Posted on 09/09/2011 6:26:42 PM PDT by Nachum
I’m not aware of the account you mentioned, but I recorded video for several days from the initial impact. Much of that video was later censored by the powers to be and can no longer be found. I, however, still have it all. Some of the scenes actually showed the jumpers at they hit and with body parts spewn about. One that is stuck in my mind was a hand with a small portion of the forearm still attached. It is so sad and really unbelievable. God bless everyone who lost their lives that day and their families.
Don’t worry about it. There are some people who live to attack other posters. I’m a good Catholic and I knew perfectly well what you meant.
The most horrible picture that sticks in my mind, actually, is that photo of all the people leaning out or standing in the windows, taking off pieces of their clothing to escape the heat or the flames, or just trying to breathe. I guess most of them either jumped or died horribly in some other way. It is just such a terrible thought that they were there chatting with their coworkers at their desks at one moment and then the next they were realizing that they were all going to die together, and nobody could help them.
Some of these people referenced in the story need to get a grip and understand that the jumpers were murdered just like those who went down inside the towers.
AMEN!
Blame the victims , blame the ignorant public, blame religion. Just don't blame the MSM for protecting the perpetrators and their ilk against the wrath of the public.
This article is the first time I’ve ever read anything about how supposedly people view those who jumped as cowardly or that there is some religious reason to ignore what happened to them. I have never in the last 10 years heard that opinion expressed at all.
If there hasn’t been as much focus on these pour souls it’s because it so incredibly horrifying and I don’t think any one of us can help wondering, if just for a minute, what it must have been like, to be where they were, unable to go up or down, no way to escape except out, through the window. And I think it’s possible that maybe there’s one small part of you that hopes you could somehow survive it, to have that one last ridiculous hope and no time, no choices, it’s horrifying even now to think about how they must have felt in those last few seconds.
Yes, you’re right. The whole thing was sanitized within a few months, so that it was as if these 3000 people had just somehow gone for a walk one day and never returned.
I think that one reason we don't see much about these people is the horror of it, not the "shame". We "see" their deaths in a way we don't see the deaths of the people in the planes nor in the collapsing towers. We know they were faced with a horrific choice: die from fire, smoke, or jumping. How do you possibly make such a choice? Yet they were forced to. Seeing the jumpers or fallers maybe for many of us makes what happened even more personal and painful.
Certainly, they were all murder victims as much as those in the planes and in the collapsing towers.
It seems a harsh fate for those agonised mortals who faced the naked terror of that ten-second plunge to certain death. For the jumpers saved lives even as they were losing theirs.
In testimony after testimony, survivors of the South Tower say they only realised they had to ignore the official safety all-clear and get out fast when they saw those terrible shapes tumbling past their windows.
I think KSM’s execution should be by flamethrower. Endure the agony of most of his victims.
Americans make no attempt to “forget” any of the victims of the murderous attack perpetuated upon our nation on 09/11/2001.
Some of those people trapped in burning buildings facing imminent tortuous death by fire, with no possible escape. They managed to exert a small level of control over the nature of certain death.They were not suicides.
The people on Flight 93 also faced certain death. Some of them managed to exert some level of controll, and saved unknown numbers of others by directing the manner of thier death to thwart the goals of their murderers. They were not suicidal.
I'll put it starkly like this:
A person is in a high building and an arsonist or terrorist sets the building on fire. He has no way out and the fire is coming at him. He can run into the fire - suicide - or he can jump to his death - suicide. Since there was no real choice that would result in survival, neither choice was suicide. The person was murdered.
The jumpers were all murdered.
And we ban any religious reference in the memorial ceremony.
No monotonous langour, either.
Prayers up...No cheers.
I understood what you meant...that very thought might have passed through my mind in that horrible, horrible situation. I probably would have asked for forgiveness as part of a final prayer before I leapt.
I don’t know how much of the coverage I can watch this weekend. I got choked up just watching Hannity’s show tonight. 9/11 seems like it was just yesterday, not 10 years ago.
You just wrenched my heart.
No monotonous langour, either.
Prayers up...No cheers.
It’s okay, momtothree. I understood what you meant; and there’s nothing wrong with your questions.
There’s so much distress and pain associated with September 11th that people - me included - just can’t get our heads around it. There is almost no one who wasn’t touched by it in some way. My son lived in NYC at the time of the attacks, and was a block away when it happened; he called me during the attacks and was crying. He worked in the morgue onsite in the days after. I still doubt he’s really dealt with it realistically even now.
It’s like a combination of horror, fear, terror, and a deep itch of pain that’s shoved down in our collective craws, and needs to be regurgitated somehow.
It has been some time since I read City of God, but I seem to recall that St. Augustine commented that Christians who jumped out of burning buildings during the barbarian invasion of Rome were not to be regarded as suicides since they had no escape from death either way.
I have never heard any opinion in my extensive involvement with the Christian community that has ever viewed those who were forced to jump as anything less than honorable victims. They were hardly cowards.
Saying Americans want to forget them is downright false. The photos have etched too vivid a memory on our national psyche. Our local small town suburban free newspaper featured a photo this week of a victim who jumped. There is nothing to hide here. Instead we need to look terrorism full in the face and say we know what you did and you will pay for this eternally.
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