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GOP candidates' debate Monday will have a Tea Party flavor
Miami Herald ^ | September 11, 2011 | David Lightman

Posted on 09/11/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Trteamer
I don't see Herman Cain as a shrinking violet or someone a smart leader wouldn't put to good use for the country.

Look at Cain's positives, back a few posts on this thread.

51 posted on 09/11/2011 3:28:56 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Submit questions for the debate
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/09/cnntea-party-debate-sept-12-in-tampa/

All the debates videos here
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/


52 posted on 09/11/2011 3:31:37 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Cash for clunkers, subsidies - none has worked. The left =one-trick pony on the economy $pend)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Thanks for the info and LINKS!


53 posted on 09/11/2011 3:35:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PoloSec

All of the ongoing and worsening U.S. illegal immigration problems are not being tackled “to the max”, either! More amnesty for illegal immigrants could kill off U.S. capitalism and U.S. conservatism, on all of the issues, as well as give the left a bunch of new, pro-leftist voters, each and every day onward!


54 posted on 09/11/2011 3:47:29 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The "Romney for President" organization has just committed political suicide.

That kind of nonsense might work on the morons that vote for democrats, but pisses off GOP primary voters big time.

Al Sharpton has a better shot at the GOP nomination at this point.

55 posted on 09/11/2011 3:47:45 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: loveliberty2
But in his economic blueprint, released last week, Romney lauded the movement, saying, "The rise of the tea party is a classic instance of the self-correcting forces of American democracy in action."

Somebody ought to tell this degenerate con man that America is a Constitutional Republic.

Democracies always die.

56 posted on 09/11/2011 3:52:59 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CNN, at 8 p.m. EDT

So, we have to put up with those idiot "Coke or Pepsi" questions again? Thanks for the info.

57 posted on 09/11/2011 4:00:49 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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Angry electorate helps sustain tea party

By Rachel Streitfeld, CNN Political Producer
September 11, 2011 12:29 p.m. EDT

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For those who doubt the movement has moved toward the mainstream, the Tea Party Express will join CNN on Monday night to host a nationally televised forum where eight GOP presidential candidates will vie for tea party support.......

"We're not a protest movement anymore; we've morphed into something else," said Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, which has helped support tea party groups around the country. "We're a get-out-the-vote machine. We're organizing at the community level." ........

Tea Party Express Co-Chairman Amy Kremer said as the movement continues to mature, tea partiers are increasingly recognizing their activism can change outcomes in Washington. The bloc has become so powerful, she said, that a Republican could not win his or her party's nomination without tea party support.

"We're not going to sit back and just let the Republican party hand us the nominee," she said. "We're going to choose the nominee." .....

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58 posted on 09/11/2011 4:04:00 PM PDT by deport
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We’ll be at the follow-up party!!


59 posted on 09/11/2011 4:06:26 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WHAT???? I thought you were for Perry???


60 posted on 09/11/2011 4:08:54 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: casinva

Paultards are all KIDS wanting Grass to be legalized!!! They are IDIOTS and Paul is a NUT!!


61 posted on 09/11/2011 4:12:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cc2k

“Why isn’t Perry asking that question [constitutionality of SocSec] in public as well?”

Because the horse left that barn 70 years ago.

In his book Fed Up Perry does make points wrt unconstitutionality/dubious constitutionality of the new deal stuff. But its not a core argument in a campaign because the constitutionality of things are decided by the Supreme Court. If it’s unconstitutional, you need to convince SCOTUS, president cant change that no matter his opinion.

You THEN have the question of how a program that has been in existence for 70 years and which is being counted on by millions for retirement can be amended, fixed or eliminated. They dont want to be screwed out of the benefits they were ‘promised’. Complaining about Social Security and pointing out its flaws, without being clear about what your fix is, only hands the Democrats a club in the campaign - “oh, you want to kill grandpa”.

So the REAL question that needs to be answered is:
WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO FIX THE FLAWS AND CRAFT A BETTER SOLUTION?

Perry will not be afraid to point out that the Constitution does limit the Federal govt, and will, if the nominee, be the first nominee in a long time to make that case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbV8AUvOEWI&feature=relmfu


62 posted on 09/11/2011 4:15:40 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

GOT IT! HA.


63 posted on 09/11/2011 4:30:41 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS AMERICA !)
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To: Rome2000; All
Indeed, as Franklin said upon exiting the Convention, it is "A Republic, ma'am, if you can keep it."

Others of the Founders described it as having "democratic" features, though they "soundly rejected" forming a pure "democracy."

Former President John Quincy Adams, in his "Jubilee" Address in 1839, spoke of ours as a "democratic republic." In another statement in that Address, he also made this strong statement about limitations on the President:

"The President himself is no more than a representative of public opinion at the time of his election; and as public opinion is subject to great and frequent fluctuations, he must accommodate his policy to them; or the people will speedily give him a successor; or either House of Congress will effectually control his power. It is thus, and in no other sense that the Constitution of the United States is democratic - for the government of our country, instead of a Democracy the most simple, is the most complicated government on the face of the globe. - John Quincy Adams

64 posted on 09/11/2011 4:45:14 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: The Bronze Titan

Gonna be fun to hear the crawfishin when its Perry/Palin.


