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OMG! Perry used the S-word!!
Washington Examiner ^ | September 11, 2011 | Mark Tapscott

Posted on 09/11/2011 5:50:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Blue Ink
Does the Pope have thermonuclear warheads? Well, not yet ~ so that's the answer about kicking a state out of the union. Lyndon Baines Johnson said we can swap Texas land back to the Mexicans ~ without Texas approval as I recall. So I guess we could swap California ~ back to SPAIN!!!! Screw the Mexicans.

Oh, yeah, and we keep the part the Russians had a claim to ~ they sold all that early on.

51 posted on 09/11/2011 7:22:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

LOL

I think it’s “kill” the top dog.

Paul is trying to bite Perry’s boots and beyond being annoying, it won’t make a difference.


52 posted on 09/11/2011 7:22:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: basil
Hmm ~ we went to school with pictures of Abe Lincoln in our classrooms.

Regional peculiarities ~ but I think the Texans of "way back when" recalled RECONSTRUCTION quite well!

53 posted on 09/11/2011 7:23:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: smoothsailing
Speaking of first responders smoothsailing,

Texas: "Eleven of the 24 firefighters of the Heart of the Pines department, including 49-year-old assistant chief Scott Sutcliffe, lost their homes."


Bastrop firefighter Michelle Baker sat in a firetruck as her house collapsed. 'I had to watch my house burn,' she said. She and her husband, Nate, returned Thursday to see what they could find.

54 posted on 09/11/2011 7:26:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dusttoyou
The “radical” views are emminating from paul camp.

You lost me right there. I don't see any evidence that those opposing Perry are Ron Paul "wack-os". Polls in June showed Perry trailing Obama in Texas with Perry having a higher disapproval rating.

I guess, like with many Palin and Paul supporters, honest debate with many Perry supporters is out of the question.

55 posted on 09/11/2011 7:30:30 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s heartbreaking. They’re in my prayers.


56 posted on 09/11/2011 7:31:33 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Prokopton
Those familiar with candidate:

Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin, who still have not ruled out entering the race, are also well-liked by Republicans (74% and 69% favorable ratings, respectively), but also do not generate the same degree of strong intense feeling as Perry and Cain. Giuliani's current Positive Intensity Score is 15 and Palin's is 13.

Perry Remains Best-Positioned Candidate

Perry's combination of high name recognition and a high Positive Intensity Score help make him the best-positioned candidate for the Republican nomination at this point, underscored by his lead in Republican nomination preferences. Cain's enthusiastic support is offset by his low name recognition, and other well-known candidates like Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Ron Paul, do not generate the same level of intense feeling as Perry.

Source

Perry has room to grow within his name recognition numbers.


57 posted on 09/11/2011 7:32:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: muawiyah

Well, I don’t recall reconstruction, and the picture in our classrooms was of George Washington.............I don’t know if that means anything—I never thought about it before. Maybe that was some sort of conspiracy?


58 posted on 09/11/2011 7:33:28 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: smoothsailing

Bump!


59 posted on 09/11/2011 7:33:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bert

It is true.

Just like truths about Barry, the Imposter, many refuse to believe the facts.

I would not be surprised if there ws a split away from the rlite eastern cabal of states & that the following set up their own Western States of America:

Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Kansas
Nebraska
S Dakota
N Dakota
Montana
Wyoming
Idaho
Utah
Colorado
Nevada

They have enough resources between themselves & they know how to grow food & make things & drill for oil & mine for coal & other resources.

When the power goes out east of the Mississippi, maybe someone will get the hint.


60 posted on 09/11/2011 7:36:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

What makes massa2shits a nit-pickers paradise? What the hell is two days, maybe it was a cool day 2 days past “official” Spring and the writer felt like Spring. The point was about Hood’s Texans, not the season.


61 posted on 09/11/2011 7:37:15 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, I’ve seen this posted over and over and over again. It shows absolutely nothing about the mixed feelings of Texan posters about Perry, which is what my post was about.


62 posted on 09/11/2011 7:38:30 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SoJoCo
Perhaps, just perhaps, the point isn't whether Texans think they can actually legally do it, perhaps the point is a whole bunch of dumb Texans think thay can do it.

And that's one of those dumb Texas things that I just love about Texas and another reason I'm glad to be a dumb proud Texan.

Maybe if more Americans thought that way about the Feds things would be a lot different.

63 posted on 09/11/2011 7:41:30 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: jla

I had a leftist friend trying to make a big deal about not naming two climate scientists who didn’t agree with global warming. All I could say was, “are you kidding?”

