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GOP candidates' debate Monday will have a Tea Party flavor
Miami Herald ^ | September 11, 2011 | David Lightman

Posted on 09/11/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 09/11/2011 1:09:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Bachmann prepping to swing at Perry >>>Michele Bachmann is planning on using at tomorrow night's Florida debate to chip away at the support Rick Perry has taken from her:

"Bernie Madoff deals with Ponzi schemes, not the grandparents of America," says a Bachmann adviser. "Clearly she feels differently about the value of Social Security than Gov. Perry does. She believes Social Security needs to be saved, that it's an important safety net for Americans who have paid into it all their lives."

York goes on the say Bachmann's camp was unhappy with how few questions she got at last week's Reagan Library debate, and quotes the Bachmann adviser saying she will make clear she disagrees with Perry on Social Security if asked:

"Certainly not," the adviser says. "She strongly disagrees with his position on that, and it's clearly not something that's going to sit well with the people of Florida and Iowa and South Carolina and many of the early states, where there is a large population of seniors who rely heavily on Social Security. For [Perry] to scare them is wrong."<<<

2 posted on 09/11/2011 1:13:54 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Sept 7, 2011: 4 Minute YouTube VIDEO Clip: Perry Fires At Rove & Romney: Social Security Is A "Ponzi Scheme" And A "Monstrous Lie"

3 posted on 09/11/2011 1:15:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What time and what channel is the debate on?


4 posted on 09/11/2011 1:16:40 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Heads up, this one is going to be packed with Paultards. They tried to snatch up all the tickets including joining Tea Party groups that had tickets to get the ones for those groups.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?311910-CNN-Tea-Party-Express-Debate-September-12-2011-WE-NEED-TO-GET-PEOPLE-THERE-ASAP


5 posted on 09/11/2011 1:16:56 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: alicewonders

How about what day????


6 posted on 09/11/2011 1:18:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: mnehring

Thanks.

Someone needs to ask Bachmann about her plan.

......>>>Even before Perry entered the race, Bachmann was quite cautious on the issue of entitlement reform. She voted in favor of the Paul Ryan budget in the House last April, but on the presidential campaign trail she has made clear that if elected she would rely on her own plan, not Ryan’s. But she has offered no specific proposal on what she would do to rein in the cost of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security....<<<

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/bachmann-plans-hit-perry-social-security


7 posted on 09/11/2011 1:19:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The headline says Monday, but I don’t know when or where it will be televised. Does anybody know?


8 posted on 09/11/2011 1:21:13 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; alicewonders

Monday night Tampa, Florida debate - two-hour debate, co-sponsored by the Tea Party Express and CNN, at 8 p.m. EDT


9 posted on 09/11/2011 1:21:54 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks.


10 posted on 09/11/2011 1:22:46 PM PDT by alicewonders
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This should be a good debate, I’m really looking forward to it.


11 posted on 09/11/2011 1:24:21 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders; All

Next:

September 22, 2011 FOX News / Florida GOP Debate Orlando, FL

September 24, 2011 Florida GOP Straw Poll Orlando, FL


12 posted on 09/11/2011 1:25:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The islamization of America is the number one problem facing America, not the economy.

One thing you will not hear discussed in this debate or any other is what will these candidates do to stop the islamization of America.

France, England and most all of Europe is being dominated by islam...does anyone care, it is happening here.

13 posted on 09/11/2011 1:27:41 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks again!


14 posted on 09/11/2011 1:29:30 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just in case we forget, the Founders intended that power was to reside in "We, the People," not in those elected to serve us. Candidates would do well to use the Founders' own words to indicate that they understand that order of sovereignty under our Constitution's own requirements.

" Writings of James Madison - Vol. 6 (to James Monroe):

"If we advert to the nature of Republican Government, we shall find that the censorial power is in the people over the Government, and not in the Government over the people."

