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As Perry Rises, G.O.P. Elite Look Toward Romney
NY Times ^

Posted on 09/12/2011 10:35:37 PM PDT by Borough Park

As Perry Rises, G.O.P. Elite Look Toward Romney By JEFF ZELENY and MICHAEL D. SHEAR

TAMPA, Fla. — The rising presidential candidacy of Gov. Rick Perry of Texas is stirring excitement for many Republican voters but is creating unease in some quarters of the party’s establishment, particularly over his views of Social Security, which are at the root of an intensifying competition with Mitt Romney.

The decision on Monday by Tim Pawlenty, a former Republican presidential rival, to support Mr. Romney’s campaign signals the beginning of an effort by some party leaders to try to slow the ascent of Mr. Perry — or to push him to explain positions that are considered provocative.

In announcing his endorsement on Monday, Mr. Pawlenty said he believed Mr. Romney was the only candidate with the “unique qualifications to confront and master our severe economic predicament.” The judgment of Mr. Pawlenty, who dropped out of the presidential race last month, was carefully watched by some Republicans because he knows both men well.

The endorsement was a visible marker in a quietly continuing battle for the soul and direction of the Republican Party between traditional party leaders and grass-roots conservatives. To some degree it is a clash of styles and of principle versus pragmatism, but it also encompasses foreign and domestic policy differences, some of which have surfaced as the presidential campaign has intensified.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; elitists; perry; perry2012; rickperry; rinos; romney; zots4romneybots

1 posted on 09/12/2011 10:35:38 PM PDT by Borough Park
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To: Borough Park
As Perry Rises, G.O.P. Elite New York Times Looks Toward Romney
2 posted on 09/12/2011 10:40:32 PM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Borough Park

seems almost everyone here is more interested in attacking Perry than Romney.


3 posted on 09/12/2011 10:45:26 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Borough Park

On a daily basis anymore, I hear the old Bush II hacks slamming and dinging Perry and propping up Mittens at every turn. That is all anyone needs to know about who the Elites are still putting their cash behind. Screw them.


4 posted on 09/12/2011 10:47:32 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Borough Park
I'm amazed that people who complain about "flip-flopping" can jump on the Perry bandwagon after he publishes a book that says one thing six months ago and then suddenly backpedals on many of those positions now.

At least Rick Perry wasn't enough of a hypocrite to go into the routine about whether government can force a person to buy a product or service. By executive order, he forced everyone in Texas who buys insurance to buy insurance that covers Gardasil vaccines. He's also forced everyone in Texas to buy in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

5 posted on 09/12/2011 10:47:45 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: preacher

Mittens and Newtie are two candidates that I absolutely refuse to support.


6 posted on 09/12/2011 10:49:54 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: ari-freedom
seems almost everyone here is more interested in attacking Perry than Romney.

Not everyone. Just a small vocal group who are still waiting for their candidate to make an appearance, if that ever happens. Perry is perceived to have stolen a reserved spot as frontrunner.

7 posted on 09/12/2011 10:51:36 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: WFTR

Perry v. Romney is McCain redo.


8 posted on 09/12/2011 10:52:55 PM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: Borough Park
If he is the nominee, he will need to explain his position on Social Security better than he has so far.

I'm not convinced it is necessarily electoral poison, but if he doesn't better explain his objections to the program and his plans for fixing it, he will be demagogued to death over it.

9 posted on 09/12/2011 10:53:23 PM PDT by comebacknewt (I have to say Newt has been very good in the debates.)
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To: Borough Park

I’m not completely sold on Perry. But the opposition of the R establishment makes me more comfortable.


10 posted on 09/12/2011 10:53:32 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Lazlo in PA

Ditto. I am of a mind to suss out who the GOP “elite” are backing.... then work to elect almost anyone else.


11 posted on 09/12/2011 10:56:33 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: magglepuss

explain what you mean... no one is as bad a candidate as McCain was, nobody...


12 posted on 09/12/2011 10:58:42 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Romney is as uncharismatic as Perry thinks he is charismatic. Time for the Republican establishment to step in and give us the worst possible, wishy-washiest candidate they can come up with.
Well that’s what we (they ) want. Right!?


13 posted on 09/12/2011 11:02:24 PM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: magglepuss

Yeah yeah. Perry is a RINO. So who is your candidate and explain to me how the establishment is keeping them down.


14 posted on 09/12/2011 11:07:34 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

OK Just to be a jerk, you tell me how Ford, Dole , and McCain are the best we can do on the right in the years we have failed.


15 posted on 09/12/2011 11:11:11 PM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: magglepuss

And I have lived here in Texas under the governorship of Perry for the history making last 10 years. The man has positives and negatives. Tort reform was his best, cronyism invites some skepticism!


16 posted on 09/12/2011 11:16:31 PM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: magglepuss

I am not on the Perry is a phony bandwagon. I don’t see how a guy elected a few times in a state like TX with that population is an Establishment man like the folks you mentioned.