Talk about a stupid leftist gotcha question. I thought Perry handled it very well. He stuck to his points, although he could have also turned it on the jack wagon who asked the question and said, “are you kidding? I will get you a list of scientists after the debate, or you can google it yourself!”

now, in a national TV debate, lets ask Barack a question like, “Mr. Obama, you said there are 57 states, can you name 10, their capitals and their governors?” and watch him um, ahm, and choke.


64 posted on 09/11/2011 7:41:30 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: SoJoCo

Your little troll venture will be nifty talk back over on your home turf DU.

Keep up the newby troublemaker role dude, then you can cry about zot to your KOS cross-dressin friends.


65 posted on 09/11/2011 7:44:16 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Blue Ink

There are a lot of good parts to California. Can we just build a fence around San Francisco and Los Angeles and then kick those cities out of the union?

We could repeat the process for several other leftist urban hell holes around country. Detroit, parts of New York, Philadelphia, etc.

We could make it temporary and bring them back in after all the rioting had finished and society has restored itself.


66 posted on 09/11/2011 7:46:24 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: FreeAtlanta
~rolling eyes~

I was being sarcastic. Unlike a certain gal from Wasilla, I am 100pc sure Perry could ably respond if asked what he reads.

67 posted on 09/11/2011 7:49:38 AM PDT by jla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There you’ve gone and done it, reminding all the pothead PDS paulnut coyotes about the talking points list faxed over from ronpaul. Lack of response to the little Martian Doctor’s “Sexting Perry” ad had em in a daze.


68 posted on 09/11/2011 7:53:20 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; SoJoCo
But he's right... See the US Supreme Court decision Texas v. White from 1869 which found 'that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"'.

Secession of a State only happens, per the SC decision, with the consent of the remainder of the States.

69 posted on 09/11/2011 7:57:10 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: SoJoCo

Welcome to FR... I’ve been a LONG time lurker, but a more recent participant (like you), and found that many here love to get lazy about facts and logic and simply resort to “n00b shut up” type approaches - the appeal to seniority as a method of validation of position.

That strikes me more as a hard-core, Leftist union approach, but here on FR - it passes as sound reason for some!


70 posted on 09/11/2011 8:02:28 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Prokopton

Keep on beleiving that. Even with Soros secret backing $, ronpaul was never going anywhere except down to the ashcan of history. You can even see the embarrasment in Rand.

Are you coming out of the ronpaul closet, not to hide under Palin’s skirt any longer? Regretably, one reason Sarah has fallen in favor points right back to the paulnutz who trash Perry and run back to hide, screaming “I love Sarah”.
If that’s the real Palin supporters, then no thanks, maybe she really was just a shooting star.


71 posted on 09/11/2011 8:06:09 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: FromTheSidelines

The point the writer is making (and I am agreeing with —w/ comment and links in my first post following the article) is that the MSM, the Left and anyone who wants to kick Perry (thinking it will make their candidate more appealing) will not look at what Perry said — only snip and twist it to say what they want others to think he said (meant, wanted, longed for, didn’t know....).


72 posted on 09/11/2011 8:08:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>"the mere fact that Islam is included in the curriculum represents supporting it. "

Ditto. Why is it Illegal to study the teachings of Jesus, or Moses then?

Go peddle your illuminutty figerpuppet praise somewhere else!

73 posted on 09/11/2011 8:21:50 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Ya think there’s security in numbers? 2 trolls.... LOL.

Post positive about your favorite CONSERVATIVE or carry it back on to the “other side of the aisle”.Uppity-ass newbies trying to make a name by being disruptive will be long forgotten.

As you have seen some here see it as duty to call out smear tacticians and distruptive posters, not just new ones. Since Perry has announced, we have had a wild ride of paul type snipers distorting and smearing with half-truths. Care to promote you candidate, you’ll find few “thinking FReepers” who will deride you for it, unless of course its not ronpaul or Mutt.


74 posted on 09/11/2011 8:23:10 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: dusttoyou
I tried to preemptively apologize for picking a nit. It's just that for the Army of Northern Virginia the difference between late spring and early summer was the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.

As William Faulkner observer, for Southerners of his generation, Pickett's Charge was the defining epoch of that era. Prior to, the South was ascendant, afterwards, hopelessly defeated.

