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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #5 - Sep. 12, 2011 8pm/5pm: Tampa, FL (CNN)
2012 Election Central ^ | Sept. 12, 2011 | CNN/Tea Party Express

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:14:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: CNN

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.


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To: potlatch
Innocent young girls? Does she get out much?

Polio vaccine--the effects of polio are devastating--I stuck up for Bob Bailey in the next block when, on his aluminum crutches, punks on bikes attacked him.

How is Bachmann going to reverse the Lady Gaga culture Clinton left us with.


1,651 posted on 09/12/2011 7:56:03 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PMAS

she so pandered to romney...probably wants the VP at this point.


1,652 posted on 09/12/2011 7:56:06 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: teg_76

I must have missed that. I was back and forth tending to kiddos. FWIW, I’m a Palin, Perry, and Cain supporter.


1,653 posted on 09/12/2011 7:56:06 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: jwalsh07

Texas is hardly the “land of Statist’s


1,654 posted on 09/12/2011 7:56:46 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: normy

So Palin made an accusation that Perry took Merck money in order to pass that bill..
Have to agree with you.
Palin and Bachmann are now off my list re this attack on Perry. Both were very passive aggressive in their responses to Greta.

I really liked Perry tonight.


1,655 posted on 09/12/2011 7:56:46 PM PDT by pugmama
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To: casinva
Here is what I understand: Perry chose it as a mandatory, opt out vaccination because .. if a vaccine is considered mandatory, it is covered by insurance companies. An opt out made it available without the $150.00 to $160.00 cost per child. If a parent wanted it, it was covered by insurance. If not, they could opt out.

THERE'S a conflict of interest. Making it opt-in really made the BIG DRUG COMPANY some easy gold extracted from the BIG INSURANCE COMPANY mine. If Perry was so all-gang-out set on protecting the Texas schoolgirls from cancer, why didn't he ask the legislature to subsidize a Public Health "need"? No. Instead he went the Obama-style route. EO money from my political enemies to my political friends.

1,656 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:07 PM PDT by bvw
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To: tomkat

we even had a troll give us a dissertation on Gardisol..ha.


1,657 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:24 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Freee-dame

I missed that. Greta really said that? That’s bad.

I thought Perry’s comment about the 5,000 was pretty damned stupid but he didn’t use the word “flip,” lol!


1,658 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:24 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: xzins
60% of the electorate is moderate to liberal. 40% is conservative.

From what nether region did you pull that garbage? Never mind! I can guess!

1,659 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:31 PM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Servant of the Cross
I agree with your assessment. MB is get’n a bit desperate...
1,660 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:33 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Bachmann is so far up ROnmeys arse, he will have to open his mouth so she can see!


1,661 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:46 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: World'sGoneInsane
Perot was third party and helped elect Clinton.

Exactly.

1,662 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:53 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: MagUSNRET

Oh, yea!


1,663 posted on 09/12/2011 7:58:12 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: MagUSNRET

I think we need our guys to be here.
We need them lined up all around the edges,
and in the nooks and cranies of this great country.
Sometimes I’m afraid that is why they have been
put elsewhere - because we are being invaded -
ever so quietly.


1,664 posted on 09/12/2011 7:58:18 PM PDT by savage woman (She's not running - she is strolling in with her high heeled shoes...)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Did I miss her announcement? As of this moment, she’s not running.

You know what the context was...and it wasn't "as of this moment"...you don't say to drop it or forget it unless you mean for good...not for the moment...

1,665 posted on 09/12/2011 7:58:20 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: comebacknewt

She is in fact running


1,666 posted on 09/12/2011 7:58:56 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: dragnet2; P-Marlowe; wmfights

Since he was talking about the young, and becoming contributing members, he was probably meaning those brought here by their parents through no fault of their own.

He thinks that’s best for the state of Texas to have those kids working on their education rather than being a burden on the state just hanging around getting in trouble.

He also made a point that no one heard, or at least didn’t respond to: “we share a 1200 mile border with Mexico”. He talked about them having agreements with one another.

I know that Ohio has an agreement with Kentucky (and probably Indiana, PA, MI, and WV, too) called “reciprocity” regarding in-state tuition for those in border counties getting reciprocal in-state tuition if they go to the other state’s schools. That makes sense to me.

It highlights to me that Texas just might have very good bordering country reasons for dealing differently with Mexico than does Ohio, and for the same reason that Ohio has good reason to have special arrangements with kentucky et al.


1,667 posted on 09/12/2011 7:58:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: rintense
I just watched it again on TIVO. I wasn't paying close attention the first time, but after watching it the second time, I think you are probably right.