17 posted on 09/12/2011 11:17:59 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Yeah yeah. Perry is a RINO. So who is your candidate and explain to me how the establishment is keeping them down.

I agree with you Lazlo. There are many who post here who simple don't understand politics. And they are foolish enough to believe the rest of the country thinks like they do. They would much rather lose an election to make a point rather than back a candidate who doesn't share 100% of their views.

Nothing short of Palin is gonna satisfy this group. But they can't seem to understand that a large number of Americans think the woman shouldn't be president. And that large number is now probably a majority of voters. And I actually like Palin, but I don't believe she walks on water the way so many do on this site. Now every time I point out some of her deficiencies I'm slammed as a Troll, A Rommeybot, or worse. So these people are never gonna be satisfied. You could resurrect Ronald Reagan from the grave and run him and they would find a reason to complain.
18 posted on 09/12/2011 11:20:49 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Borough Park

Yea I am sooo impressed that Perry doesn’t want a border fence and has no problem giving illegals free services. Damn those GOP establishment figures who think that is wrong.


19 posted on 09/12/2011 11:23:38 PM PDT by byteback
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To: preacher
As Perry Rises, G.O.P. Elite New York Times Looks Toward Romney

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Spot on Preacher!

Mitt Romney

20 posted on 09/12/2011 11:24:23 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: WFTR

Not true. The Governor can NOT force to buy insurance that covers Gardasil vaccine. He also could NOT force everyone in TX to buy instate tutition for illegal aliens. They had to pay for their own. The Legislature passed the bill with only 4 No votes. Perry merely signed it into law.


21 posted on 09/12/2011 11:25:20 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: truthguy
You could resurrect Ronald Reagan from the grave and run him and they would find a reason to complain.

If Reagan ran today, this crowd would destroy him like Perry. He signed the Therapeutic Abortion Bill in '67 and raised taxes as Gov. As far as I am concerned, Romney needs to go and then Obummer. I don't see any flaws in any of the candidates running that are not crippling in beating Obummer other than Romneycare.

22 posted on 09/12/2011 11:38:24 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Borough Park
This is one of the stupidest articles I have read in a while. The headline claims “GOP elite” supports Romney over Perry then the article gives only the example of Pawlenty’s endorsement. The same Pawlenty who has already dropped out after an extremely weak campaign and a few weeks ago was talking about Obomneycare. Is Pawlenty supposed to be the entire “GOP elite”?

Who are these so called “GOP elite” anyway? The article doesn't identify them. It just names one low level Illinois politician. The point the article makes over and over again is that these so called “GOP elite” don't think Perry can appeal to “moderates and independents”.

The NYT is clearly trying to attack Perry and create internal divisions among Republicans. But the article is so poorly written and confused that it just makes the NYT look stupid. As usual.

23 posted on 09/12/2011 11:42:47 PM PDT by detective
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To: Borough Park
particularly over his views of Social Security

His view is that it is structurally unsound and in need of reform to keep it from completely collapsing. Everyone else has the same view - including Romney, who said it was being run like a "criminal enterprise" vs. Perry who said it was being run like a "Ponzi scheme." Okay, they don't like Perry's terminology...say he just says something more generic like it is in "bad shape" - what does that change about the problems with the program? Absolutely nothing! The "controversy" over his comments are complete nonsense.

24 posted on 09/13/2011 12:11:49 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Grey Eagle
What I said is true.

He's said that one of the reasons for issuing the executive order was to force insurance companies to cover the vaccine so that more people would have access. After his executive order, a family couldn't buy insurance without buying coverage for the vaccine.

He did force everyone in Texas to subsidize the education of illegal aliens. Having a difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition represents a subsidy on education for people who live in the state. Everyone who pays taxes in Texas pays for that subsidy. By signing the law, he forced them to pay for the subsidy for illegal aliens.

25 posted on 09/13/2011 12:26:22 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Borough Park

There are plenty of “GOP Elite” looking towards Perry, too.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 1:42:36 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Borough Park

I’m not sure what Romney was trying to accomplish in that debate last night. He seemed to fade into the background. Just appeared to be sitting back and letting things unfold. He’s well prepared, but he doesn’t generate much enthusiasm. I’ve been very skeptical of the idea that he might be in cahoots with Bachmann, but last night she appeared to be in kamikazi mode toward Perry. Still seems unlikely to me though.

Newt dominates these events rhetorically. Too bad he didn’t travel a different path in days gone by. No matter how well he does in the debates, nobody wants him as the nominee.

I’m a Perry supporter, but I haven’t been impressed with his performances in the two debates he’s been in. He was a little better this time, but he just strikes me as not being very verbally facile. And probably never will be.

Cain has improved a lot over the course of the campaign so far. His presentation of that 9-9-9 plan seems a bit gimmicky although the plan itself may be a good idea.

Santorum is good on the issues, but lacks even a trace of the charisma necessary to win the presidency.

Something about Huntsman irks me. I have a feeling he would irk me even if he were just reading names out of a phone book. Heck, he wouldn’t even have to say anything; he could irk me just by standing there.

