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The 9/11 victims America wants to forget: The 200 jumpers who flung themselves from the Twin Towers
Daily Mail ^ | 9/9/11 | Tom Leonard

Posted on 09/09/2011 6:26:42 PM PDT by Nachum

Almost all of them jumped alone, although eyewitnesses talked of a couple who held hands as they fell. One woman, in a final act of modesty, appeared to be holding down her skirt. Others tried to make parachutes out of curtains or tablecloths, only to have them wrenched from their grip by the force of their descent. The fall was said to take about ten seconds. It would vary according to the body position and how long it took to reach terminal velocity — around 125mph in most cases, but if someone fell head down with their body straight, as

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Full title: The 9/11 victims America wants to forget: The 200 jumpers who flung themselves from the Twin Towers who have been 'airbrushed from history'
1 posted on 09/09/2011 6:26:45 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I think I need a total news blackout this weekend. I don’t have tv. So it just means no news on the net. I can’t take this stuff.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 6:30:17 PM PDT by Huck (If you are in a union, then bow to your COMMIE masters.)
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To: Huck

As will I. I will spend my time watching my copy of “Band of Brothers”. Somehow that always helps.


3 posted on 09/09/2011 6:32:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: Nachum
And in this country of intense religious fervor, many believe that to be a ‘jumper’ was to choose suicide rather than accept the fate of God — and suicide in whatever circumstances is considered shameful or, indeed, a sin that will send you to Hell.

Anti-religion bigotry claptrap.

They faced certain death either way.

When the flames get close enough, you're only choice is to jump.

Nobody can just stand there while their flesh is burning.

Escaping flames is not suicide, and it's not the "easy way out."

There was no "easy way out."

5 posted on 09/09/2011 6:35:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: momtothree
Did they worry that they wouldn’t go to heaven since it was a suicide?

Your a real nice poster Id tell you where to go but I don't want to get the boot

6 posted on 09/09/2011 6:36:01 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: Nachum

Those images are burned into my brain. I will never forget seeing the bodies fall. Horrible doesn’t begin to describe it.


7 posted on 09/09/2011 6:36:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Nachum

Watching people jump from 20 stories and up was the most horrific part of 9-11.


8 posted on 09/09/2011 6:36:20 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Nachum

I don’t want them forgotten, I want them avenged.


9 posted on 09/09/2011 6:39:35 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: Nachum

“And in this country of intense religious fervour, many believe that to be a ‘jumper’ was to choose suicide rather than accept the fate of God — and suicide in whatever circumstances is considered shameful or, indeed, a sin that will send you to Hell.”

These people were murdered just as plainly as if they had stayed and burned to death. That they were going to die was not in question. The only question was in what manner. One last choice in life, breathing clean, clear air or suffering the flames inflicted upon our national soul by followers of a murderous cult of death.

How anyone can fault them for their choice is beyond my understanding. Until we are faced with the same horrible choices, we cannot know how we would choose our last moments. I doubt that I would choose to stay and burn to death. I believe that I would say one last prayer to my God along the lines of asking forgiveness, and that He take my soul into His loving embrace. Then I believe that I would step off the ledge.

I pray that these jumpers had that relationship with the one true and living God and had the time and prescence of mind to say a prayer before making one of the most horrible choices that anyone could be faced with.

God Bless the 9/11 families.


10 posted on 09/09/2011 6:39:39 PM PDT by Grunthor (Perry. Because in your heart you know he's right.)
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To: al baby

You completely misunderstood what I meant. My point is how traumatic thoughts must have been for the people who had to do this. In no way, shape or form am I saying that they wouldn’t go to heaven... if you read my one line hoping/praying that they jumped and then they were in heaven and never felt any sort of pain.

I apologize if I wasn’t clear. My point was completely misunderstood by you and I hope no other FR misunderstands it as well. I am certain that thoughts of all sorts must have swirled in their minds before they jumped and that was agonizing.


11 posted on 09/09/2011 6:39:47 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Nachum
But there are other, more complicated, reasons. In the aftermath of this attack on America’s sovereign territory — a period of intense patriotism — some considered that to choose to die rather than be killed showed a lack of courage. And in this country of intense religious fervour, many believe that to be a ‘jumper’ was to choose suicide rather than accept the fate of God — and suicide in whatever circumstances is considered shameful or, indeed, a sin that will send you to Hell

Good grief. Jumping out of building that is on fire is not suicide. This author is friggin nuts and is just using this as some feeble attempt to bash Christians. It is also an insult to these poor victims.

12 posted on 09/09/2011 6:40:26 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree. It’s NOT suicide because they didn’t have a choice.