In 1788, in "Letters from a Federal Farmer," Richard Henry Lee (a Signer of the Declaration of Independence), during the debates on the Constitution, wrote:

January 20, 1788

(Excerpt)

". . . . The supreme power is undoubtedly in the people, and it is a principle well-established in my mind, that they reserve all powers not expressly delegated by them to those who govern; this is as true in forming a state as in forming a federal government. . . . People, and very wisely too, like to be express and explicit about their essential rights, and not to be forced to claim them on the precarious and unascertained tenure of inferences and general principles, knowing that in any controversy between them and their rulers, concerning those rights, disputes may be endless, and nothing certain—But admitting, on the general principle, that all rights are reserved of course, which are not expressly surrendered, the people could with sufficient certainty assert their rights on all occasions, and establish them with ease, still there are infinite advantages in particularly enumerating many of the most essential rights reserved in all cases; and as to the less important ones, we may declare in general terms, that all not expressly surrendered are reserved. We do not by declarations change the nature of things, or create new truths, but we give existence, or at least establish in the minds of the people truths and principles which they might never otherwise have thought of, or soon forgot. If a nation means its systems, religious or political, shall have duration, it ought to recognize the leading principles of them in the front page of every family book. What is the usefulness of a truth in theory, unless it exists constantly in the minds of the people, and has their assent: we discern certain rights, as the freedom of the press, and the trial by jury, etc. which the people of England and of America of course believe to be sacred, and essential to their political happiness, and this belief in them is the result of ideas at first suggested to them by a few able men, and of subsequent experience; while the people of some other countries hear these rights mentioned with the utmost indifference; they think the privilege of existing at the will of a despot much preferable to them. Why this difference among beings in every way formed alike? The reason of the difference is obvious—it is the effect of education, a series of notions impressed upon the minds of the people by examples, precepts and declarations. When the people of England got together, at the time they formed Magna Charta, they did not consider it sufficient, that they were indisputably entitled to certain natural and inalienable rights, not depending on silent titles, they, by a declaratory act, expressly recognized them, and explicitly declared to all the world, that they were entitled to enjoy those rights; they made an instrument in writing, and enumerated those they then thought essential, or in danger, and this wise men saw was not sufficient; and therefore, that the people might not forget these rights, and gradually become prepared for arbitrary government, their discerning and honest leaders caused this instrument to be confirmed nearly forty times, and to be read twice a year in public places, not that it would lose its validity without such confirmations, but to fix the contents of it in the minds of the people, as they successively come upon the stage. Men, in some countries do not remain free, merely because they are entitled to natural and inalienable rights; men in all countries are entitled to them, not because their ancestors once got together and enumerated them on paper, but because, by repeated negotiations and declarations, all parties are brought to realize them, and of course to believe them to be sacred. Were it necessary, I might show the wisdom of our past conduct, as a people, in not merely comforting ourselves that we were entitled to freedom, but in constantly keeping in view, in addresses, bills of rights, in newspapers, etc. the particular principles on which our freedom must always depend."

15 posted on 09/11/2011 1:30:03 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He never should have answered the SS question as being a “Ponze Scheme”. It was not a very bright move, and as they like to say a a lot about Palin... “not very Presidential”.

Palin ‘schooled’ him on how to respond to that.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 1:32:20 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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"Republicans need to be having a cage fight to see who can best eliminate all the government waste." -- Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation.

WTF? "Eliminate waste"?? Every politician running for national office since I was a wee lad have promised to "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse." Hasn't happened and never will happen because it is way too easy to make tons of money in the government racket.

Judson, if you want to make inconsequential nibbles around the edge of the problem, then go home. You should have said they need to debate eliminating whole departments that do nothing but ruin America. EPA, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, and Commerce would be good starters.

17 posted on 09/11/2011 1:32:26 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Dang! I though squishies like Rollins were gone. Oh well, I guess she might need to spray out a little more 409 if this idiot is speaking out of place.

If she does endorse going down this road, the Congressional Tea Party Caucus will be soon voting for a new leader.


18 posted on 09/11/2011 1:33:10 PM PDT by mazda77
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife
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Ads like that don't always work in Republican primaries. Republican primary voters know that Republican candidates get smeared with lies and distortions about Social Security. Romney could just be telling die hard Republicans which candidate is the "real Republican" with that ad. Most Republican voters (especially primary voters) know they should vote for the "scary" candidate when they get an ad like that.

