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Republican candidates at odds over Social Security
LJ World ^ | September 10, 2011 | Philip Elliott,

Posted on 09/10/2011 5:52:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Washington — A growing divide over Social Security splits the two leading contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, and the differences between Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney foreshadow a tricky political dance with older voters.

Romney has seized on what he perceives as Perry’s vulnerability on a program that seniors hold dear, Democrats venerate as sacrosanct and Perry has labeled a “Ponzi scheme.”

That sets up a battle for older voters in Iowa, retirees in Florida and the Sun Belt, and Baby Boomers everywhere worried about their own recession-scarred retirement plans.

“If we nominate someone who the Democrats could correctly characterize as being against Social Security, we would be obliterated as a party,” Romney said on Sean Hannity’s radio program Thursday.

Perry is unyielding.

At a Friday fundraiser in California, Perry stood by his criticism of Social Security and his position that the program is best left to states to administer — a non-starter for many, including some Republicans.

“For people who are on Social Security now, like my folks, and people who are approaching Social Security, like me, it’s going to be there,” he said.

But, he said, he didn’t know at what point age-eligibility will have to be raised because the funds simply aren’t there.

“Anybody that’s for the status quo with Social Security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids, and it’s not right,” he said earlier this week during a debate.

An aging population has put a heavy burden on the Social Security Trust Fund: too few workers are paying for the benefits of a growing number of retirees. In 1950, there were 16 workers paying into the fund for each recipient. Last year, that ratio fell to three workers for every recipient. Left unaddressed, cuts in benefits would be forced in 2037.

But any talk of cutting benefits comes with political risk.

“Governor Perry’s immediate challenge is to knock down the hanging perception being driven that he wants to get rid of Social Security,” said Rich Killion, a Republican strategist who worked on Romney’s 2008 presidential bid and advised former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s bid this year.

The Romney-Perry spat comes as the contest for the Republican nomination begins to flare. With three formal debates and a handful of forums this month, the campaign to challenge President Barack Obama has taken on urgency as voters return from their summer vacations and start to pay attention to politics.

Since Perry joined the race last month, Romney has seen his lead fade, driving him to focus his aggressive criticism on Perry instead of looking ahead to a general campaign against Obama.

“The governor says look, states ought to be able to opt out of Social Security. Our nominee has to be someone who isn’t committed to abolishing Social Security, but who is committed to saving Social Security,” Romney said, sharing the stage with his rival.

An AP-GfK poll in May found that 70 percent of Americans consider Social Security deeply important to their financial security in retirement. Just 6 percent said it was “not at all” important.

Yet the public is split on the likelihood Social Security will be there for them: 35 percent say it is extremely or very likely to provide income their entire retirement, 30 percent somewhat likely and 35 percent not too or not at all likely.

It’s that uncertainty that both campaigns hope to tap.

“I know Florida certainly has an interest in Social Security given the large number of seniors we have here,” said John Thrasher, a Republican state senator and former state GOP chairman who backs Romney.

“It’s not whether it’s a Ponzi scheme or not. These are retired people who are pretty intelligent. They want Social Security to be maintained. And they understand there are problems that need to be fixed. There is an opportunity to fix Social Security so it’s a continued benefit for people who are getting it now and those who will get it in the future.”


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KEYWORDS: imoldgimmegimme; perry; perry2012; ponzischeme; respectdannyh; retirement; socialsecurity
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Perry Campaign: Remember When Romney Compared Social Security to a Criminal Enterprise? [quote from Romney's book] " What would happen to the bankers responsible for misusing the money? They would go to jail. But what has happened to the people responsible for the looming bankruptcy of Social Security? They keep returning to Congress every two years.” [end quote]


1 posted on 09/10/2011 5:52:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Did Perry Blow It on Social Security? (Marco Rubio and Ron Johnson certainly didn't)There is a brand of Republican who looks at President Obama’s vulnerability on the economy and says, “Go for it!” They argue that the overriding issue of the campaign should be jobs — and that everything else should be a distant second.