Freemantle was a witness at Gettysburg (July 1-4) and went from there to New York, where he witnessed the New York Draft riots, July 13-16, departing for England before they were quelled. I think it would be interesting to know that Freemantle met Lee shortly before his incursion into Pennsylvania, escorted the Army of Northern Virginia into Pennsylvania and then proceeded to New York. He was incredibly fortuitous in his choice of place and time.

75 posted on 09/11/2011 8:28:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: dusttoyou

Wow, someone’s got a bit of derangement going on!

I’m a Herman Cain guy, but think Perry would also be a great President. He’s right about Social Security being a Ponzi scheme, and he’s done a good job with Texas.

However, the fact is pretty indisputable - Texas has no right to secede. The Supreme Court has ruled on this.

If pointing out things called facts leads you to call others troll, then you really need to re-evaluate your own position and beliefs. Perry’s right-on on most things, but if he actually claimed that Texas could legally secede - he’s flat out wrong.


76 posted on 09/11/2011 8:50:10 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Prokopton
I don't see any evidence that those opposing Perry are Ron Paul "wack-os".

The fact that you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I followed Perry threads from the beginning and am very supportive of honest efforts to vet all candidates. Perry included. But I noticed a few posters were obsessively posting the most negative Perry stories they could find. Even when it was politely pointed out that some were untrue, they persisted. They weren't vetting, they were intentionally smearing. I decided to research the posting history of several, and found they were enthusiastic Ron Paul cheerleaders, even openly declaring their intent was to destroy Perry. And yes, also using Palin as a "cover". An occasional mild Palin endorsement, but page after page of detailed defense of Grand Poobah Paul.

Don't believe it, fine. Do your own research. Just don't be surprised if you dig deep enough into the history of a few of the raging Perry anti-fanboys you won't discover some "Paul is just misunderstood" postings.

Some of the Paul supporters here on FR realize they have to fly under the radar in order to continue posting privileges. And since some are looking at the straw poll as validation of their political relevance, they are more aggressive, and stealthy, than ever in their efforts to push the Official Nut of Texas.

77 posted on 09/11/2011 8:59:57 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Servant of the Cross
I can't imagine any conservative listening to this speech and not believing this is a sincere, authentic and bold Conservative leader.

I'm more interested in what they do than what they say. We got burned badly by the last Texas governor who ended up in the White House. Importing a bunch of people who vote Democrat is not conservative.
78 posted on 09/11/2011 9:04:55 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Porkistan delenda est)
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To: Blue Ink
But what if all the states voted to give one the boot? Constitutional or not?

James Madison posed that very question when he said, "An inference from the doctrine that a single state has a right to secede at will from the rest, is that the rest would have an equal right to secede from it; in other words, to turn it, against its will, out of its union with them. Such a doctrine would not, till of late, have been palatable anywhere, on nowhere less so than where it is not most contended for."

It's pretty clear that Madison didn't think a state could be expelled against its will, any more than he thought a state could leave on its own accord. I'm not going to second guess him.

79 posted on 09/11/2011 9:26:52 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Prokopton
Polls in June showed Perry trailing Obama in Texas with Perry having a higher disapproval rating.

I doubt any such polls existed except maybe as a joke.

80 posted on 09/11/2011 9:28:58 AM PDT by Texan
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To: Proud_texan
Perhaps, just perhaps, the point isn't whether Texans think they can actually legally do it, perhaps the point is a whole bunch of dumb Texans think thay can do it.

Just because a whole bunch of dumb Texans think that they can do it doesn't mean they can. Any more that if a bunch of dumb Texans thought the world was flat would turn it into a board-shaped planet.

81 posted on 09/11/2011 9:29:09 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: dusttoyou
Your little troll venture will be nifty talk back over on your home turf DU.

If the talk over in DU is nifty then apparently you know that better than me.

82 posted on 09/11/2011 9:31:04 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: FromTheSidelines
That strikes me more as a hard-core, Leftist union approach, but here on FR - it passes as sound reason for some!

I certainly didn't expect to be called a troll merely for asking questions. I take it that 'troll' is a bad thing?

83 posted on 09/11/2011 9:32:24 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

You think Texans are dumb?

Where are you located?


84 posted on 09/11/2011 9:53:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Where are you located?

A couple of states north of you. But let me point out that I was quoting Proud-Texan, who used the term 'dumb Texan', and using the same words that poster had used.

85 posted on 09/11/2011 10:00:52 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

Yes. I saw that. You seemed to enjoy the turn of phrase and eagerly employed it in your reply.


86 posted on 09/11/2011 10:04:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yeah...The S word is SUCKERS!!!...to all you delusional Perrybots!!


