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The Next 9/11 A Nuclear One?
IBD Editorials ^ | September 9, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2011 5:22:26 PM PDT by Kaslin

National Security: The Sept. 11 commission stated that our biggest failure was one of imagination. Imagine an Iranian nuclear device detonating high over the American heartland. They're working on it.

On the same day the 9/11 Commission issued its report, another commission issued a report on a threat that could change our world and way of life in ways we can scarcely imagine. It is a real and credible threat, and it is largely being ignored.

The threat is a phenomenon known as electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, and demonstrates why the issue of homeland security extends beyond the need for body scanners or taking our shoes off at the airport. It's why ignoring Iran is dangerous and why a robust national missile defense should be of the highest priority.

This threat to our national security was the subject of study by the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack, established by unanimous consent of the House and Senate. Released on the same day as the 9/11 Commission report, few paid attention.

It is a scenario worthy of Hollywood, but it is a frighteningly real possibility. A solitary ballistic missile, perhaps an ICBM launched by a decaying North Korean regime or an Iranian mullah, or a terrorist Scud launched from a ship off the Atlantic Coast carrying the first Islamic nuke, detonates its warhead 25 to 300 miles above the U.S. mainland.

Nobody is harmed or killed immediately by the blast. But life in America, the world's only superpower and largest economy, comes to a screeching halt as a country dependent on 21st-century technology regresses almost a century instantaneously.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 12thimam; 911; 91101; bible; emp; globaljihad; gwot; ibd; iran; islam; jihad; nuclearattack; nucleariran; obamalateral; onesecondafter; prep; preppers; prophecy; sept11; september11; survival; technology; terrorism; venezuela; waronterror; worldwithoutamerica; wot
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1 posted on 09/09/2011 5:22:27 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Read the book “One Second After” — a novel. Not the greatest writing in the world, but a very compelling book.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 5:24:36 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Kaslin

It’s likely just a matter of time. We may stop them a few times, but eventually they’ll get one through.


3 posted on 09/09/2011 5:28:58 PM PDT by Ramius (Or getrsonally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Kaslin

It would need a hydrogen bomb and a very powerful booster, and it would not cripple the U.S. ability to respond, since most of the U.S. military force would be under the sea or over the horizon from the EMP.


4 posted on 09/09/2011 5:31:48 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Kaslin

This is why I’m such a Luddite. We are WAY too dependent on electronic toys.


5 posted on 09/09/2011 5:32:31 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Kaslin

I think the Iranian fleet would sink before they got close enough to launch an EMP.


6 posted on 09/09/2011 5:34:21 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Kaslin
It's the same sort of fear that existed in the 1930s with the introduction of large bombers. The bomber would always get through, but it would not hit the target it was supposed to hit. It's the same thing with this fear. If Iran wants to destroy the U.S., not merely cripple it, it would need several hundred bombs and launchers. Meanwhile, Iran would be reduced to trinitite.
7 posted on 09/09/2011 5:34:21 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m more worried about the plethora of conventional arms that are pouring onto the Black Market from places like Libya....


8 posted on 09/09/2011 5:35:09 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: GAB-1955

But the issue is “respond against whom?” Ultimately we might be able to discover who sent the nuke but that could take lots of time and you would want to be damned sure you had the right people identified.


9 posted on 09/09/2011 5:35:50 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: NonValueAdded

Follow the rocket course! Follow the ship! We can and do do both!


10 posted on 09/09/2011 5:38:41 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Cindy; Velveeta; WestCoastGal; LucyT; MamaDearest

One of our biggest fears on the “Threat Matrix” threads.


11 posted on 09/09/2011 5:40:09 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: mountainlion; All

Iran is building missile sites in Valenzuela which will put the eastern half of the US within range.

They’ve also orbited a 60kg payload, which would allow them to put that 60kg anywhere they want.


12 posted on 09/09/2011 5:42:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bean Counter

Or from our own govt.


13 posted on 09/09/2011 5:43:26 PM PDT by certrtwngnut
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To: GAB-1955

“If Iran wants to destroy the U.S., not merely cripple it, it would need several hundred bombs and launchers.”

It needs 3 bombs and the ability to detonate them at the proper altitude and location.

“Meanwhile, Iran would be reduced to trinitite.”

Its an acceptable tradeoff for their leaders.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 5:44:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Where the hell is Valenzuela?