I’ve seen Bachmann be very good in the past, but last night she just looked desperate.

Ron Paul remains Ron Paul.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 2:03:13 AM PDT by FreedomForce (Perry/Cain 2012 | Perry/Palin 2016 | Palin 2020)
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To: FreedomForce

Your summation of the candidates is a pretty good one. I agree in general with your impressions of the debate.


28 posted on 09/13/2011 2:12:15 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: truthguy

You speak with much wisdom my friend...


29 posted on 09/13/2011 2:22:44 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Borough Park

The GOP Elite, MSM, RINO turds and all those Dems trying to push Romney up our rear ends can pound sand.
I will NOT vote for Mitt under any circumstances.
NO more RINOs. NOt now not ever.
REAL conservatives or go fish.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy with a teleprompter)
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To: Borough Park

The Republican rank and file don’t want either one.
DEAL WITH IT!


31 posted on 09/13/2011 3:57:48 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters--let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: FreedomForce

I haven’t seen the debates.. do you know if mccotter is getting any face time?


32 posted on 09/13/2011 4:32:55 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: preacher

Once called the “Rockefeller Wing” of the GOP.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 4:34:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: FreedomForce

“His presentation of that 9-9-9 plan seems a bit gimmicky although the plan itself may be a good idea.”

Cain is a good guy and a smart business man, but he isn’t ready for primetime.

His 999 plan would tax the rich at 9% and the poor ( who have to spend all they earn to get by) at 18%. There is no way he thought that one through.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 4:55:32 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

I missed where the rich were exempt from 9%.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 5:02:49 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Borough Park

Both Mittcare and Perry are unacceptable.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 5:05:41 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: flaglady47

Perry appeared rattled on the HPV and immigration assaults. Perry handled Social Security and stimulus assaults well and delivered a few very well timed bumper stickers in those exchanges where I actually thought I was listening to Bill Clinton (delivery, not rhetoric). As a whole, I thought it was a wash for Perry.


37 posted on 09/13/2011 5:11:20 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: GatorGirl
The rich don't spend every dollar they earn just to get by, the poor do.

They will have less money spent subject to sales tax as a % of total income. If you can't see that then you aren't seeing the big picture any better than Cain did.

38 posted on 09/13/2011 12:15:41 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: truthguy
You're right. The stakes (the survival of our Republic) are too high to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Republicans have become cannibalistic, which is just how the Democrats like it.

Yes, Mitt Romney looks like a President, but he's a two-faced RINO. Michele Bachmann is attractive and smart as a whip, but she sometimes says... some odd things. Rick Perry talks a good game, but he's more than a bit slippery. Newt Gingrich is a brilliant theoretician, but he has a matched set of Samsonite travel cases for personal baggage. Herman Cain... is great. Okay, I really like him, but he's rough around the edges, policy-wise. Ron Paul is a hero of free enterprise, but his foreign policy belongs in Happy Acres, preferably under heavy sedation. John Huntsman ...well, he should be a Democrat.

The point is that almost anyone would be an improvement over what we have now in the White House: an unrepentant Marxist who detests everything and everyone that ever made America great. I'd vote for Adam Sandler before Obama, and most of his movies sucked. But at least he's a Republican.

39 posted on 09/13/2011 12:47:59 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: WFTR
He did force everyone in Texas to subsidize the education of illegal aliens. Having a difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition represents a subsidy on education for people who live in the state...

I still can't believe so many are giving Perry a pass for this, WFTR. Amazing to me. It is one of the most important issues of the last few years.... the rule of law and not rewarding people for breaking our laws seems to be irrelevant all of a sudden. Sad.

40 posted on 09/13/2011 11:45:42 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: WFTR
He did force everyone in Texas to subsidize the education of illegal aliens. Having a difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition represents a subsidy on education for people who live in the state...

I still can't believe so many are giving Perry a pass for this, WFTR. Amazing to me. It is one of the most important issues of the last few years.... the rule of law and not rewarding people for breaking our laws seems to be irrelevant all of a sudden. Sad.

41 posted on 09/13/2011 11:45:59 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Borough Park

“As Perry Rises, G.O.P. Elite Look Toward Romney”

See...that’s the problem. The GOP “elite” don’t have their pulse on middle America, and they don’t respect middle America. In this respect, they are no different from the ‘rats.

Conversely, they are not respected in middle America at all. They seem to believe that they know what’s best for us, even though we don’t agree with them...because we don’t don’t have Ivy League degrees.

If they would let the people in middle America do their jobs without Big Brother watching over them, we would have been on the road to recovery a long time ago.

Frankly, an Ivy League degree to me is a disqualifier. We live in the real world, and we make this country work. Give me someone who has worked in the real world any day of the week, no matter where he/she went to school.

McCain...he was the last guy the Republican “elite” gave us.

How did that work out?

OT, but I would like to congratulate all FReepers in NY and NV!

Yippeee...y’all did it!


42 posted on 09/14/2011 12:00:12 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Proud barbarian TEA Party SOB)
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