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McCain: Torture hurt us
Politico ^ | 2011-09-11 | Abby Phillip

Posted on 09/12/2011 8:26:04 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Sen. John McCain, a critic of President George W. Bush's use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” in the war on terror, reflected on the “issue of torture” a decade after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

“Abu Ghraib and the torture of prisoners hurt us a great deal and did provide a propaganda tool for our enemies including Al Qaeda,” the Arizona Republican said on "Fox News Sunday."

Noting that on the 10th anniversary of those attacks he did not want to dwell on his differences with the current and previous administration, McCain applauded both Bush and President Barack Obama for the advancements made in the war on terror.

“Many of the things that we did achieve were very laudable,” McCain said. The United States now has “vastly improved capabilities” to combat our enemies.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 10thanniversary; 911; abughraib; bastards; gitmo; guantanamobay; mccain; mccain4alqaeda; mccain4jihad; mccain4terrorists; mccaintruthfile; mcinsane; mclame; mcnuts; mcstain; torture; wot
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1 posted on 09/12/2011 8:26:09 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
Not as much as it hurt them.
2 posted on 09/12/2011 8:27:01 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: rabscuttle385

Torture HELPED US you lying POS RINO.


3 posted on 09/12/2011 8:28:25 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It wasn’t “torture” until fools like McCain allowed the term to be redefined to include techniques that do no injury at all.


4 posted on 09/12/2011 8:30:00 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: rabscuttle385
I live for the day that this RINO POS is no longer in the US Senate.
5 posted on 09/12/2011 8:31:02 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: rabscuttle385

who hurt who?

6 posted on 09/12/2011 8:31:42 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: rabscuttle385

no, McPantStain, wafflers like you hurt us.


7 posted on 09/12/2011 8:32:11 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Doogle

i’ve seen that photo so many times. I have never figured out what the hell he was doing at that moment. Was he making a gesture to someone off-stage?


8 posted on 09/12/2011 8:33:41 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: rabscuttle385

No it was torturous to vote of you Sir. So I did not vote for you. I voted for Sarah Palin and hope to be able to have the privilege to do it again soon.


9 posted on 09/12/2011 8:33:47 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: lormand

McCain was never tortured in Vietnam. The fact he keeps harping on this is proof positive McCain doesn’t know what real torture is, hence he never experienced it.

If he had first hand experience with torture, he would know that what we may have done to the terrorists doesn’t come anywhere close.


10 posted on 09/12/2011 8:34:11 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: rabscuttle385

Defining things as torture, McCain just came up with his own standard.

For political reasons....torture can be described as making them listen to loud music, standing in the corner, what about throwing cold water on your face to keep you from sleeping?

I wouldn’t be surprised if they say locking someone up is torture in the future.


11 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:14 AM PDT by dila813
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To: rabscuttle385

Sorry, John, but you cannot be an objective observer given your history, Not a slam, just fact. What you and your fellow prisoners went through was unimaginable. However, it was done with cruelty as the objective; concern for physical well-being of the subject was non-existent. No rational observer would equate what you experienced to enhanced interrogation performed in the face of an existential threat. You are not that rational observer.


12 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sigh.... and they attacked us before any supposed torture why?? They haven’t successfully attacked us since 9-11 why?? Nothing we have done even remotely approaches what he and his fellow POW’s went through and has SAVED countless lives in the bargain.

Perhaps if the leakers out there would have kept their mouths shut and the word of our dastardly panties on the head torture of prisoners never got out we wouldn’t still be discussing this nonsense.


13 posted on 09/12/2011 8:36:48 AM PDT by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: rabscuttle385

Having Juan as the GOP 2008 candidate was torture.

It gave us Obama.

Having a photo taken with panties on my head would have been better. LOL


14 posted on 09/12/2011 8:36:57 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ilgipper

..during the nation wide debate,the clown got disorientated as to what direction to take..(entrance stage right)..so as not to look like a boob, he pull this stunt...(world wide)


15 posted on 09/12/2011 8:37:11 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: rabscuttle385
Sad and disappointing that McCain, who endured real torture, would equate elevate the Abu Graib incidents with that.
16 posted on 09/12/2011 8:37:45 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain IS torture.
17 posted on 09/12/2011 8:37:45 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: o2bfree
I think you are correct.