There is another kind of Republican who sees the election of 2012 as a tipping point for the nation — a do-or-die moment when we will either pull back from the precipice of debt and national decline or fall off the edge. This second brand of Republican is hoping that a candidate will emerge who can lay before the American people the nature of the challenge we face in a direct and forthright way. If a campaign is run and won on the need to reform our obese government, the new president will have a mandate to take the necessary steps once in office.

After Wednesday’s Republican debate, it seems that Mitt Romney represents the first group, and Rick Perry stands for the second. ………………”

Rick Perry’s Air War (with the EPA)...........>>>Texas alone opted for the unfriendly approach. It’s the only state that did not issue a plan for compliance—and Perry has made it clear that Texas has no intention of complying. The move was a blatant slap to the Obama administration—and once again gave Perry the national spotlight. Defying the climate rules offered him the perfect opportunity to loudly decry the science of global warming—which in his book Fed Up! he calls a “contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight”—and to slam EPA as a “rogue agency” with an “activist mind-set” that has “targeted Texas.” Such rhetoric is viral catnip to the tea party voters who could help catapult Perry to the 2012 presidential nomination.<<<..............


Metro - Carolyn and Ron Agnew, center, of Pflugerville, wait for Governor Rick Perry's arrival during the Rick Perry Welcome Home Rally at Abel's on the Lake in Austin on Saturday, August 20, 2011. LISA KRANTZ/lkrantz@express-news.net

In Texas Schools, Perry Shuns Federal Influence ………>>>When Secretary of Education Arne Duncan jabbed Mr. Perry on public schools in mid-August, it was only the latest skirmish between the governor and the Obama administration since late 2009, when Mr. Perry announced that the state would not sign on to common core-curriculum standards.<<<...

The Left is signaling that they hope a President Perry will fix education and get the inner cities out from under the impossible mess they've created.

Will Rick Perry Unravel the Strange Consensus on Public Education?

Trial lawyers prep for war on Perry America’s trial lawyers are getting ready to make the case against one of their biggest targets in years: Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

Among litigators, there is no presidential candidate who inspires the same level of hatred – and fear – as Perry, an avowed opponent of the plaintiffs’ bar who has presided over several rounds of tort reform as governor.

And if Perry ends up as the Republican nominee for president, deep-pocketed trial lawyers intend to play a central role in the campaign to defeat him.

That’s a potential financial boon to a president who has unsettled trial lawyers with his own rhetorical gestures in the direction of tort reform. A general election pitting Barack Obama and Perry could turn otherwise apathetic trial lawyers into a phalanx of pro-Obama bundlers and super PAC donors. …..”

2 posted on 09/10/2011 5:52:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The MSM is in overdrive trying to Romney as the Republican nominee.


3 posted on 09/10/2011 5:56:36 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The easiest way in the world to fix social security is to pull everyone in congress OUT of their comfy retirement plan that none of the proles will ever see, and put them into social security.

Once you start playing with money in THEIR pocket, you’ll see changes.

But, to quote Shrek, “Like that’ll ever happen”.


4 posted on 09/10/2011 5:56:55 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Obama 2011: "Let them eat peas")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry’s right as was Bush.

The Masshole communist is wrong.


5 posted on 09/10/2011 5:59:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I’m not so sure.
SS payments would be pocket money to most of these folks.

Remember that Congress is not covered by insider trading laws, so as CNBC recently pointed out, most of them have “market crushing” investment returns.

That’s why folks spend millions to run for a job that pays thousands.


6 posted on 09/10/2011 6:02:18 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Same with their gold plated health care (THAT CAN NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CRAP WE HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO BUY or else), barbershop perks, gym perks, car perks, mailing perks, travel perks.....

These people need to go home and get a damn job.


7 posted on 09/10/2011 6:04:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: KansasGirl

The only conflict is with Mittens and himself.
In his book he writes that the Social Security System is a Criminal Enterprise. And on stage he tries to defend it. As usual, Mittens has not seen a position on any issue he will not take if it polls well for him at the moment.


8 posted on 09/10/2011 6:05:31 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

They are and HAVE been in it since 1984!