15 posted on 09/09/2011 5:45:20 PM PDT by certrtwngnut
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To: Jerrybob
Yes it is. The rather banal writing adds to the impact of a pretty detailed description of the US returning to a circa 1900 technology base.
16 posted on 09/09/2011 5:45:40 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Kaslin
Even if Iran didn't use a domestically developed system, it has been reported that Russia sells a “missile in a box” system that could be adapted. As I remember this system, it is something like a scud in a cargo container. Such a system could get off the US coast easily. The real issue is when Iran has a warhead that is sufficiently miniaturized that could be fitted to such a delivery system.
17 posted on 09/09/2011 5:47:52 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: driftdiver
I have heard glowing reports on our reprisals not to mention defense.
18 posted on 09/09/2011 5:47:52 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: certrtwngnut

Its close to the country where Shavez is the leader.


19 posted on 09/09/2011 5:48:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Truth29

Remote pilot the falsely flagged cargo ship, launch, scuttle vessel.


20 posted on 09/09/2011 5:51:28 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: driftdiver
Three H-bombs. Fission bombs won't have the boost.

Where you think they would target?

21 posted on 09/09/2011 5:53:35 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Thanks for the ping RR and a blessed weekend to you.

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22 posted on 09/09/2011 5:57:07 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: GAB-1955

But would Obama have the guts to pull the nuke trigger on fellow muslims?
1 EMP bomb would send a lot of people back to the stone age. And nobody would have a idea what the hell happened.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 5:58:28 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Kaslin
if it ever comes to pass, we'll be playing Cowboys and Goathumpers within 24hrs...
24 posted on 09/09/2011 5:59:16 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GAB-1955

Don’t need the h-bomb, its not the explosion you need but the burst of energy. I’ve read some sources which indicate relatively small bombs would be adequate if detonated high enough. As you go higher the line of sight extends. The pulse will go out 3000-4000 miles. There are also ways of engineering the weapons to produce a larger pulse.

Most electronics today are extremely susceptible to EMP. I used to doubt this was really a threat so I researched it fairly extensively.

Here is a sobering report - http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp/rp/factsheets/factsheets-htm/fs41elecpuls.htm

“A 1.4 Megaton bomb launched about 250 miles above Kansas would destroy most of the electronics that were not protected in the entire Continental United States. “


25 posted on 09/09/2011 6:01:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mountainlion

In the book “Lights Out”, a Saudi king uses one of his super tankers, fills it with sand so it appears it is full of crude oil heading to the US for a scheduled delivery. He has two scuds on board. When the tanker gets off the coast of the US, they erect the missles launchers and send off 2 scuds to be detonated 300 miles above the US to set a major EMP in motion. The tanker is scuddled (sank) by the crew shortly after. If that played out..even if our subs counter-attacked, what good would it do us ? And without proof of the tanker, who would we go after? Instant 1800s. But that could never happen to us, could it ? Sheriff Joe Biden or maybe FEMA would take care of us...LOL. It’s going to take a good 15 years to replace the World Trade Centers. What would it take to correct a national disaster?


26 posted on 09/09/2011 6:05:11 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: certrtwngnut

Last time I saw him, he was in the Dodgers dugout after a game.


27 posted on 09/09/2011 6:05:17 PM PDT by halfright ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Je)
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To: GAB-1955
Follow the rocket course! Follow the ship! We can and do do both!

Uh, huh.


28 posted on 09/09/2011 6:05:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: mountainlion

Why do you think they would send a fleet?

It would only 1 missle.

It would be launched from a single small freighter or fishing boat 200 miles out to sea from the east coast.

Then BAM, instant stone age!


29 posted on 09/09/2011 6:07:22 PM PDT by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: GAB-1955
If Iran wants to destroy the U.S., not merely cripple it, it would need several hundred bombs and launchers.

No, ONE EMP device would do it quite efficiently.

30 posted on 09/09/2011 6:07:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: GAB-1955
Where you think they would target?

Equally spaced, 100,000- 200,000 feet above North America.

31 posted on 09/09/2011 6:09:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I have to agree with you about our dependency. Meanwhile, even the sun could put out a solar flare and get us whacked out for awhile. There is something to be said for at least having stuff that works without the new technology.


32 posted on 09/09/2011 6:11:34 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: kennyboy509

Bingo !


33 posted on 09/09/2011 6:11:43 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: Carry_Okie
No!

Please no "rocketeering" !

It was too stupid the first time.

34 posted on 09/09/2011 6:12:13 PM PDT by Dagnabitt
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To: driftdiver

“A 1.4 Megaton bomb launched about 250 miles above Kansas would destroy most of the electronics that were not protected in the entire Continental United States. “

Launched???... don’t you mean detonated?


