Skip to comments.The Next 9/11 — A Nuclear One?
Posted on 09/09/2011 5:22:26 PM PDT by Kaslin
National Security: The Sept. 11 commission stated that our biggest failure was one of imagination. Imagine an Iranian nuclear device detonating high over the American heartland. They're working on it.
On the same day the 9/11 Commission issued its report, another commission issued a report on a threat that could change our world and way of life in ways we can scarcely imagine. It is a real and credible threat, and it is largely being ignored.
The threat is a phenomenon known as electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, and demonstrates why the issue of homeland security extends beyond the need for body scanners or taking our shoes off at the airport. It's why ignoring Iran is dangerous and why a robust national missile defense should be of the highest priority.
This threat to our national security was the subject of study by the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, established by unanimous consent of the House and Senate. Released on the same day as the 9/11 Commission report, few paid attention.
It is a scenario worthy of Hollywood, but it is a frighteningly real possibility. A solitary ballistic missile, perhaps an ICBM launched by a decaying North Korean regime or an Iranian mullah, or a terrorist Scud launched from a ship off the Atlantic Coast carrying the first Islamic nuke, detonates its warhead 25 to 300 miles above the U.S. mainland.
Nobody is harmed or killed immediately by the blast. But life in America, the world's only superpower and largest economy, comes to a screeching halt as a country dependent on 21st-century technology regresses almost a century instantaneously.
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Read the book “One Second After” — a novel. Not the greatest writing in the world, but a very compelling book.
It’s likely just a matter of time. We may stop them a few times, but eventually they’ll get one through.
It would need a hydrogen bomb and a very powerful booster, and it would not cripple the U.S. ability to respond, since most of the U.S. military force would be under the sea or over the horizon from the EMP.
This is why I’m such a Luddite. We are WAY too dependent on electronic toys.
I think the Iranian fleet would sink before they got close enough to launch an EMP.
I’m more worried about the plethora of conventional arms that are pouring onto the Black Market from places like Libya....
But the issue is “respond against whom?” Ultimately we might be able to discover who sent the nuke but that could take lots of time and you would want to be damned sure you had the right people identified.
Follow the rocket course! Follow the ship! We can and do do both!
One of our biggest fears on the “Threat Matrix” threads.
Iran is building missile sites in Valenzuela which will put the eastern half of the US within range.
They’ve also orbited a 60kg payload, which would allow them to put that 60kg anywhere they want.
Or from our own govt.
“If Iran wants to destroy the U.S., not merely cripple it, it would need several hundred bombs and launchers.”
It needs 3 bombs and the ability to detonate them at the proper altitude and location.
“Meanwhile, Iran would be reduced to trinitite.”
Its an acceptable tradeoff for their leaders.
Where the hell is Valenzuela?
Its close to the country where Shavez is the leader.
Remote pilot the falsely flagged cargo ship, launch, scuttle vessel.
Where you think they would target?
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But would Obama have the guts to pull the nuke trigger on fellow muslims?
1 EMP bomb would send a lot of people back to the stone age. And nobody would have a idea what the hell happened.
Don’t need the h-bomb, its not the explosion you need but the burst of energy. I’ve read some sources which indicate relatively small bombs would be adequate if detonated high enough. As you go higher the line of sight extends. The pulse will go out 3000-4000 miles. There are also ways of engineering the weapons to produce a larger pulse.
Most electronics today are extremely susceptible to EMP. I used to doubt this was really a threat so I researched it fairly extensively.
Here is a sobering report - http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp/rp/factsheets/factsheets-htm/fs41elecpuls.htm
“A 1.4 Megaton bomb launched about 250 miles above Kansas would destroy most of the electronics that were not protected in the entire Continental United States. “
In the book “Lights Out”, a Saudi king uses one of his super tankers, fills it with sand so it appears it is full of crude oil heading to the US for a scheduled delivery. He has two scuds on board. When the tanker gets off the coast of the US, they erect the missles launchers and send off 2 scuds to be detonated 300 miles above the US to set a major EMP in motion. The tanker is scuddled (sank) by the crew shortly after. If that played out..even if our subs counter-attacked, what good would it do us ? And without proof of the tanker, who would we go after? Instant 1800s. But that could never happen to us, could it ? Sheriff Joe Biden or maybe FEMA would take care of us...LOL. It’s going to take a good 15 years to replace the World Trade Centers. What would it take to correct a national disaster?