Things ARE changing!


9 posted on 09/10/2011 6:06:41 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We're screwed. All you need to do is look at FR threads to see how many supposed die-hard conservatives are against abolishing this unconstitutional welfare scheme.

Even a good many Freepers believe they have "paid into" some imaginary account.

10 posted on 09/10/2011 6:06:58 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My question is this? What Perry wrote in his book (I never read it) about his opinion on social security, was it the same as the rational he gave at the debate? Or was it just the response that his team prepared for, knowing that the question was coming?

Just wondering if he toned down his belief at the debate, or was his response identical to what he wrote in the book...anybody?


11 posted on 09/10/2011 6:11:17 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

First, Perry qualified his answer during the debate by first stating that any changes would not affect current seniors or those, like him, who are soon to retire.

Just like liberals, the media, Romney and FReepers forget to mention that.

Second, SS is a ponzi scheme and must have changes in order to survive. Obama, during his “pass this teleprompter” speech said the same of Medicare.

Rubio won in Florida on a SS Reform platform.

This is much ado about nothing.


12 posted on 09/10/2011 6:11:32 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

13 posted on 09/10/2011 6:17:12 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"That sets up a battle for older voters"

The assumption of these arrogant journalists is that once anyone turns 65 he also turns stupid. The opposite is the case. We "Social Security Eligible" individuals are perfectly capable of understanding the truth. We tend to vote for those who speak it. Social Security IS a Ponzi Scheme. Those that deny that should not be president, nor in any other political office.

14 posted on 09/10/2011 6:17:55 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: KansasGirl

The MSM/Rep est had been pushing Perry, but I believe that is over and now they will try to push Romney. Polls are all manufactured on the current whim of the pollsters. For some reason they wanted to push Perry, just as they did Bachmann, prior to dropping her. Now they are going to push Romney again.

I predict that we will see this trend in the phony MSM/REP EST polls over the coming days.

One of the reasons they pushed MB and then RP, was in part to keep SP out of the race, but now they are in a funny spot, they no longer want to push Perry, so in essence they are going to end up helping SP, which they desperately wanted to show in a bad light.

All the polls are phony any way you slice it, they all have an agenda.


15 posted on 09/10/2011 6:19:03 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Friendofgeorge
.........Just wondering if he toned down his belief at the debate, ...........

?????????????????????

November 2010: Perry calls Social Security bankrupt 'Ponzi scheme'

Aug 29, 2011: In Iowa Saturday, Perry reasserted the claim, first made in his 2010 treatise Fed Up!, that the federal retirement program is a "monstrous lie" perpetuated by Washington on the American public.

Sept 7, 2011: 4 Minute YouTube VIDEO Clip: Perry Fires At Rove & Romney: Social Security Is A "Ponzi Scheme" And A "Monstrous Lie"

16 posted on 09/10/2011 6:20:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: norwaypinesavage
The assumption of these arrogant journalists is that once anyone turns 65 he also turns stupid. The opposite is the case. We "Social Security Eligible" individuals are perfectly capable of understanding the truth. We tend to vote for those who speak it. Social Security IS a Ponzi Scheme. Those that deny that should not be president, nor in any other political office.

BRAVO!!!

WELL SAID!

I am one of the eligible, I have been calling social security a Ponzi scheme all of my life, and I WILL vote for Rick Perry!

17 posted on 09/10/2011 6:21:59 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Erik Latranyi
Rubio won in Florida on a SS Reform platform.

And Ron Johnson won a U.S. Senate seat in Wisconsin on a SS Reform platform.

So you have "God's waiting room" voters and "union stronghold" voters looking for leadership on the broken retirement program, social security.

President Perry is next.

18 posted on 09/10/2011 6:24:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: norwaypinesavage

Obama has already robbed SS funds and plans to rob some more with his 450 billion job plan.


19 posted on 09/10/2011 6:25:13 AM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: norwaypinesavage

>> The assumption of these arrogant journalists is that once anyone turns 65 he also turns stupid. The opposite is the case.

The journos also assume that seniors have no conscience, which is not the case either.