I don't want Romney. Romney will never have my vote.

I'm not sure about Perry. He's not my first choice. I'm waiting on Sarah Palin to make her announcement. She's my first choice. Herman Cain also looks very interesting.

We don't need another establishment politician.

Actually, if any candidate promises to be a Republican Grover Cleveland, that would get my vote. We need a President who can veto the progressive, extra-constitutional crap that comes out of Congress. One who knows how to use a veto pen and can write words like, "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to …"

We need someone who is willing to break Cleveland's record for most vetoes in a single congressional session (212, in the 50th Congress) and most vetoes in a single presidential term (414 in his first term).

19 posted on 09/11/2011 1:33:15 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Palin schooled him? I didn’t see her at the debate..did she tweet this or have somebody post it on facebook for her ?


20 posted on 09/11/2011 1:34:52 PM PDT by magritte
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To: PoloSec

Any radicalization is not welcome.

And that’s just one of the many reasons to get the WH out of progressive hands (and the Senate along with the House — and a stronger SC balance and more conservatives in state office and as governors). We need to nominate a strong conservative candidate willing to speak the truth, who will rally the nation and take it to D.C.

That nominee is Gov. Rick Perry.


21 posted on 09/11/2011 1:35:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Bronze Titan
He never should have answered the SS question as being a “Ponze Scheme”. It was not a very bright move, and as they like to say a a lot about Palin... “not very Presidential”. Palin ‘schooled’ him on how to respond to that.

I sure hope someone asks Perry IF he has figured out that a mandate is a tax without representation. Conservatives are not deceived by masking an executive order as a mandate as NOT being a TAX.

22 posted on 09/11/2011 1:38:25 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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.......One who knows how to use a veto pen....

The Vetoes of Rick Perry As Texas governor, he broke records and earned conservative support -- In Texas, they called it the “Father’s Day Massacre.”...........

23 posted on 09/11/2011 1:39:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Bronze Titan

Maybe she’ll “school” Bachmann next, or Romney, or Cain, or Newt.....


24 posted on 09/11/2011 1:41:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry should just change that ad and go after Romney’s health plan. Instead of the American flag theme for Romney, change the “O” to look like Obama’s logo.

Then tag it with, RomneyCare, ObamCare. Same plan same taxes. Same Washington.


25 posted on 09/11/2011 1:42:55 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

And since Gov. Rick Perry is already facing down the EPA and the Dept of Ed and the trial lawyers — he’s got the inside track.


26 posted on 09/11/2011 1:43:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I can’t wait for the response from the Perry camp.

Mitt’s probably all wee-weed up thinking about when it will hit.


27 posted on 09/11/2011 1:44:43 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve been pretty busy this past week, but something I don’t remember seeing are any new poll numbers after the last debate. There are people saying that Perry made a big mistake by calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme” - have his poll numbers gone down? Up? Stayed the same?

I liked that Perry didn’t back down about this, to me, that is an encouraging sign of the type of core strength he has when the heat is on.

Has anyone seen a recent poll?


28 posted on 09/11/2011 1:45:34 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: mnehring
Who are these "Paultards" anyway, and how does he keep finding people who just completely give up their lives to do every little thing he tell them to do?
29 posted on 09/11/2011 1:49:35 PM PDT by casinva (Maybe it's time to have some provocative language. (PERRY / CAIN 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I predict this debate will suck. CNN? The Tea Party? LOL! No one group represents the Tea Party, it’s like a herd of cats with no leaders, just a common theme.

I predict the whole debate and the questions presented by CNN will make the Tea Party look like a bunch of extreemists and nuts. I also hope the candidates don’t attack each other to try to gain points just because they were asked a loaded question. Newt did a good job last time of putting the press in it’s place. I hope the candidates don’t pile on Perry because of Social Security being a Ponzi scheme. We all know it is....so maybe they will talk solutions, Cain did....


30 posted on 09/11/2011 1:50:52 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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Who are these "Paultards" anyway, and how does he keep finding people who just completely give up their lives to do every little thing he tell them to do?