13 posted on 09/09/2011 6:40:45 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Nachum

I’m not forgetting.

Nor do I wish to.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 6:40:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: al baby; momtothree

I do not believe that mom mean’t anything derogatory by her question.


15 posted on 09/09/2011 6:41:17 PM PDT by Grunthor (Perry. Because in your heart you know he's right.)
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To: momtothree
Calling it "suicide" is patently ridiculous.

Do you have any idea how people react when a fire is coming at them?

You're like a real-life combination of the Scarecrow and the Tin Man.

16 posted on 09/09/2011 6:41:46 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Again... I am sorry I was misunderstood. I don’t think they had any choice whatsoever. My point was I think the thoughts in their own minds before jumping had to just be agonizing and fearful. I didn’t structure the sentence correctly and for that I apologize.


17 posted on 09/09/2011 6:44:50 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Nachum

As a professional Firefighter for 25 years I do not call myself an expert,but when Mr. Red gets behind your ass there isn’t a decision to be made. You are going. You cannot stay, It reach’s a point where you go. It isn’t suicide, it is escape, you take it because you can no longer stay.You must move.If the window is the only move you make it.There is no shame in it.

The shame is for people who weren’t there to make any statement at all about why these people left. They left because the spot they were in was untenable. Stick you hand on the stove’s burner, and see. You will move it, believe me.


18 posted on 09/09/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum

It never even occurred to me that anyone would judge those who jumped. It wasn’t really “suicide,” I mean, they were going to die either way. It was just a matter of fall or be burned. How can someone judge a person who was given the choice Fall or Burn and picked Fall?


19 posted on 09/09/2011 6:45:05 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: momtothree

I know you are taking it on the chin, but I understand where you are coming from. Hang in.


20 posted on 09/09/2011 6:45:16 PM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: momtothree

Did they worry that they wouldn’t go to heaven since it was a suicide?


Suicide? Are you drunk or smoking something?


21 posted on 09/09/2011 6:46:10 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: momtothree

I didn’t structure the sentence correctly and for that I apologize.


I apologize to you for my post —# 21.


22 posted on 09/09/2011 6:47:43 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Nachum

They can try to airbrush all they want, they can’t destroy the truth. All their pathetic attempts at appeasement will backfire. I will NEVER forget those images, watching innocent people die is something that can’t be unseen.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 6:48:20 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Intense religious fervor”? Not where I live.

These apparently a-religious Brits seem to think we’re so medieval - and apparently using such hyperbole, about on par with the jackasses of the Religion of Cruelty.


24 posted on 09/09/2011 6:48:27 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Nachum

“But there are other, more complicated, reasons. In the aftermath of this attack on America’s sovereign territory — a period of intense patriotism — some considered that to choose to die rather than be killed showed a lack of courage.”

I’ve never heard that.


25 posted on 09/09/2011 6:48:27 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: momtothree

It’s amazing how many Freepers make an effort to take offense as an opportunity to bash other Freepers. Venomous jerks is what they are, more the DU type than our type. It’s clear you meant nothing derogatory. Some people are just hyenas.


26 posted on 09/09/2011 6:48:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Nachum

When KSM meets his end; he should have to choose: the flames or the fall. Nothing else will do.


27 posted on 09/09/2011 6:49:19 PM PDT by joelt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BTW, wouldn’t it have been a desperate hope that they would survive instead of burn/choke?


28 posted on 09/09/2011 6:49:28 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: momtothree

Hi gal - I think the ghouls are out tonight and it’s not even Halloween. Your post wasn’t hard to understand at all. How many of us didn’t have emotions that day and since that we aren’t able to articulate to suit all people?


29 posted on 09/09/2011 6:50:15 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Nachum
Just imagine.


30 posted on 09/09/2011 6:50:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: unkus

I didn’t structure the sentence well AT ALL! I meant for it to read that so many horrible thoughts had to be going on in their mind before jumping. Thoughts about everything.. family, friends, loved ones, God, Heaven, leaving a life... just coming into their brain at once. I fully understand them jumping... I would have done it myself if I was placed in the same situation.


31 posted on 09/09/2011 6:51:05 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

I had no problem understanding what you meant. Some are looking for an excuse to find something wrong in what you posted.


32 posted on 09/09/2011 6:51:26 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: doc1019

We really do have a small contingent of Freepers who aren’t quite right. They go after fellow Freepers in a manner unbecoming.