In general, they love their children greatly, and their grandchildren even more. A truthful dialog about fixing SS so their offspring won’t suffer the consequences can get traction.


20 posted on 09/10/2011 6:25:48 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick
In general, they love their children greatly, and their grandchildren even more. A truthful dialog about fixing SS so their offspring won’t suffer the consequences can get traction.

This is huge. It's about all most of us will have left to give after this disastrous 4 years ends.

21 posted on 09/10/2011 6:30:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Nervous Tick
A truthful dialog about fixing SS so their offspring won’t suffer the consequences can get is getting traction.

Friendly amendment. ;>)

22 posted on 09/10/2011 6:33:06 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Steamburg
The only conflict is with Mittens and himself. In his book he writes that the Social Security System is a Criminal Enterprise. And on stage he tries to defend it. As usual, Mittens has not seen a position on any issue he will not take if it polls well for him at the moment.
Mitt Romney will now be given 30 seconds to rebut himself.
23 posted on 09/10/2011 6:34:26 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Got it, he basically said the same thing


24 posted on 09/10/2011 6:35:12 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: nascarnation

Remember, also, that the Congress and all government employees are exempted from the Social Security system. They will get their “Rolls Royce” pensions, even if Social Security goes bankrupt.


25 posted on 09/10/2011 6:41:51 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Bigun

>> Friendly amendment. ;>)

No prob! I heartily endorse the change. :-) Thx


26 posted on 09/10/2011 6:43:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: nascarnation

Members of Congress aren’t on SS like mere mortals. Oh, no... they have their own wonderfully generous plan. Exactly because SS would be pocket change to them.

I’d like to know if the Congressional pension plan froze payts when SS did (2 years ago?) or did they continue to increase? Their benes should be slashed to bring them into conformance with SS. Same with all public employees. THEN you will see them work out a viable SS program not only for now but for the distant future.

They could start fixing SS by eliminating alcoholics and drug addicts as “handicapped” to enable their tapping into SS through SSI. How many know that those folks who choose to enter the alcoholic or druggie lifestyle come under the ‘handicapped’ umbrella and are therefore eligible for SSI benefits that truly handicapped people are too often denied and have to spend years challenging? SSI is a program that has to be cleaned up.


27 posted on 09/10/2011 6:44:01 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Jack Wheeler states:

As for the debate itself, Perry won flat out. It was The Rick Perry Show, also featuring Mitt Romney as a polished articulate wonk. Rick Santorum wore a pink tie, Ron Paul conformed to his crazy uncle in the attic role, Gingrich pontificated as the elder statesman-advisor he's morphing into, Bachmann was a wallflower, Huntsman an idiot Warmist, and Herman Cain had a great proposal that the audience cheered:

"I propose my 9-9-9 plan: a straight 9% corporate tax, 9% personal income tax, and 9% federal sales tax. If 10% is good enough for God, 9% is good enough for the federal government."

Perry came off immensely real and likeable. His energy and personality dominated. He didn't back down, he double-downed on Social Security being a Ponzi scheme, "a monstrous lie" to young people. He made fun of Warmism, comparing climate realists to Galileo (and thus "consensus science" to geocentrism). And he drove the audience ecstatic with his response to FM propagandist Brian Williams' question over the 234 death row executions under his governorship:

Williams: "Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?"

Perry: "No sir, I've never struggled with that at all. In the state of Texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is you will be executed."

Williams was scandalized, and especially by the audience cheering. So he asked Perry what he made of it. Perry shrugged, smiled knowingly, and answered: "I think Americans understand justice."

28 posted on 09/10/2011 6:46:35 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t think Perry best serves himself saying “leave it to the states” per se - simply relocating from one state to another would make such an idea problematic.

Instead, I think a private accounts system (Chilean style or like Galveston County’s system) is the way to go. Now, one could argue that each state maintains the administration of them, and relocating simply would mean transferring the maintenance in the same way you can switch financial consultants but keep your funds, but I think he needs to clarify this. Or - the state you were born in (or that your SSN was granted in) could always hold the maintenance of your own account.