Mostly college kids looking for 'someone from the government who is here to help' legalize weed.

31 posted on 09/11/2011 1:51:30 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Republicans need to be having a cage fight to see who can best eliminate all the government waste...

Conservatives know the premise of that statement is in left field. If you want to eliminate, say, 20% of government waste... you would make a good start by eliminating 20% of government. By definition, government IS waste. Unless its doing what its supposed to do, such as national defense.

32 posted on 09/11/2011 1:54:15 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There hasn’t been a poll of the race since the 1st of September, I am dying to know where the race stands at the moment, and how and if the debate affected everyones numbers.


33 posted on 09/11/2011 1:54:27 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: casinva

If you would like to see one of these supporters up close, here is a thread from a couple days ago. Link at thread has interesting video of one of these dopes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2775061/posts


34 posted on 09/11/2011 1:58:17 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Something tells me that the (absence of) poll numbers are going in Perry's direction - if Romney or Huntsman's numbers had gone up - they would be showing it all the time. It's strange that there aren't any updated numbers.
35 posted on 09/11/2011 2:00:11 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: mnehring

Oooooooohhhhhhhh.... got it!

Hey, I wonder what “joints” he finds those guys in? LOL


36 posted on 09/11/2011 2:00:29 PM PDT by casinva (Maybe it's time to have some provocative language. (PERRY / CAIN 2012)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I bet the campaigns are doing constant internal polling. I did see this:

Those familiar with candidate:

Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin, who still have not ruled out entering the race, are also well-liked by Republicans (74% and 69% favorable ratings, respectively), but also do not generate the same degree of strong intense feeling as Perry and Cain. Giuliani's current Positive Intensity Score is 15 and Palin's is 13.

Perry Remains Best-Positioned Candidate

Perry's combination of high name recognition and a high Positive Intensity Score help make him the best-positioned candidate for the Republican nomination at this point, underscored by his lead in Republican nomination preferences. Cain's enthusiastic support is offset by his low name recognition, and other well-known candidates like Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Ron Paul, do not generate the same level of intense feeling as Perry.

Source

Perry has room to grow within his name recognition numbers.


37 posted on 09/11/2011 2:02:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Wonderful. I wasn't aware of Perry's veto record in Texas.

That's half the battle. Now, about those specific words. …

Here I am less impressed. Perry's argument on Social Security is that it's a Ponzi Scheme and that it's unsustainable. That's part of the problem. Now, if we take James Madison at his word (after all, he did write the "general welfare" clause), where in the enumerated powers delegated to the federal Congress did We the People grant Congress the authority to set up any retirement program, let alone one that is structured as a Ponzi scheme.

Why isn't Perry asking that question in public as well? If he's going to take on "entitlements," thats one thing that needs to be brough out.

This country has lost our way. One thing that TEA Partiers know is that the Constitution still matters. To the "Ruling class," the Constitution is an impediment to "progress."

It's not just Obama and the Democrats that believe this. The establishment, "ruling class" Republicans have no respect for constitutional limitations either. Where in the enumerated powers delegated to the federal Congress did We the People grant Congress the authority to set up a "prescription drug insurance program." When that was being discussed, I asked my (alegedly conservative) Republican Congress Critter that question, and got no real answer, just stammering and "Chewbacca defense."

We'll see if issues like this come up in the debate Monday. I hope someone will ask questions like this. I look forward to hearing the answers.

In general, Repulicans (establishment, ruling class Republicans) pay lip service to "limited government," but they believe in some amorphous, undefined limits, and when they get control (witness 2001 through 2006), they expand those limits to suit their whims. Campaign Finance reform and prescription drug "benefits" are two obvious examples.

This country needs to return to our Constitutional roots. If any candidate wants to lead in that direction, I'd be behind them 100%. But I don't hear that from very many Republicans.

38 posted on 09/11/2011 2:05:39 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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Newt and Cain are good levelers and antidotes to the msm attack questions — but CNN? after MSNBC? Oh well.... Next week Fox and they’ll probably try to be extra tough so they won’t be accused of being “soft” (fair).