35 posted on 09/09/2011 6:24:41 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: Principle Over Politics

That was a quote from a Washington State report. I would assume they mean detonated.


36 posted on 09/09/2011 6:25:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Its an acceptable tradeoff for their leaders.

Unlike other nuclear powers, the mullahs want to be incinerated if it means their “12th imam” crawls out of the well.
Even the Soviet Union was never that nuts. Castro and Guevara wanted to commandeer the missiles in Cuba, and that scared the crap out of Khruschev - the real reasonthe missiles were pulled out. Maybe the Chinese would be crazy enough, calling the loss of a few hundred million of their own population acceptable (a thought publically express by one of their generals BTW). That could be overridden.
But still that leaves the mad mullahs (maybe with the civilians looking to send them to Evin Prison), or Lil Kim gets depressed and ronery.


37 posted on 09/09/2011 6:26:59 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Jerrybob
Read the book “One Second After” — a novel. Not the greatest writing in the world, but a very compelling book.

Agreed, I'm reading it now.
38 posted on 09/09/2011 6:27:25 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin

A post-apocalyptic EMP America was the premise of “Dark Angel”.
It brought us the very shapely Jessica Alba.

I always try to look on the bright side.


39 posted on 09/09/2011 6:28:08 PM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: midway1

Yes. It bothers me that everyone is talking about our military capabilities as if they’ve forgotten that ten years ago, a bunch of goons with box-cutters took out the WTC. What we have to keep in mind is their ability to sneak in under our guard and strike from within in ways that are so primitive it wouldn’t occur to us.


40 posted on 09/09/2011 6:29:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Principle Over Politics

Doesn’t it need to be launched first and then when the correct altitude is reached it would be detonated?


41 posted on 09/09/2011 6:29:50 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: midway1

Exactly! You wouldn’t need to “launch” it from 250 miles up. That is where you would “detonate” it from.


42 posted on 09/09/2011 6:36:43 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: driftdiver

I realize where the quote came from, and you posted it to make a point with no correction.


43 posted on 09/09/2011 6:39:03 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: A_perfect_lady

You’re right. A visa and a plane ticket was about all that was required. And we still leave the door open to Islamic immigration.


44 posted on 09/09/2011 6:42:59 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Principle Over Politics

“I realize where the quote came from, and you posted it to make a point with no correction.”

Generally when I post a quote I don’t change it. Your nitpickin and its an asinine argument.


45 posted on 09/09/2011 6:42:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jerrybob

I read it just recently. Very scary scenario. We should take this very, very seriously.


46 posted on 09/09/2011 6:53:03 PM PDT by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: GAB-1955

Assume freighter launch from open sea off coast or body of water. Positional accuracy is not that important for EMP attack. Target:

1) Philadelphia - hits northeast rather hard, is accessible from Atlantic.
2) Southern California - much of west coast, accessible from Pacific
3) Chicago - gets midwest, accessible from Great Lakes

Depending on yields and altitudes, this may leave out Seattle, Texas, and Gulf Coast. But it covers the bulk of the population and where they live. Military targets are ignored as they are generally hardened. Most of electric grid is down for a while.

Just a SWAG based on an atlas...


47 posted on 09/09/2011 6:59:09 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: driftdiver

So who asked you to change the quote?

You seem to have a problem with cognition.


48 posted on 09/09/2011 7:19:07 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: NonValueAdded
But the issue is “respond against whom?”

Exactly. Sure, we could trace the trajectory back to a ship, or whatever. But whose ship is it?

There are entities that want to see the USA destroyed. Iran, for example.

But there are also entities that would like to see the USA blame, then destroy, Iran.

And there are also entities that would like to see the USA and Iran destroy each other.

Again, we see the tragedy of Bush II not putting us on a war footing right after 9/11. We could have, and should have, completely crushed Al Qaeda wherever it was found, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, wherever. And the world would have applauded.

But Bush II went for nation-building instead.

Sorry for the rant, but it's a very emotional thing for me.

49 posted on 09/09/2011 7:25:02 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
You mean like seeding a Kenyan Indonesian Muslim Marxist Black-Panther-type nutcase into the office of the Presidency? While the GOP candidate who was a POW tells us we have nothing to fear from him?

You've got a VIVID imagination, don't you?

NO cheers, unfortunately.

50 posted on 09/09/2011 7:33:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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