The fact that McCain left so many Vietnam era soldiers in country and over and over again never gave approval to search for them seems odd.
18 posted on 09/12/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: rabscuttle385

Abu Ghraib was not torture. They do worse things for frat initiations.


19 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:11 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rabscuttle385

20 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:42 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: o2bfree

McCain can’t lift his arms above his chest (watch when he waves) due to being hanged by his arms with them tied behind him while at the Hanoi Hilton..


21 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:48 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: rabscuttle385

Just because McCain is mentally ill does not mean you should disreagrd what he says.


22 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:51 AM PDT by veritas2002
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To: veritas2002
Just because McCain is mentally ill does not mean you should disreagrd what he says.

But nobody much is listening to him anymore. He has nobody's attention, on the Republican or Democrat side. He is largely irrelevant.

23 posted on 09/12/2011 8:44:06 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Doogle

I’ve seen that photo several times...do you know anything about it? What was the circumstance..and is it photoshopped?

Barring all that...McCain is a vile & despicable old man. What was AZ thinking in reelecting that POS?


24 posted on 09/12/2011 8:44:13 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry, Perry/Palin, Palin or Perry, Perry or Palin 2012....Any Questions?)
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To: rabscuttle385
Idiots like McCain conflating our “enhanced interrogation” with torture hurt us.

There is a huge difference between what we do and what people who engage in ACTUAL torture do.

Thus people on our side should always differentiate.

McCain was tortured and still carries the wounds decades later.

After a session of waterboarding a jihadist would be perfectly physically able to play a rousing game of racket ball.

25 posted on 09/12/2011 8:45:26 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain ..part of the blame America 1st crowd


26 posted on 09/12/2011 8:46:00 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Not as much as it hurt them.

Bingo!

And while I am usually quick to refute McQueeg's waffling due to his suppressed PTSD from captivity, for once I think this interpretation of his comments was a deliberate oversimplification by the headline writer. He is correct that it made us look bad.

But so what?

If wearing panties on one's head is the worst that happens to these hateful tools of Islamist terror masters, BFD.

27 posted on 09/12/2011 8:46:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: rabscuttle385
This guy by having experienced some of this, has a mind set that we do what the Vietnamese did, plus he is the wrong choice to be in leadership of any kind, is flawed..
28 posted on 09/12/2011 8:46:52 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: rabscuttle385

There are ways you can disagree with your country without exalting yourself and making it all about your moral superiority—but McCain always avoids them.


29 posted on 09/12/2011 8:48:42 AM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: rabscuttle385

McInsane is wrong...torture saved lives.


30 posted on 09/12/2011 8:50:45 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: rabscuttle385

FUJM


31 posted on 09/12/2011 2:12:43 PM PDT by Grunthor (If you are emotionally attached to any politician you are a light weight, a mental midget, a moron.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Conservatives: McCain tortures US.


32 posted on 09/12/2011 2:18:58 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NonValueAdded

Exactly. McCain WAS tortured, not merely PRESSURED to give information that if nonexistent, would have ended the torture sessions.


33 posted on 09/12/2011 2:20:44 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: rabscuttle385

His North Vietnamese communist captors are living rent free inside McCain’s head. McCain is so messed up he thinks our style of water boarding is torture. McCain gets to put on his moral superpower act since he got some real torture in captivity.


34 posted on 09/12/2011 2:28:34 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: rabscuttle385
John McCain must realize that 'waterboarding' (used on only a few 'high value' prisoners) and the kind of severe, long-term physical abuse he suffered in a North Vietnam prison as a POW are hardly comparable. That he chooses to conflate the two, knowing that the result of the waterboarding elicited valuable, life-saving information but claiming that it 'hurt us' is despicable and utterly false. That most Americans approve of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' such as 'waterboarding' on specific 'high value' prisoners captured during combat must really annoy McCain. Too bad. John McCain annoys me.
35 posted on 09/12/2011 2:29:54 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Exactly.

“Discomfort” is NOT torture!

(McCain’s RINO-ness is what hurt us.)