33 posted on 09/09/2011 6:52:46 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: plain talk

And I truly believe that this author doesn’t understand at all what was happening here after the attacks. It is my firm belief that the media didn’t focus alot of attention on the jumpers because they KNEW that if we, as patriotic americans saw that carnage hour after hour that there wouldn’t be one mosque standing within the week and there would be a war against muslims on every street corner. remember president bush already thought that it was a real possibility at the time and the politicians and media types really beat the “it was only extreme islam” who did this and not the “good” muslims drum pretty hard.


34 posted on 09/09/2011 6:54:10 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: Nachum

Intense religious fervor?

Right. There is so much religious fervor that the clergy and any prayer has been banned at the memorial ceremony.

Imagine, no mention of God at a memorial ceremony.

Bloomberg and Obama. No wonder.


35 posted on 09/09/2011 6:54:21 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: plain talk

Exactly. Suicide is a choice, what choice did these victims have? Of course the article nothing absurd from the beginning. No one wants to forget ANY of the victims of 9-11.


36 posted on 09/09/2011 6:54:27 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: momtothree

One of the accounts that I found most haunting was from a doctor who was at the scene. I have looked for it since then, but have been unable to find it, so I am going off of memory. One woman who jumped was still alive when she landed, and she told the doctor that she had made it, and was smiling. The doctor reassured her, knowing that she was moments from death, her body broken. The doctor didn’t elaborate more than that, other than to say that her injuries were well beyond repair, but for some reason that account captured the futility of both the people that were trapped in the building, and the futility of those trying to save them.


37 posted on 09/09/2011 6:54:52 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Nachum

I don’t know what I would do, but I have a horrible fear of burns. It’s not a choice anyone wants to make.


38 posted on 09/09/2011 6:55:03 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: momtothree

“”I would have done it myself if I was placed in the same situation.””

As would I.....Lost a mother-in-law in a house fire and it was too horrible to even imagine what she went through...


39 posted on 09/09/2011 6:55:34 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Venturer

Btt


40 posted on 09/09/2011 6:55:48 PM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: Nachum


41 posted on 09/09/2011 6:55:58 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry, Perry/Palin, Palin or Perry, Perry or Palin 2012....Any Questions?)
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To: momtothree
Did they worry that they wouldn’t go to heaven since it was a suicide?

The Bible names one sin that is neither pardonable on earth or in Heaven. It is not suicide.

42 posted on 09/09/2011 6:56:12 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Nachum
The BEST DOCUMENTARY ever. The Falling Man
43 posted on 09/09/2011 6:56:12 PM PDT by BigFinn (BigHat wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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To: A_perfect_lady; momtothree

Indeed.


44 posted on 09/09/2011 6:56:12 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: momtothree

I knew exactly what you were expressing.
I’m sorry other FReepers took the opportunity to accuse
of something you didn’t do.

I don’t know, but I wonder, too, if some of those poor souls had that thought, and I know our loving God wouldn’t even consider counting it against them.

Bless you for sharing your heart. One thinks FR is a safe place to express such anguish. Don’t apologize to anyone else. It’s their problem, not yours.


45 posted on 09/09/2011 6:58:26 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: A_perfect_lady; Thank You Rush

Thank you. I have sent an email to the admin moderator to remove that post. Again, FReepers... I didn’t structure the sentence correctly. My point was that horrible thoughts and ideas must have been in their minds before they HAD to jump. I fully understand that they could either burn slowly and die or jump and die.


46 posted on 09/09/2011 6:58:44 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Travis McGee

Wow. That’s a powerful image.

I actually ran across a British documentary, today, from 2006. It’s called “The Falling Man” done by Channel 4 in the UK. Very hard to watch......but it goes into this very discussion. IOW....I don’t think ANY of us would know what choices we’d make in those horrific circumstances. I’m sure many were in shock and felt helpless either way.


47 posted on 09/09/2011 6:59:13 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: Nachum

I have never even thought of these poor souls that jumped as suicide, and ignorantly I never thought that families would reject the idea that their loved one would do it because it brought shame. Is it odd to have never thought of this?

It is these “jumpers” and the passengers of Flight 93 that haunt me the most. Both had to make decisions that I am not sure I could handle.

I don’t think I can watch the memorials on TV on Sunday, I remember it like it was yesterday and the hurt for the families is overwhelming. God Bless them all.


48 posted on 09/09/2011 6:59:59 PM PDT by Cathy
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To: momtothree

I think you did just fine. No reason for some crank to jump on you.


49 posted on 09/09/2011 7:00:12 PM PDT by hope
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To: momtothree

I understood you perfectly fine.

Of course, I also “know” you and know you are not any kind of “jerk”.


50 posted on 09/09/2011 7:00:36 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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