Last time I saw him, he was in the Dodgers dugout after a game.
Why do you think they would send a fleet?
It would only 1 missle.
It would be launched from a single small freighter or fishing boat 200 miles out to sea from the east coast.
Then BAM, instant stone age!
No, ONE EMP device would do it quite efficiently.
Equally spaced, 100,000- 200,000 feet above North America.
I have to agree with you about our dependency. Meanwhile, even the sun could put out a solar flare and get us whacked out for awhile. There is something to be said for at least having stuff that works without the new technology.
Please no "rocketeering" !
It was too stupid the first time.
A 1.4 Megaton bomb launched about 250 miles above Kansas would destroy most of the electronics that were not protected in the entire Continental United States.
Launched???... don’t you mean detonated?
That was a quote from a Washington State report. I would assume they mean detonated.
Its an acceptable tradeoff for their leaders.
Unlike other nuclear powers, the mullahs want to be incinerated if it means their “12th imam” crawls out of the well.
Even the Soviet Union was never that nuts. Castro and Guevara wanted to commandeer the missiles in Cuba, and that scared the crap out of Khruschev - the real reasonthe missiles were pulled out. Maybe the Chinese would be crazy enough, calling the loss of a few hundred million of their own population acceptable (a thought publically express by one of their generals BTW). That could be overridden.
But still that leaves the mad mullahs (maybe with the civilians looking to send them to Evin Prison), or Lil Kim gets depressed and ronery.
A post-apocalyptic EMP America was the premise of “Dark Angel”.
It brought us the very shapely Jessica Alba.
I always try to look on the bright side.
Yes. It bothers me that everyone is talking about our military capabilities as if they’ve forgotten that ten years ago, a bunch of goons with box-cutters took out the WTC. What we have to keep in mind is their ability to sneak in under our guard and strike from within in ways that are so primitive it wouldn’t occur to us.
Doesn’t it need to be launched first and then when the correct altitude is reached it would be detonated?
Exactly! You wouldn’t need to “launch” it from 250 miles up. That is where you would “detonate” it from.
I realize where the quote came from, and you posted it to make a point with no correction.
You’re right. A visa and a plane ticket was about all that was required. And we still leave the door open to Islamic immigration.
“I realize where the quote came from, and you posted it to make a point with no correction.”
Generally when I post a quote I don’t change it. Your nitpickin and its an asinine argument.
I read it just recently. Very scary scenario. We should take this very, very seriously.
Assume freighter launch from open sea off coast or body of water. Positional accuracy is not that important for EMP attack. Target:
1) Philadelphia - hits northeast rather hard, is accessible from Atlantic.
2) Southern California - much of west coast, accessible from Pacific
3) Chicago - gets midwest, accessible from Great Lakes
Depending on yields and altitudes, this may leave out Seattle, Texas, and Gulf Coast. But it covers the bulk of the population and where they live. Military targets are ignored as they are generally hardened. Most of electric grid is down for a while.
Just a SWAG based on an atlas...
So who asked you to change the quote?
You seem to have a problem with cognition.
Exactly. Sure, we could trace the trajectory back to a ship, or whatever. But whose ship is it?
There are entities that want to see the USA destroyed. Iran, for example.
But there are also entities that would like to see the USA blame, then destroy, Iran.
And there are also entities that would like to see the USA and Iran destroy each other.
Again, we see the tragedy of Bush II not putting us on a war footing right after 9/11. We could have, and should have, completely crushed Al Qaeda wherever it was found, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, wherever. And the world would have applauded.
But Bush II went for nation-building instead.
Sorry for the rant, but it's a very emotional thing for me.
You've got a VIVID imagination, don't you?
NO cheers, unfortunately.