36 posted on 09/12/2011 2:34:23 PM PDT by Zman516
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To: rabscuttle385

I apologize for voting for him but there was no other way to vote for Sarah.


37 posted on 09/12/2011 2:41:02 PM PDT by Rytas
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To: rabscuttle385
Is he still alive? Oh... sorry. I was thinking of that OTHER socialistic clown.. They sure do LOOK the same, don't they?
38 posted on 09/12/2011 2:43:35 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: ilgipper

if you go to 1:29:10...you’ll catch a glimpse of clownie acting up......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvdfO0lq4rQ&NR=1

you can fast forward on this vid, just go to 1:29:00 and watch when the debate was concluded...


39 posted on 09/12/2011 2:43:36 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Rytas

Exactly ... and note to McLame ... it isn’t about you because Obama sucks all of the “ME ME ME ME” air out of the entire planet ...

TT


40 posted on 09/12/2011 2:48:59 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Thank you John McCain for your military service to your country and for giving Sarah Palin the VP nod.

Your work is done. Please retire.


41 posted on 09/12/2011 3:17:40 PM PDT by UnChained (The "stimulus" CAUSED the economy to tank.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“Abu Ghraib and the torture of prisoners hurt us a great deal and did provide a propaganda tool for our enemies including Al Qaeda,”...

and the New York Times and the Democratic Party.

42 posted on 09/12/2011 3:23:06 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: rabscuttle385

I am late in the game on this thread. First I saw it. What the hell is he spouting. Now for real he is trash. God he would suck as President along with Obama.


43 posted on 09/12/2011 3:54:20 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385

Can I have my vote back. Seriously I know I voted for Sarah like everyone else but this guy just plain sucks!!!!


44 posted on 09/12/2011 3:55:15 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385

Yes McLame torture does hurt so please stop torturing me!


45 posted on 09/12/2011 3:55:41 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: o2bfree

I’ve heard other guys who were POWs with McCain say that when he was dragged back to his cell after being tortured he was so badly beaten he was unable to move.


46 posted on 09/12/2011 4:00:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Rytas
I apologize for voting for him but there was no other way to vote for Sarah.

It's called a write-in vote.

No excuses.

47 posted on 09/12/2011 4:20:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=2881

Excerpts:

Poe: Yes, but McCain has a long history of collusion with the Shadow Party.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, Soros sponsored two so-called “Shadow Conventions,” held at the same time and in the same cities as the Republican and Democratic Conventions, in Philadelphia and Los Angeles respectively. Their purpose was to promote campaign finance reform. John McCain gave the keynote speech at the Philadelphia “Soros Convention” (as columnist Robert Novak dubbed it), while Russ Feingold did so at the LA event.

McCain’s service to the Shadow Party brought him financial benefits. In 2001, McCain founded the Reform Institute for Campaign and Election Issues. The Institute’s major funders were mostly leftwing foundations. Prominent among them was George Soros’ Open Society Institute.

Poe: As I said, the McCain-Feingold Act was a Trojan Horse. It made the Shadow Party possible. Among other things, it forced the Democratic Party into a financial crisis, enabling Soros to swoop in and buy up the Party at a bargain-basement price.

Democrats have traditionally relied on large, soft-money donations from unions, while Republicans relied more on small, “hard-money” donations from mom-and-pop donors. When McCain-Feingold outlawed soft-money donations to the parties, Republicans were not unduly hampered, but Democrats flew into a panic. They faced the real possibility of bankruptcy.

Enter George Soros. After forcing the Democrats into a fiscal crisis, he then offered to rescue them. He set up a network of non-profit, “issue-advocacy” groups – the Shadow Party – and invited all the big Democrat donors to contribute to his network. Thus they could still contribute to the Democrat cause, but without giving directly to the Party. The Party became dependent on Soros to raise campaign contributions which the law now forbade the Party itself to raise.


48 posted on 09/12/2011 4:20:52 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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“..after being tortured he was so badly beaten he was unable to move.”

That’s true and it explains his views even if he is dead wrong on waterboarding. He is a RINO jerk!


49 posted on 09/12/2011 4:46:45 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: rabscuttle385
Enhanced interrogation helped us.

Calling it toture hurt us.

50 posted on 09/12/2011 5:13:33 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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