65 posted on 09/11/2011 4:54:46 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
“...whole departments that do nothing but ruin America. EPA, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, and Commerce would be good starters.”

Totally agree.
Then change the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of WAR (as pre-1950). Staff it with US Military veterans and release the other bureaucrats.

66 posted on 09/11/2011 4:58:08 PM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
“...whole departments that do nothing but ruin America. EPA, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, and Commerce would be good starters.”

Totally agree.
Then change the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of WAR (as pre-1950). Staff it with US Military veterans and release the other bureaucrats.

67 posted on 09/11/2011 4:58:08 PM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: casinva

Libertarians in GOP clothing. Their goal is anarchy, to do whatever comes to their sweet little minds and like the liberals latch on to whomever will pass the bong.


68 posted on 09/11/2011 5:02:30 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: mazda77
If she [Bachmann] does endorse going down this road, the Congressional Tea Party Caucus will be soon voting for a new leader.

Going down what road? Disagreeing with Rick Perry?

69 posted on 09/11/2011 5:14:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: PoloSec

“The islamization of America is the number one problem facing America, not the economy.”

America disagrees with you.


70 posted on 09/11/2011 5:33:21 PM PDT by Grunthor (If you are emotionally attached to any politician you are a light weight, a mental midget, a moron.)
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To: WOSG
WOSG wrote:
Because the horse left that barn 70 years ago.

In his book Fed Up Perry does make points wrt unconstitutionality/dubious constitutionality of the new deal stuff. But its not a core argument in a campaign because the constitutionality of things are decided by the Supreme Court. If it’s unconstitutional, you need to convince SCOTUS, president cant change that no matter his opinion.

You THEN have the question of how a program that has been in existence for 70 years and which is being counted on by millions for retirement can be amended, fixed or eliminated. They dont want to be screwed out of the benefits they were ‘promised’. Complaining about Social Security and pointing out its flaws, without being clear about what your fix is, only hands the Democrats a club in the campaign - “oh, you want to kill grandpa”.
  1. I guess I really need to get a copy of "Fed Up" and read it.
  2. It is important to know where candidates for President stand on issues of Constitutionality of things. It gives some insight into the type of judicial nominations they are likely to make.
  3. The only way to convince SCOTUS to overturn a precedent like that is to have a POTUS with good constitutional roots appoint some strict constructionists to the SCOTUS bench. The ones we have now obviously won't rule any other way.
  4. There's nothing that says that Congress can't repeal something if they believe its either ineffective or unconstitutional. It doesn't have to take a ruling from SCOTUS to get rid of a bad law.
  5. The Democrats will always tell Grandma and Grandpa that Republicans want to kill them. If Republicans don't propose a fix, it will be their fault that Social Security and Medicare are doomed to insolvency and failure. If they do propose a fix, the Democrats will say there is no problem and Republicans want to eliminate the program. Fear is the only weapon they have, and they will wield that and scare seniors no matter what Republicans propose. It's important that Republicans propose something sound that people understand will work, so that the Dems look foolish when they try to play the scare tactics.
  6. I do think it would help in the public discourse to point out issues of constitutionality and the actual limits on the federal government. It also helps to point out that the issues that the Dems try to use to divide people against each other are issues that the federal government shouldn't even be involved in. When was the last time you got into an argument with a liberal about a post office or a patent? Get the Congress out of this stuff and move the arguments to the states and local governments. There are advantages to that. People in different situations can come up with different solutions, and people can "vote with their feet," if all else fails and move to a state or locality which is more in harmony with their personal beliefs.

71 posted on 09/11/2011 5:55:29 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
?????????????


72 posted on 09/11/2011 6:04:23 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan
Creepy. But in fairness, one could find Bachmann's logo's red stripes "suspect"..... Maybe their artists all come from the same school of design.

Though I do view Perry's logo (as is the candidate) a step above the rest.


73 posted on 09/12/2011 1:57:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cc2k

Perry’s book “Fed Up” deals with the lack of Constitutional underpinnings for the national, mandated Social Security program. I recommend you go there for his views.

The fact that he is emphasizing Ponzi Scheme right now is an introduction to the public of his daring to touch the third rail of politics.

It is good tactics for now, because this is what people can wrap their minds around, that it is a Ponzi Scheme. You start there because that’s where people are.

Constitutional arguments are important, don’t misunderstand me, but people won’t want to start there. It makes people nervous when you say that because it suggests you might plan to ... as Romney’s new ad accuses Perry of already ... “kill Social Security”.

That confuses people into fearing that their current checks will be stopped.

Whereas, they can accept that the promises made on Social Security cannot be kept, that as Perry says, our kids must pay for it but themselves will never see a dime of it.


74 posted on 09/12/2011 6:46:13 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: calcowgirl

Nope, going down the road of trying to hide the truth about Social Security being a Ponzi Scheme, by trying to reclaim some of her lost votes to Perry’s surge by trying to use the same tactics Romney is using, scaring people that Perry will take away their Social Security benefits.

That road is not compatible with the Tea Party.


75 posted on 09/12/2011 6:55:32 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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