87 posted on 09/11/2011 10:10:28 AM PDT by allsouthern
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yes. I saw that. You seemed to enjoy the turn of phrase and eagerly employed it in your reply.

Are you suggesting that the shoe does fit?

88 posted on 09/11/2011 10:12:12 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo; allsouthern

Cute.

Keep practicing and someday you too can match allsouthern’s wit and wisdom.


89 posted on 09/11/2011 10:14:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Thanks!


90 posted on 09/11/2011 10:14:52 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Cincinatus' Wife

I listened to that speech, and secession was never mentioned. He was talking more about states’ rights than anything else. He also said he and fellow Texans are fed up with DC tax and spend policies.


91 posted on 09/11/2011 10:26:19 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

To protect Obama, they’ll use the race card against anyone including Herman Cain.


92 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Did Perry say Texas could or would secede?

Don't worry, if it ever came down to that, no Supreme Court ruling will be a deterrent. No Liberal is going to tell Texas what to do for long. Don't Mess With Texas, is a lot more than just a slogan, its a state of mind.

From the sounds heard here on FR, it wouldn't be just Texas.

I don't know one Texan that doesn't consider America first, but with the likes of liberal north trying to turn us into Sweden, that love is for the more original America. Being ill-prepared in 1860 doomed the fight, but the spirit and will damn near overcame the industrial might. That spirit still flourishes along with the ability, these days.

93 posted on 09/11/2011 10:31:49 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Better put than by me! Thanks.


94 posted on 09/11/2011 10:35:48 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Proud_texan

“Perhaps...the point isn’t whether Texans think they can actually legally do it, perhaps the point is a whole bunch of dumb Texans think thay can do it.”

Hear hear. We would all be a little poorer without a Texas. Her history is unique worth studying.

Her orignal constitution did provide for succession and for splitting the Republic into 5 parts if the people so voted (they didn’t). The civil war changed all that. I think the state has had something like 4 or 5 constitutions over her history.

That said, every dang fool Texan I have ever met believes Texans have this right and I say good for them! Remember:

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
—Goldwater

Some rights are unalienable.


95 posted on 09/11/2011 10:54:49 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Keep practicing and someday you too can match allsouthern’s wit and wisdom.

And you will no doubt be there complaining as I do.

96 posted on 09/11/2011 11:28:25 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But you would think the former Al Gore supporter from Austin had read Jonathan Swift’s modest proposal for ending the Irish potato famine and cried “Eureaka!” in admiring response.

Tascott needs to study spelling, history, and literature. (Please tell me he's a lib.)

Dean Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland, from Being a Burden on Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick" in 1729. He died in 1745.

The Potato Famine began in 1845, one hundred years after Swift's death.

Oh, and Talcott misspelled "Eureka." That's a lot of ignorance to put on exhibit in a single sentence.

And I guess I should add that he either can't use a spell-check or believes he doesn't make mistakes.

The "Editorial Page Editor" apparently altered the original article to remove a repeated phrase ("who two years ago who two years ago"). However, the editor missed "when we came into the union in 1845" ("Union" should have been capitalized there and later). And "Perry was just indulging a familiar Texas past time of boasting" should have been edited to "indulging in" and "pastime."

From there, the article -- and the editing -- continued downhill (mostly funky capitalization and punctuation). Please tell me Talcott and his editor are libs.

TPH, whose grandfather, many long years ago, edited the Fresno Bee

97 posted on 09/11/2011 11:28:39 AM PDT by Tea Party Hobbit (The RINOs lack all conviction, and the Dems are full of passionate intensity)
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To: SoJoCo

“Such a doctrine would not, till of late, have been palatable anywhere, on nowhere less so than where it is not most contended for.”

I can’t understand this sentence. Can someone translate?


98 posted on 09/11/2011 12:16:26 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: mad_as_he$$
but the is NO path for it,

You obviously don't know the court case that you referenced. If you did you would know that there are two paths for secession:

"except through revolution or through consent of the States." from Texas-v-White

Neither one of the above paths need take years or decades. As a matter of fact, if pressed, I'm sure that most of the yankee states would happily consent to let the Southern conservative states go their own way so that the yankee states could chuck that antiquated old Constitution and embrace their long sought after socialist utopia.

99 posted on 09/11/2011 12:35:14 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Servant of the Cross

It was an awesome sounding speech. Then he backtracked a day or two later.


100 posted on 09/11/2011 12:45:24 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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