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Perry on Social Security: They also said Reagan was too blunt
Washington Examiner ^ | September 10, 2011 | Mark Tapscott

Posted on 09/10/2011 12:46:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has gotten all kinds of grief from the smartest guys in the room crowd in New York and Washington for calling Social Security “a Ponzi Scheme,” and “a monstrous lie to our kids.”

I can’t think of a more fitting place to demonstrate a Reaganesque honesty than the Reagan Library, with former First Lady Nancy Reagan looking on benignly as a couple of her crisply-coiffed Liberal Mainstream Media friends do their best to discredit the heirs to her husband’s political legacy.

Reagan himself often spoke just as bluntly about liberalism’s many sacred cows, and he invariably got the same sort of outraged responses from the smartest guys in the room crowd.

Like when he said “government isn’t the solution, government is the problem.” They were scandalized when he called the Soviet Union an “evil empire,” too. And who can forget “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” Some of his own advisors were aghast that he was going to say that one.

Now Perry is getting the business from the same crowd. And it started with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney – who knows a thing or two about appealing to the smartest guys.

“Our nominee has to be someone who isn't committed to abolishing Social Security, but who is committed to saving Social Security,” Romney chirped in response to Perry.

Of course Perry did NOT say he wanted to "abolish" Social Security, he simply called it what it is. It’s a classic Ponzi Scheme because money from the last investors must be used to pay the first investors. The fact Social Security is compulsory while a Ponzi Scheme is voluntary is beside the point.

And it’s a monstrous lie to tell anybody under age 50 because everybody knows and has known for decades that the Ponzi Scheme’s days are numbered by the reality that too few new workers are paying into the system to fund payments to current and projected beneficiaries.

You’ve heard of being “upside down” on a car loan? That’s when you keep trading in for a new model before paying off the old one. You transfer the outstanding balance on the old loan to the new loan. That’s just the way Social Security “works.”

Like Reagan said in 1964, the only thing that “saves” Social Security is that Washington can always raise taxes.

Except that it can’t. Only three workers pay in to Social Security now for every one beneficiary. The day is coming soon when it will only be two workers. Can you say “ruinous taxation?”

And that’s why Perry is way ahead of the smartest guys in the crowd on this issue.

Sure, the politically shrewd thing to say is to we have to “save” Social Security. It reassures the old folks without threatening the younger workers who must pay the taxes that fund the benefits.

What the smartest guys in the room crowd apparently missed is that Perry also said this:

“And people who are on Social Security today, men and women who are receiving those benefits today, are individuals at my age that are in line pretty quick to get them, they don't need to worry about anything. But I think the Republican candidates are talking about ways to transition this program …”

Perry appears to understand something Reagan knew very well: The smartest guys in the room crowd are slaves to conventional liberal wisdom and they are out-of-touch with the values and views of most Americans.

Our political elites in New York and Washington are far more attuned to that conventional wisdom than to everyday Americans. If you don’t grasp that fact, you will never understand why three-fourths of the voters trust the people more than professional politicians.

And that is why Perry’s candor may well prove to be his greatest asset in the months ahead.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: perry; perry2012; ponzischeme; retirement; socialsecurity
Sept 7, 2011: 4 Minute YouTube VIDEO Clip: Perry Fires At Rove & Romney: Social Security Is A "Ponzi Scheme" And A "Monstrous Lie"

Perry Campaign: Remember When Romney Compared Social Security to a Criminal Enterprise? [quote from Romney's book] " What would happen to the bankers responsible for misusing the money? They would go to jail. But what has happened to the people responsible for the looming bankruptcy of Social Security? They keep returning to Congress every two years.” [end quote]

Did Perry Blow It on Social Security? (Marco Rubio and Ron Johnson certainly didn't)There is a brand of Republican who looks at President Obama’s vulnerability on the economy and says, “Go for it!” They argue that the overriding issue of the campaign should be jobs — and that everything else should be a distant second.

There is another kind of Republican who sees the election of 2012 as a tipping point for the nation — a do-or-die moment when we will either pull back from the precipice of debt and national decline or fall off the edge. This second brand of Republican is hoping that a candidate will emerge who can lay before the American people the nature of the challenge we face in a direct and forthright way. If a campaign is run and won on the need to reform our obese government, the new president will have a mandate to take the necessary steps once in office.

After Wednesday’s Republican debate, it seems that Mitt Romney represents the first group, and Rick Perry stands for the second. ………………”

1 posted on 09/10/2011 12:46:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Rick Perry’s Air War (with the EPA)...........>>>Texas alone opted for the unfriendly approach. It’s the only state that did not issue a plan for compliance—and Perry has made it clear that Texas has no intention of complying. The move was a blatant slap to the Obama administration—and once again gave Perry the national spotlight. Defying the climate rules offered him the perfect opportunity to loudly decry the science of global warming—which in his book Fed Up! he calls a “contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight”—and to slam EPA as a “rogue agency” with an “activist mind-set” that has “targeted Texas.” Such rhetoric is viral catnip to the tea party voters who could help catapult Perry to the 2012 presidential nomination.<<<..............


