Posted on 09/12/2011 3:45:19 PM PDT by NoLibZone
Heres the latest on who makes what from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (whose workers, well point out here, happen to be public employees):
Of course, the amount one earns is a function of the skills and education one possesses. Our colleague Jan Norman tells you a bit more about the breakdown by job type here.
It is often argued that many state and local government workers have higher educations and more specialized skills than private workers; and that the average private worker compensation is dragged down by the large service sector and its low wages.
We also hear from labor union reps who negotiated these fine pay packages for their members that jealous private sector workers shouldnt try to take their benefits away, but should instead try to force private industry to pay better. (Good luck with that, folks.)
Here are the numbers, which resonate in todays unemployment climate. The amount employers pay for retirement, paid leave and insurance are dramatically higher for public vs. private sector workers.
(Excerpt) Read more at taxdollars.ocregister.com ...
Amerikas nomenklatura
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=528809
For those who remember the old Soviet Union, it was a grim place at least for average citizens. But not so for those in government. Contrary to the official ideals of equality and a classless society that the ruling communist regime espoused, the USSR created a privileged class of party members inside government the nomenklatura.
This semipermanent bureaucracy earned higher incomes, got better health care, ate better food and had greater job security than average Russians, the much-despised proletarians. Today, our bloated federal government seems, in significant ways, to be creating this same dynamic.
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BECAUSE THEYRE ENTITLED TO ALL THAT...
It depents on the job. I made a lot more, both salary and benefits, in the private sector.
I also had more freedom for creativity.
Surprise, civil service unions have removed all fiscal reality from civil service compensation. If state bookkeepers’ pay were tied to private bookkeepers’ pay, for instance, things would be fairer (in an absolute sense) as well as easier on the taxpayer.
Wage and salary determinations are, in general, based on the same marketability for a person with a given education and experience for a specific job.
You already won that battle years and years ago. Unions have little input into job classifications.
Now, what about CEOs? How do you work them into the mix? Did you try? Do you know if there are any resources available so we can see what they are comparable to in the government?
For example, with federal employees there's only ONE CEO ~ the President. Your typical mid range corporate lawyer makes more than the President.
I think that argument can be made for those working for the Federal government. In other words, about half of those employed by the Federal government.
Simple solution ~ PROHIBIT all elected officials from participating in any scheme of remuneration that delays income (which is what retirement pay really is).
Just ban it.
If they want to steal let them try it NOW, not in some far distant future when they're just an account to which electronic checks are written.
Thanks NoLibZone. This gets a “No Sh*t” award nomination for the week.
A) It’s an old joke. (Q: How many people at the (name agency) work for the federal government? A: About half.)
B) I would say from experience that Federal workers are overpaid from the oldest to youngest.
Tell him he's overpaid.
Why would I start an argument for no reason?
On the other hand, I’m confident that I could hire people to do that job for less. Give me a year to weed out those who got hired but aren’t up to the job, I could save 1/3 of the current salaries and beni’s I think.
What do you think?
Let's say we stick just to letter carriers ~ they're just less than 10% of the total federal work force.
They don't make $129,000 per annum ~ let's just get that out of the way ~ and they are in prime health due to working jobs that require not only being able to lift 70 lbs, but doing so frequently.
For the most part they work outdoors.
They have to be able to read, write, and speak in ENGLISH. Whatever else they speak is their problem, but they have to do that in English on the job.
Their supervisors are supplied by the United States government.
I think that right there is your first problem ~ government supplied supervisors ~ hmmm.
And what is it you imagine you could do to a quarter million people to "weed out those aren't up to the job".
You could save 1/3 of the salaries?
Really, I don't think you have the slightest idea of the scale of the situation. Plus you have to manage the world's largest motor vehicle fleet!
Thanks, Civ.
“This gets a No Sh*t award nomination for the week.”
I thought my thread was getting the nomination.
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This isn't debatable.
I would. But he won’t deliver mail if there is 4 inches of snow, and if I don’t plow out the mail box from where the city packed it in. Of course I still have to work, so that might not happen until I get home.
I would. But he won’t deliver mail if there is 4 inches of snow, and if I don’t plow out the mail box from where the city packed it in. Of course I still have to work, so that might not happen until I get home.
I would. But he won’t deliver mail if there is 4 inches of snow, and if I don’t plow out the mail box from where the city packed it in. Of course I still have to work, so that might not happen until I get home.
Great guy.
He's retiring this year.
Your points are reasonable and fair. The only thing I’d add is that federal agencies have almost no ability to “right size” as a private company can, meaning many more people stay employed than may be necessary.
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