Perry’s on to something - a lot of people, even older ones on Social Security (well, those informed and intelligent enough to know what’s going on) know that Social Security is set up to fail the way it’s done now.

Whether you call it “saving” Social Security or “revamping” it, we’re arguing semantics. What people are concerned about is:

1. If I get SS, will I keep getting it?
2. If I’m younger, will something be there for me when I retire without a tax rate of 60% to support it?

Simplify it. Perry should state that Romney’s (and others’) unwillingness to address the problem means he’ll likely just give more of the same, and kick the can down the road for our kids to take care of, instead of creating a solution now.


29 posted on 09/10/2011 6:52:05 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: shield
Sounds like me, you, Wheeler and the viewing public saw the same debate.

The MSM is (((((((((spinning))))))))) themselves silly.

30 posted on 09/10/2011 6:52:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RockinRight
Basically, it boils down to it will not be FEDERALLY DICTATED and CONTROLLED.

We have to pull back from all this Federal control and take it local again.

31 posted on 09/10/2011 6:55:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: triumphant values

I don’t know about an immaginary account but we sure as hell paid into something and now at the end you want us to just go away...it ain’t gona happen.


32 posted on 09/10/2011 6:59:15 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Nervous Tick

There are some ignorant post-65 voters out there, but they were ignorant before they turned 65.


33 posted on 09/10/2011 6:59:28 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: RockinRight
Instead, I think a private accounts system (Chilean style or like Galveston County’s system) is the way to go.

If you think the government is into manipulating and managing the financial system of the US now, just wait until we have government mandated investment accounts for everyone.

Gee, here I thought this site was about returning to a Constitutional governmental level, not reshuffling the unconstitutional.

34 posted on 09/10/2011 7:00:31 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: triumphant values

Tell many of those same FReepers that those IOU’s are worth nothing but the paper that they are written on.


35 posted on 09/10/2011 7:01:01 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Exactly....I happened to look at the big picture...so do you...so does Perry and his team...and Wheeler...we saw an excellent showing.

Perry and his team did exactly what they intended to do. Ever since the debate what has everyone been talking about? Perry, Ponzi Scheme...Perry won the soundbite war.

Few people realize the fascist moderator goon squad fell right into Perry's trap and so did Mittens. They were set up. This is how Perry and is team campaign...and we will certainly be excited to continue to watch that poor Texas farm boy the genius.

36 posted on 09/10/2011 7:05:37 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: ontap
I don’t know about an immaginary account but we sure as hell paid into something...

You paid an income tax into the United States Treasury. That's it, nothing more. No different than those who may have paid income tax at one time and now draw food stamps.

That's how the initial law's text that started SS reads and that's how two Supreme Court cases have ruled - one right when it started in the 30s and one in the 60s.

Sorry if you believed any politicians lies that said otherwise. You should have read the law and those SC cases instead.

37 posted on 09/10/2011 7:08:44 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: shield

Did you notice the “Me too!” chorus to the Bernake money printing question!? (didn’t have to ask Perry — EVERYONE knew he’d denounced it and that Bernake did NOT announce QE in Jackson Hole (how appropriate — money pit, black hole....)


38 posted on 09/10/2011 7:16:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Erik Latranyi

SS is a ponzi scheme and must have changes in order to survive.


Exactly. It is a Ponzi scheme because as currently set up, it can not guarantee the same benefits to those who are paying in to fund current retirees.

The way to make it not a Ponzi scheme is to float the retirement age annually to maintain annual solvency. Then, even current and young future worker will be guaranteed to receive a benefit, subject to an uncertain retirement date that rises with the life expectancy.


39 posted on 09/10/2011 7:17:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: norwaypinesavage

We “Social Security Eligible” individuals are perfectly capable of understanding the truth.


And probably that the biggest threat to SS is a failure to reform it into a fiscally sustainable program.