Metro - Carolyn and Ron Agnew, center, of Pflugerville, wait for Governor Rick Perry's arrival during the Rick Perry Welcome Home Rally at Abel's on the Lake in Austin on Saturday, August 20, 2011. LISA KRANTZ/lkrantz@express-news.net

In Texas Schools, Perry Shuns Federal Influence ………>>>When Secretary of Education Arne Duncan jabbed Mr. Perry on public schools in mid-August, it was only the latest skirmish between the governor and the Obama administration since late 2009, when Mr. Perry announced that the state would not sign on to common core-curriculum standards.<<<...

The Left is signaling that they hope a President Perry will fix education and get the inner cities out from under the impossible mess they've created.

Will Rick Perry Unravel the Strange Consensus on Public Education?

Trial lawyers prep for war on Perry America’s trial lawyers are getting ready to make the case against one of their biggest targets in years: Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

Among litigators, there is no presidential candidate who inspires the same level of hatred – and fear – as Perry, an avowed opponent of the plaintiffs’ bar who has presided over several rounds of tort reform as governor.

And if Perry ends up as the Republican nominee for president, deep-pocketed trial lawyers intend to play a central role in the campaign to defeat him.

That’s a potential financial boon to a president who has unsettled trial lawyers with his own rhetorical gestures in the direction of tort reform. A general election pitting Barack Obama and Perry could turn otherwise apathetic trial lawyers into a phalanx of pro-Obama bundlers and super PAC donors. …..”

2 posted on 09/10/2011 12:49:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Ted Nugent: Rick Perry should make US 'more like Texas'

I love how he took it to the BBC.

Rick Perry and Marcus Luttrell

Rick Perry's Medal of Honor Motorcycle auctioned for Freedom Angels

Perry Barnstorms Newport Beach

3 posted on 09/10/2011 1:07:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

4 posted on 09/10/2011 1:08:34 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Unforced error by Rick now he has to travel around defending himself instead of attacking the Obama agenda.


5 posted on 09/10/2011 1:10:20 PM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: shield
Metrosexual Rick Horowitz can't understand Texas Tough

Horowitz must prefer the "Chicago Way."

6 posted on 09/10/2011 1:10:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A straight shooter always has more respect than a mealy mouthed blathering obfuscator.


7 posted on 09/10/2011 1:12:59 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh yes, great article...and it is right on!!!


8 posted on 09/10/2011 1:13:07 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: vicar7

I believe you are wrong.

Everyone is listening to what Rick Perry is saying. He’s getting air time to repeat his position (you prefer to characterize it as defending himself— Hell man! He’s promoting his ideas for saving the country!)

His “mistake” about “treating Bernake ugly in Texas” had all the other candidates on the Reagan Library debate state saying “Me too! Me too!” when Williams asked their take.


9 posted on 09/10/2011 1:14:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Of course Perry did NOT say he wanted to "abolish" Social Security, he simply called it what it is. It’s a classic Ponzi Scheme because money from the last investors must be used to pay the first investors

So it's a Ponzi scheme and by any measure a total failure but he doesn't want to abolish it?

10 posted on 09/10/2011 1:16:29 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s an excellent article. Everyone should read it. Read the whole thing.


11 posted on 09/10/2011 1:17:49 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: vicar7
I know you aren't that stupid, are you? This was a pure campaign strategy by Perry and his team. A while ago this was set up by him and his team. He pulled the fascist moderator goon squad right into his trap and Mittens like the fascist moderators was also pulled into that trap. Which tells me mittens is one of them. All week long nothing but Rick Perry and the Ponzi Scheme have been talked about over and over and over again. This is how he and his team have always campaigned...very smart and very cunning.
12 posted on 09/10/2011 1:19:30 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry on Social Security: They also said Reagan was too blunt

It's a streeeetch to see how this article backs up the title.

13 posted on 09/10/2011 1:21:54 PM PDT by McGruff (Why settle for second best.)
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To: SoJoCo

You don’t abolish it when people are living on it and some are about to enter the program that was forced on them and they’re near retirement.

You transition to something that isn’t unsustainable and run by the Federal government. 30-40 year-olds know it won’t be there (their parents and grandparents know it and want to see their family members out of this financial trap that will not be there for them).

I appreciate that you might be interested in this but if your only point for coming on Perry threads is to be negative and ball up the thread, please go somewhere else.


14 posted on 09/10/2011 1:24:31 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SoJoCo
So it's a Ponzi scheme and by any measure a total failure but he doesn't want to abolish it?