39 posted on 09/11/2011 2:05:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Bronze Titan

Let’s not let the TRUTH be told.


40 posted on 09/11/2011 2:08:10 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How RINO of her.


41 posted on 09/11/2011 2:09:41 PM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: cc2k

I think the conservative tide is coming in and will bring with it less lip service and more action.

That is my hope and my prayer.


42 posted on 09/11/2011 2:09:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lazlo in PA; mnehring

Lazlo, I went to that thread you posted and watched those youtubes.

Not only did they confirm mnehring’s answer as to who the “Pautards” are, they also gave me a good laugh for today! How funny! Thanks for sharing.


43 posted on 09/11/2011 2:17:59 PM PDT by casinva (Maybe it's time to have some provocative language. (PERRY / CAIN 2012)
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To: RockinRight

Romney and Bachmann are getting the jump on the MSM.....

“The Goldwater Talking Point” (gearing up for Rick Perry)

>>>>>>”......Whenever a President is embattled, the media falls back to Truman.

But there is something else the media does — and typically does because of a leftward bias, a reliance on both establishment Republicans in Washington as their chief GOP sources and their Democratic friends as Democratic sources— they compare the Republican Primary to 1964.

Every conservative candidate must withstand the “Is he Barry Goldwater” question. Never mind that Barry Goldwater has been tried repeatedly by the Democrats and the only person it ever worked against was Barry Goldwater.

The Democrats have made clear, and the media is seizing on, President Obama’s campaign statements that if Rick Perry is the nominee, they’ll go with Goldwater 1964 and if Mitt Romney is the nominee, they’ll go with John Kerry 2004 as the flip flopping opportunist. Neither of these will work this year and all you have to do is follow along as I step in the way back machine and take you back to the news as it existed on the campaign trail of 1979 and 1980.

“Is defeat probable for GOP if Reagan wins nomination?” blared the headline of the Christian Science Monitor on March 5, 1980. That was just the start of it.“Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?” wrote Richard J. Cattani in that Christian Science Monitor article. He continued,

“Reagan is the opponent of choice for Carter,” says I. A. Lewis, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll, a point on which most analysts agree. “But Reagan can reach across and cause mischief in the Democratic constituency,” Mr. Lewis says. “Reagan appeals to blue collar, working-class voters. He can win Democratic votes.”

“Carter could beat Reagan more easily than he could Bush or Baker,” Mr. Lewis says. “A moderate Republican would appeal to moderate Democrats, while upper-income Republicans might defect from Reagan to the Demcorats. Ford is of course, the strogest in the polls against Carter. But if he became a candidate, he could sink the same way Kennedy did after he declared.”

Elections analyst Richard Scammon, who thinks a candidate must command the political center to win the presidency, gives neither Reagan nor Ford much chance.

The Christian Science Monitor led the field for the month of March with a number of overwrought “analyses” on just how vulnerable Ronald Reagan was as a far right extremist. ........”<<<<<


44 posted on 09/11/2011 2:30:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RockinRight

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2767139/posts

Link to the “Goldwater” piece excerpted above.


45 posted on 09/11/2011 2:32:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Bronze Titan

No she didn’t. She was doing her job on Fox and had way more time to answer due to show prep and more than a minute to answer.


46 posted on 09/11/2011 2:48:05 PM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

thanks!

this time I will watch it starting at EIGHT!!!!

Last one I thought was at nine...yeesh!


47 posted on 09/11/2011 3:00:21 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS AMERICA !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Don’t forget, she can also “school” Reagan


48 posted on 09/11/2011 3:01:43 PM PDT by famousdayandyear
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I just wish these candidates will quit attacking each other’s position and making themslelves into bait for the Democrats and MSM. That’s where Herman Cain has stood out. He adds a touch of class to the whole affair, that’s why they won’t ask him many questions. Even if he has no chance, I would love to see him take a cabinet job in whoever’s administration....


49 posted on 09/11/2011 3:25:02 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
EIGHT!!!! -- East Coast
50 posted on 09/11/2011 3:25:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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