to play politics should begin by starting to “pay their fair share” of taxes. If they don’t want to “pay their fair share”, they need to shut the hell up and stay out of this fight.


6 posted on 09/09/2011 4:56:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Only two things come out of the DemocRAT Party. Fears and Smears.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
So... your reasoning is that the paying of taxes is the action the secures freedom of speech. Interesting. So if my church wants to protest abortion, they should pay some taxes to get to speak out?
Churches do not pay taxes because government has no authority to tax the church.
7 posted on 09/09/2011 5:04:02 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
I left the ELCA for good when they started sponsoring Somali Muslims to colonize Minnesota while turning their backs on Sudanese Christians. Wish I would have done it 30 years earlier. Suicidal bastards.

They always seemed to have time, however, to preach from the pulpit how Mormons were a cult, Jehovah's Witnesses were a cult, Moonies were a cult, anyone who disagreed with their corrupt theology was a cult.

I can tell you now that I'd much rather have a Mormon, JW or a Moonie for a neighbor than one of their damn Somali Muslims, or an irresponsible ELCA moonbat for that matter either.

8 posted on 09/09/2011 5:04:20 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: moonshinner_09
Tax their income, tax their real estate, tax their capital gains.

These churches will then have to face some reality.

I have been advocating this for the last 30+ years.

When politics gets preached from the pulpit or its extensions, that invalidates tax exemptions.

9 posted on 09/09/2011 5:04:52 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Iron Munro

She is not responsible for her dead beat grandfather. The family is not sure of his immigration status because he abandoned the family when the governors father was young. The 1930 census records indicate “AL” in the “place of birth” field. AL means alien (born outside the United States). There is not proof that the dead beat grandfather was an illegal alien.


10 posted on 09/09/2011 5:07:38 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...

(((NM PING!)))


11 posted on 09/09/2011 5:07:54 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (All hail Her Royal Highness Sarah, Queen of The Hobbits)
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To: moonshinner_09

If the Catholic Church ever denies communion to Governor Martinez while giving communion to Nancy Pelosi-abortion my head will explode. Don’t ask me what I think about the Roman Catholic funeral that was given to Ted Kennedy.....


12 posted on 09/09/2011 5:12:50 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: forgotten man
Gov. Martinez fighting voter fraud = immoral

Catholics supporting abortion and sodomy = "social justice"

Sad.

13 posted on 09/09/2011 5:17:04 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (All hail Her Royal Highness Sarah, Queen of The Hobbits)
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To: forgotten man

Of course she’s not responsible for things others did.
But she will still have a credibility problem with some when it comes to illegal alien issues. People will spin it both ways.

The situation is ironic because she has taken fairly strong positions against illegals.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 5:20:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: forgotten man
If the Catholic Church ever denies communion to Governor Martinez while giving communion to Nancy Pelosi-abortion my head will explode. Don’t ask me what I think about the Roman Catholic funeral that was given to Ted Kennedy.....

The Catholic church is just awful on this issue. They pay lip service to condemning those who openly support abortionists, yet aggressively attack leaders and citizens for trying to protect their nation from law breaking aliens.

15 posted on 09/09/2011 5:21:15 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Iron Munro
She has a serious conflict of interest now that she has admitted to being the spawn of illegals.

How do you feel about people whose grandfathers were:

1. Nazis

2. Soviets

3. Criminals

4. Poor

5. Rich

6. Slaves

7. Homosexual

8. Democrats.

Explain why it is SHE who has a conflict of interest.

16 posted on 09/09/2011 5:27:37 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Vigilanteman

Are there many people left in the ELCA? Could you say of hand how many people have left—10%, 20%, 30%? What have you done since you left your church?


17 posted on 09/09/2011 5:30:20 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: moonshinner_09

Fully 37% of my vehicle insurance premiums are due to the cost of having insurance against UNINSURED motorists.

That amounts to over $400 a year for me.

Is the Catholic church going to send me a check of reimbursement???

They are definately part of the problem-—not part of the solution.


18 posted on 09/09/2011 5:31:10 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: moonshinner_09

God’s Word clearly states to obey the laws of the land and these illegals have not. These liberal churches ignore that - so they can take their ‘moral grounds’ somewhere else - they want to reward disobedience to God’s Word and to the law of the land. They have no firm ground to stand on.


19 posted on 09/09/2011 5:43:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: forgotten man
Technically funerals are for the living ~ the dead really don't care. However, Teddy's family paid good money for that one Fur Shur.

They forgot the stake though.

20 posted on 09/09/2011 5:47:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moonshinner_09

No one but no one has a right to a DL. The churches including my own Catholic church need to pick which hill to die on. This ain’t it. If someone said that illegal immigrants should not be allowed to have emergency humanitarian care I would oppose that. But a DL as a human right? Heck no.


21 posted on 09/09/2011 6:03:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Iron Munro
She has a serious conflict of interest now that she has admitted to being the spawn of illegals.

Oh, cut me a break.

The derogatory 'wop' against Italian immigrants was an acronym of With Out Papers.

So are the children of those immigrants 'spawn of illegals'?