Describing it accurately while at the same time being unwilling to withdraw the promises made to seniors by the federal government seems to be a political concept too complex for you to grasp. But I understand it wasn't really a serious question.

15 posted on 09/10/2011 1:25:32 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Your Perry photo reminds me of the famed Erik Estrada image.


16 posted on 09/10/2011 1:36:26 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: vicar7

How much social security money has been spend on supporting illegals. If we are going to talk about it let’s talk about where the money went.


17 posted on 09/10/2011 1:39:16 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My four adult children (& spouses) are paying into the SS system which more than covers mine & their other living parents’ SS benefits.

These young working adults are smart enough, however, to realize there will be a mere SS pittance for them at retirement, if any. As a result, they are energetically making maximum contributions to 401Ks etc., as well as paying obscene income taxes.

Any candidate who can present a creative solution to the SS mess will win the young and the retireee vote in 2012.


18 posted on 09/10/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: org.whodat
How much social security money has been spend on supporting illegals. If we are going to talk about it let’s talk about where the money went.

And how much has the system, (positions, buildings, all that energy, etc.) that administers the dollars has pulled out, off the top. Government got the cream and they send out the money like it was government stash since government is in control of printing. Not even to mention all the big dollars that have been diverted to pay for some bridge/federal building, with a Congressman's name attached.

19 posted on 09/10/2011 1:52:28 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: vicar7
Unforced error by Rick now he has to travel around defending himself instead of attacking the Obama agenda.

Let's see, everyone is talking about Perry and his ideas about Social Security, rather than talking about Romney, Bachmann, Cain... yeah, that's an "unforced error" alright. A few more errors like that and he will only 20 points ahead of his closest competitors, instead of 10 points.

20 posted on 09/10/2011 2:08:42 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You don’t abolish it when people are living on it and some are about to enter the program that was forced on them and they’re near retirement.

Any other abject failures that Perry wants to keep around?

You transition to something that isn’t unsustainable and run by the Federal government. 30-40 year-olds know it won’t be there (their parents and grandparents know it and want to see their family members out of this financial trap that will not be there for them).

There in lies the problem. You say transition to something that isn't run by the federal government. You already have that - 401Ks, IRAs, basic savings accounts. But if your plan is a required contribution retirement program not run by the federal government then that's likely unconstitutional. In either case, how do you fund Social Security for those on it or those almost on it while allowing those not on it to drop out?

I appreciate that you might be interested in this but if your only point for coming on Perry threads is to be negative and ball up the thread, please go somewhere else.

I want some indication that Perry isn't all hat and no cattle. I keep hoping to find it but have been pretty disappointed to date.

21 posted on 09/10/2011 2:11:58 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Describing it accurately while at the same time being unwilling to withdraw the promises made to seniors by the federal government seems to be a political concept too complex for you to grasp.

Describing something as criminal fraud and an abject failure while also claiming you don't want to end it seems to fall under Einstein's definition of insanity.

22 posted on 09/10/2011 2:13:54 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: McGruff
Perry on Social Security: They also said Reagan was too blunt

It's a streeeetch to see how this article backs up the title.

The GOP establishment elite has so bastardized the "era of Reagan" that it's become almost irrelevant.

SO...... I dub these times the Era of Palin! :p

23 posted on 09/10/2011 2:15:41 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Idunno...my gut tells me it's too early to play the "Reagan" card.

Better get advice about that, sir.

24 posted on 09/10/2011 2:16:00 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
OK. HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE: Rick did not do well in his first Debate Wednesday night. It's still early but I say, if he doesn't do well in the other Debates in September, he might be "gone". I, as were the people in the Frank Luntz Focus Group on Hannity the other night, was disappointed in Perry's Debate Performance. He was not "forceful" and assertive. He seemed, as so many people have said, unprepared for that Debate. Like I say, if he doesn't do better by the end of this month (September), people are going to take a second look at Bachmann, Gingrich, Cain and Santorum. That will be enough to divide the Conservative vote and propel Mittens back into "front-runner" status until the field is winnowed out some. Come on Rick; get your stuff together.
25 posted on 09/10/2011 8:58:59 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: no dems

Frankly, I did not think he did poorly at all. He had a target on his back by those two so called moderators. He is flat spoken and usually speaks softly. Don’t under estimate him. You will get surprised every time. The others you mentioned that were in the debate simply can not beat Obama. Perry can and do it without a teleprompter. He may be off to a slow start. After all, TX is really burning and Obama will not issue a state of emergency. This along with the Feds coming in, and stating they were taking over the fire fighting. They grounded a bunch of the tanker planes and sent away a lot of volunteers who were there to fire the fires, which are still burning heavily. Obama is playing politics with this one.


26 posted on 09/10/2011 10:39:26 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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