For all intents and purposes, she just called Rick Perry a crook. Hard to endorse a guy after that, and somewhat surprising in that she just endorsed him for Governor two years ago and didn't seem to have a problem with it then.

Very strange. I'm no longer sure how this plays out from here.

1,668 posted on 09/12/2011 7:59:14 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: CaptainK

Just opt out.take responsibility as a parent.


1,669 posted on 09/12/2011 7:59:19 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Sorry you feel that way. I was trying to be helpful in a decision that may become hazardous to children whom really do not know better.

Thank you for your kind description of me...


1,670 posted on 09/12/2011 7:59:23 PM PDT by mazz44
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To: savage woman

Trust me...there are legions of us no longer in uniform, that are here to protect and defend


1,671 posted on 09/12/2011 7:59:52 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: crusty old prospector
Like it or not comrade, we all are mandated to take vaccines.

I'm not your comrade, commies have been my enemy for about 60 years now.

Ever been to public schools?

Yeah, with time off when I had mumps, measles and chicken pox. None of which I acquired while rubbing genitals.

What exactly is it that makes you think you're a conservative? Do you support Obamas mandates as well as Perry's or are you a pick and choose statist?

1,672 posted on 09/12/2011 8:00:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mwl8787

If you mean about Romney dragging her everywhere when she was ill and should have been in bed...

you might read it again

its a black mark against your uncaring Willie Mitty

not his wife...

as a mormon wife shes obligated to obey him and his unreasonable selfish demands...

regardless of her own health...


1,673 posted on 09/12/2011 8:00:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Will88

Well then she should have gone after Romney on RomneyCare which is 100% a law in place.
it may have been an accurate description of the appearance of a conflict of interest, but she alleged he basically took a bribe - just not right. And if she was going to throw out allegations, she could have thrown out hundreds against obama.


1,674 posted on 09/12/2011 8:00:48 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: Friendofgeorge

well you can be sure of one thing. this issue will be fully investigated and if there’s anything there it’ll come out.

I also had the same impression of his five grand remark. He wasn’t offended at the suggestion of being bought. He was offended that it only took 5 grand out of a 30 million haul.

She should have said “So, Governor, if it was say a few million then that would been enough for you?”

It’s like the line about what kind of woman do you think i am?


1,675 posted on 09/12/2011 8:00:50 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: McGavin999
I love Sarah, but she campaigned for McCain and helped to destroy the life of a good conservative along the way

I could not think of who you meant here--please let me know. Thanks.

1,676 posted on 09/12/2011 8:01:10 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: comebacknewt

it is called “politics” in other words...Do what you need to do to make certain YOu are the one who comes out on top no matter the cost....YOu know........LIARS!


1,677 posted on 09/12/2011 8:01:22 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: DRey

Michele was tough tonight. However, she is 100 percent correct that if this is not done in 2013 we are stuck with Obamacare for life. The full implementation takes place in 2014. I think people need to remember that. She is very schooled on it because it seems to be her passion to get rid of it. I think she was tough tonight but really no more difficult than any guy on the panel. They just don’t have that high pitched voice.


1,678 posted on 09/12/2011 8:01:22 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Will88

“And candidates in any primary will always make criticisms of opponents that the other party can use in the general election. Has always been that way and always will be. “

That’s why incumbancy is a huge advantage. 0 is gathering amunition at these debates.


1,679 posted on 09/12/2011 8:01:27 PM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: xzins

If governor Palin does not jump in the race before Iowa caucuses, and preferably before thanksgiving, it will be way too late after that.


1,680 posted on 09/12/2011 8:01:35 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

From the Perry-jungle (all the Perry plants) there’s a awful lot of disgusting fear-mongering about warts (aka HPV) going on. Thanks for the sanity and perspective.


1,681 posted on 09/12/2011 8:02:08 PM PDT by bvw
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To: mylife
Do your homework. Perry is vulnerable (IMO) on crony capitalism, as are many other politicians.

It's not a matter of simply accepting corporate contributions. It's a matter of what's done in return for those contributions and the non-arms length relationship between many politicians and corporations.

1,682 posted on 09/12/2011 8:02:18 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Friendofgeorge
I'll be shocked if she does.

Then again, her calling her friend Rick Perry a crook tonight was a shock too.

I guess we'll soon see.

1,683 posted on 09/12/2011 8:02:27 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

reality. get with it....UNTIL you secure the border and reform immigration from the backlog and create visas...any other options are ludicrous.