40 posted on 09/10/2011 7:18:47 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: shield

While almost all the Republican candidates dither about Social Security, Cong. THAD MCCOTTER is going to do something about it. On Monday, at the Heritage Foundation, McCotter will introduce the SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT, a plan that will neither raise taxes nor reduce benefits. Social Security expert Peter J. Ferrara, who worked on this legislation, declared that this legislation would provide for the “single biggest spending reduction” in Federal history. Let’s see: Thad McCotter speaks IN DETAIL about the neccessity to re-structure the banking system, speaks stongly about the threat that is Communist China, will introduce Social Security reform legislation, but he gets excluded from the debates because he doesn’t meet an artificially created, media driven, national polling threshold?


41 posted on 09/10/2011 7:18:49 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: triumphant values

“Sorry if you believed any politicians lies that said otherwise.”

Hear, hear! You’ve stated it well.


42 posted on 09/10/2011 7:19:38 AM PDT by rephope
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To: triumphant values
You should have read the law and those SC cases instead.

I don't have to read a damn thing...the check comes every month....that sonny is the reality. And I'm pretty sure when you hit that age you will meander on down to the local SS office and sign up!!!

43 posted on 09/10/2011 7:21:06 AM PDT by ontap
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To: cumbo78

Congressman Thad McCotter is one of Jack Wheeler’s favorites.


44 posted on 09/10/2011 7:23:36 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: ontap
I don't have to read a damn thing...the check comes every month...

I know, you're of the same mentality as Shaniqua who eagerly awaits midnight on the first of the month when her EBT card gets recharged. You and those like you are going to be America's downfall.

Thanks, hope you enjoy your 30 pieces.

45 posted on 09/10/2011 7:25:38 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry made it perfectly clear during the debate, and I am going by my own memory, that "you cannot change what happened 70 years ago". Whether Social Security was set up correctly or not before any of us were born or old enough to vote, right now, it is here and seniors depend on it and right now, for the young, it is set up as a Ponzi Scheme. Even Al Gore admitted to that back when he talked about his "lock box".

Perry should make it clear that Social Security for seniors is safe.

Perry should make it clear to the younger voters that he does not want them to be cheated in the future.

Keeping Social Security as a "payment by younger workers as we go" system is simply not sustainable. The younger working voters know that.

46 posted on 09/10/2011 7:29:29 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: triumphant values
I will enjoy every piece of it...as will you when your time comes. By the way I need for you to work a little harder I haven’t had a raise in ages!!!!
47 posted on 09/10/2011 7:30:15 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ontap
I will enjoy every piece of it...

I know you will. I see those grinning faces of your Shaniqua welfare brethren every first of the month in the grocery store parking lot.

I understand how much you enjoy your welfare check. A leech isn't ashamed of being a leech, it's what he is. It's the responsibility of those of us who don't want leeches on us to burn them off with a cigarette.

Don't worry, nobody is asking your freeloading behind to do anything. Mathematic reality or inflation will do the heavy lifting.

48 posted on 09/10/2011 7:36:16 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: RockinRight
I don’t think Perry best serves himself saying “leave it to the states” per se - simply relocating from one state to another would make such an idea problematic.

Agreed. Perry needs to be less provincial. Not everybody in America lives their entire life in one State.

So far, I have lived in Florida, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Maryland, California and Washington State.

The Commonwealth of Virginia tried to claim me once for state income tax purposes, because my mailing address during my one year tour of duty at U.S. Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba was "FPO Norfolk, VA" but an extremely sarcastic reply to Virginia with a copy to the JAG Corps officer solved that issue.

49 posted on 09/10/2011 7:44:56 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: RockinRight
I don’t think Perry best serves himself saying “leave it to the states” per se - simply relocating from one state to another would make such an idea problematic.

Agreed. Perry needs to be less provincial. Not everybody in America lives their entire life in one State.

So far, I have lived in Florida, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Maryland, California and Washington State.

The Commonwealth of Virginia tried to claim me once for state income tax purposes, because my mailing address during my one year tour of duty at U.S. Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba was "FPO Norfolk, VA" but an extremely sarcastic reply to Virginia with a copy to the JAG Corps officer solved that issue.

50 posted on 09/10/2011 7:45:00 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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