Or is that slur reserved for Hispanics from that era?

As some have noted, illegal immigration becomes a problem in a welfare state.

Not in the era of Martinez's grandparents.

22 posted on 09/09/2011 6:04:00 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: okie01

Amen, bud.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 6:04:46 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: moonshinner_09

You are right.

But the Bible also does say


24 posted on 09/09/2011 6:20:17 PM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: moonshinner_09; Presbyterian Reporter

moonshiner_09: These churches have become very misguided,they ignore key parts of the bible, these churches act more like they worship a false God, for the one they speak of here, does not condone, document fraud, lying,stealing,cheating, so on, etc,etc,etc.

presently no screen name: God’s Word clearly states to obey the laws of the land and these illegals have not. These liberal churches ignore that - so they can take their ‘moral grounds’ somewhere else - they want to reward disobedience to God’s Word and to the law of the land. They have no firm ground to stand on.

***

I was pretty sure before this thread that the Bible’s commands to welcome and be kind to visitors and strangers in your land applied to the illegal aliens, and that BOTH:

1) the USA’s laws
2) the illegal aliens themselves

... were wrong.

Now I’m not so sure about #2, since we have so many laws that contradict in that:

1) they are illegal
2) they can go to our schools, get benefits, ...


25 posted on 09/09/2011 6:27:43 PM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: dirtboy
Well said.

BTW, I love the organization entitled "The New Mexico Catholic Conference Of Bishops" which, as of Monday, will consist of exactly 2 people.

26 posted on 09/09/2011 6:35:33 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: cradle of freedom
I'm not really in contact with much of anyone there anymore. It has been nearly 20 years. The people I was close to all left as well.

Some of them joined other Lutheran denominations. Others joined various denominations-- Catholics, Mormons, you name it. To a person, all of them are happier since they left.

I've church hopped myself, mostly at the invitation of these friends, sometimes on my own. Anytime I hear some horse's arse rave about this or that brand being a cult, I figure the brand they are raving most loudly about is probably on the right track because I was in a corrupt libtard cult which spent a great deal of time raving about others being a cult.

I think I can recognize a cult better than any of them. The first sign that a church is turning into a cult is when they start substituting the libtard philosophies of man for the doctrines of Jesus Christ. Sort of like these "activists" are doing in New Mexico.

You want to help the people of Mexico? Fine. Go down there and build churches. Help villages dig wells. Send your missionaries to preach whatever brand of Christianity most inspires you. But don't expect your neighbors and fellow citizens to pick up the tab for those who sneaked in just so you can get your lawn mowed for cheap or fill your pews.

If you want to help those already here, help them get legalized and understand what it means to be an American. Or volunteer to tutor them in English. In other words, use your own time and money. Don't steal it from your fellow citizens. That's what these PC cult churches are doing.

27 posted on 09/09/2011 6:53:32 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Liberal wackos in action.

This is not “church” business; its way left politics.


28 posted on 09/09/2011 6:57:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: Vigilanteman

Some of these church groups are getting taxpayer money to run their illegal alien schemes. Catholic Charities is one of the biggest assistants to illegals and they get lots of federal money. We have to get a hold of the federal purse and pull the purse strings tight, then when the money is cut off much of this mischief will come to an end. Isn’t it infuriating that our own money is going to those taking our country away from us.


29 posted on 09/09/2011 7:45:07 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Iron Munro
She has a serious conflict of interest now that she has admitted to being the spawn of illegals.

So she has a problem because her paternal grandfather came across the river in the 1920's, before razor-wire fences, border patrol officers every hundred yards and half-mile long daily lines at border bridges, and then deserted the family?

Get real. Her family raised her right (an armed security guard at 17), a law school graduate who took on corruption in Las Cruces courts, and won election and reelection as a Republican DA in a Democratic stronghold.

So tell us what her conflict of interest is from events that occurred 90 years ago.

30 posted on 09/09/2011 7:53:24 PM PDT by CedarDave (Hurricane Irene -- cleanup will give the economy the stimulus Obama wants (US taxpayers pay))
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To: Longbow1969

The Catholic Church is really not much different from all the rest of the “organized religions.” Sadly, they have devolved into “businesses” and the pander to those who will give them money or power (or both). While we’re at it, let’s give the Mormons a high five for having Harry Reid as a member.


31 posted on 09/09/2011 9:52:45 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: moonshinner_09

STAY OUT OF THIS, CHURCHES!! Especially the Catholic Church!! What business do they have butting into a DRIVERS LICENSE ISSUE!


32 posted on 09/10/2011 4:41:59 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

———What business do they have butting into a DRIVERS LICENSE ISSUE——

The illegals are their congregants

This is the reason for separation from the get go.


33 posted on 09/10/2011 4:45:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: bert

As a Catholic, this sickens me....I’d like to have them fight against ABORTION like this.


34 posted on 09/10/2011 4:51:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Ping!


35 posted on 09/10/2011 8:38:39 AM PDT by HiJinx ("The wealthy and satisfied do not migrate, they stagnate." ~ Louis L'Amour)
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