1,684 posted on 09/12/2011 8:02:30 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: napscoordinator

Michelle Bachmann in the HOUSE? ABSOLUTELY...Michelle Bachmann in the WHite House? NO WAY in HELL!


1,685 posted on 09/12/2011 8:02:58 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: MagUSNRET

I am sick of her pettiness.


1,686 posted on 09/12/2011 8:03:18 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: EDINVA

Good luck with presenting reality.


1,687 posted on 09/12/2011 8:03:23 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: KansasGirl

Bachmann isn’t going to be anybody’s VP.

Rubio will be vp with either Perry or Romney.

Bachmann tore into Perry because it is in her strategic advantage to cut into Perry’s vote. She needs to reclaim some of her support that went to Perry. If she builds up Romney, she hurts Perry.


1,688 posted on 09/12/2011 8:03:50 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: mylife
Texas is hardly the “land of Statist’s

Obviously, Texans told Rick Perry to take his Gardasil statist mandate and stick it where the sun don't shine. Yet that doesn't stop many here from defending it. Go figure.

1,689 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: pugmama
Palin and Bachmann are now off my list re this attack on Perry. Both were very passive aggressive in their responses to Greta. I really liked Perry tonight.

And Perry spoke at blatantly racist La Raza (lots of applause too) ...Biilderbergs (One World Order) ...wanted a huge imminent domain land grab with the TTC...so off MY list...how do you feel knowing my vote will cancel yours?

1,690 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:01 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

As with SS, Perry has a way of shaping “the next debate”


1,691 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:29 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

AGREED!


1,692 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:40 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: MagUSNRET

You should have seen Michelle on the CNN after interview...
“You can’t afford to maek a mistake!!!If you are President you can’t make a mistake, not one!”

she is scairy.and not presidential material.


1,693 posted on 09/12/2011 8:05:36 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: xzins; dragnet2; P-Marlowe; wmfights
I had previously indicated that I frankly have no problem with the "dread act" as it pertains to the states. The Texas dream act simply puts kids who were brought here by their parents illegally into the same shoes as other Texas kids. I would also support a limited amnesty for those kids. Through no fault of their own, these kids are basically children with no country. They have no contemporary ties to their parent's home country and they are effectively adults with nowhere to go.

Call me a RINO, but it is simply not a Christian thing to do to punish a kid for the sins of his parents.

1,694 posted on 09/12/2011 8:05:45 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Southnsoul

I think she confronted the issues head on with conviction and clarity.


1,695 posted on 09/12/2011 8:06:10 PM PDT by Actually_in_Tokyo (ahead of the game)
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To: mwl8787

Bachman is a conservative...but she is also a seof absorbed, self serving opportunist...hence, there is no way in hell the wehcn gets my vote


1,696 posted on 09/12/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: kristinn
If Perry's motive regarding the Gardasil order was to do a favor for a political supporter he doesn't deserve to be president.

If Perry's motive was to solve a problem -- whether he did it the right way or not -- and Palin is saying otherwise, she doesn't deserve the job.

Right now, I'm thinking that Sarah doesn't deserve the job.

1,697 posted on 09/12/2011 8:06:34 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: MagUSNRET

That is self absorbed wench, for those of you in Rio Linda


1,698 posted on 09/12/2011 8:07:06 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: MagUSNRET

Well I agree sort of. I would not mind her as President. She would probably do a pretty good job. I mean she is tough at least. After this debate, I HOPE and PRAY that Sarah gets in. She is really our only hope. Perry was toss and turned by the Republicans. How is he going to react when the heat really starts with Obama. I was floored when he said giving illegals tax funded reduced tuition to aliens is “The American Way”. Yieks. sorry but that is unsat. Plus I don’t like him blaming Obama over immigration. Jan of Arizona doesn’t complain, she does. Perry reminds me of Obama in that he blames others (President). is he going to blame Obama for everything during his presidency? Obama does that with Bush right now and it is really annoying.


1,699 posted on 09/12/2011 8:07:30 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: xzins
See #1580 where I posted the quote

Yes, in December 2009, almost two years ago about five months after she left office. And then she worked and worked hard for Republican candidates across the spectrum in 2010, most of whom were elected.

No, I don't think she's considering a third-party run. If she doesn't run as a Republican, she will be out there speaking her mind and setting the Republican/Tea Party agenda. I think that is her dilemma now - to run and be constrained by federal election laws, or to be a spokesperson on her terms for individual choice, free market principles and defender of the constitution.

1,700 posted on 09/12/2011 8:07:32 PM PDT by CedarDave (Hurricane Irene -- cleanup will give the economy the stimulus Obama wants (US taxpayers pay))
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