Skip to comments.Issa: Holder so 'inept he is dangerous'
Posted on 09/13/2011 5:17:10 AM PDT by Libloather
Issa: Holder so 'inept he is dangerous'
By Justin Sink - 09/12/11 11:10 AM ET
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said that Attorney General Eric Holder is so "inept that he is dangerous to have as the Attorney General" and that President Obama should consider removing him from office.
Issa made the comments on the Laura Ingraham show while commenting about the controversial "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking program.
"He doesn't want to admit that it was felony-stupid," Issa said of the operation, which was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which allowed assault-type weapons to be illegally purchased and smuggled across the border.
The Department of Justice was monitoring the weapons, but they have turned up at crime scenes across Mexico. Two weapons that were sold under the program were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.
Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson was removed from his position late last month as the result of an investigation pushed by Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. But Issa believes that Attorney General Holder either signed off on the operation or was "willfully ignorant."
"The only way the attorney general didn't know is that he made sure he didn't want to know," Issa said.
The congressman said the scandal was "dumber than Iran-Contra," the program under which senior officials in the Reagan administration secretly sold arms to Iran to fund Nicaraguan rebels. Both arms sales to Iran and funding of the Contras was explicitly prohibited by law, and Reagan national security advisers Oliver North and John Poindexter were convicted of violating the law.
"What we need is an admission that it was wrong and then we need assurance that it won't happen again," Issa said.
For his part, Holder has admitted that the Fast and Furious program "was clearly a flawed enforcement effort," but denied that he or any of his aides had knowledge of the operation.
"The notion that this reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case," Holder said last Wednesday.
The Department of Justice has launched an internal investigation to look into the matter, in addition to the one led by Issa.
Holder also defended the decision to transfer Melson into the DOJ's Office of Legal Policy, rather than fire him outright.
"Ken has served this department well over the course of some three decades," Holder said.
Like Holder, like obama
But to say so out loud....isnt that rasist or something?
On this, Issa plays the fool.
As is everyone in this administration. That was the idea.
Question is what will we do about it?
“”What we need is an admission that it was wrong and then we need assurance that it won’t happen again,” Issa said. “
No! What we need is for people to be prosecuted and sent to prison, once found guilty of course.
What’s this crap that so long as you admit you did something unlawful, even felonious, that it is okeedokee as long as you promise you won’t do it again! If one of us commoners did this we’d be thrown in a deep dark hold, never to be heard from again.
Agreed. I shudder to think what would happen if Zero and his cronies were competent (and in Zero’s case) hard working Stalinists.
There, fixed it.
Exactly! When are the fools on our side finally going to get what is happening? He, Obama and the rest of this hate America administration aren't "inept" or "incompetent", at least not in this sense. They do these things DELIBERATELY, as their mission is to destroy the country as we know it.
It sure is nice of the Press to react so slowly to this issue. They keep the story alive so smart alecs like myself have all this time to eviscerate Holder.
Drag it out some more. Picking apart statements is fun.
Issa is making the mistake of giving the viscerally corrupt the benefit of the doubt.
Holder, like 0bama, is steeped in deep racist revenge ideology, and is using his office to implement it.
Telling the truth about the left is going to take some time,
because the general populace is too ignorant of the wickedness of the left to believe the truth about them.
But I agree, time to stop answering the fools acoording to their folly, but to address their folly (point out their REAL motivations and make them answer).
(”He doesn’t want to admit that it was felony-stupid,” Issa said of the operation,)
Holder isnt inept. Hes pursuing an agenda different from the agenda officially established for his office. Hes a racist, fascist ideologue. He wants to establish gun control and proving guns are being bought and exported to Mexico would help do that. The idea theyd track these guns to higher cartel people is absurd as guns are consumables and consumables are bought by buyers, not cartel bosses. Also, there was never a mechanism set up to track the guns. (Hence, they lost them all.) The objective was to find them at crime scenes so American gun stores/laws could be blamed. No, Holder isnt inept; just a criminal.
Issa is all talk, no action. We’ve heard him say stuff like this before, but nothing changes.
He's pursuing the revolutionary communist agenda, like the rest of the obamanation administration. He helped pardon members of the FALN and Weather Underground during the Clinton administration. Both were revolutionary communist, domestic terrorist organizations.
Issa and his ilk are the Old Guard Republicans. They talk nice and couch their rhetoric in sugar so they do not get their corrupt Democrat buddies mad.
I do not trust any of these so called conservatives who have been in office prior to the 2010 election.
The Democrats are more than willing to use huge lies and fabrications to maintain control of this country and yet the Pubbies will not even stand up and tell the truth.
Yep. The AG did not just do this on his own. He had to have approval from the White House and at least the State Department before this op went active.
So now we have our third gun that is responsible for an American law enforcement shooting that is proven without a doubt to have come from Fast and Furious. BATFE did not do this by themselves, and DOJ did not give them permission to proceed without clearing it up the Chain of Command first.
I hear people trying to call this Premier Hussein’s Watergate. That is nonsense, because nobody was murdered during Watergate. This one stands on its own in the world of scandals because the original operation was so heinous in the first place, it makes the coverup afterwards even worse.
Too bad we have to wait until the next Administration comes into office before we finally get to the bottom of this and hopefully indict Eric Holder and everyone else attached to this.
Let’s see Holder frog-marched in handcuffs out of DOJ...
To you and all of your ilk Issa is no fool, he is not looking the other way or anything you or the others imply. A co-worker and friend served with Issa in the military and he is a deliberate man who is gathering facts to cement his case. You who scream here for your own reasons must realize you want to develop the whole picture airtight and take down the whole bunch, not settle for the underlings who have been set up to take the fall.
Issa is no stooge and is very smart, he is not in this for the money or pension, he does not need it. He is a patriot and I for one will not rush to judgement, let him do his work, he is climbing a very steep hill with the forces of most of the government against him fighting to stay alive.
Plays or is, that is the question.
If Issa is the latter, then he can't help it. It's what he is.
If it's the former, then Issa is no better than those responsible.
How do you separate Holder from the other stupid and incompetent members of the Obama admin? Obama himself is the most incompetent prez ever.
“”He doesn’t want to admit that it was felony-stupid,” Issa said of the operation”
But, but, but holder and his buddies knew nothing about it./s
On this, Issa plays the fool.
Issa is stirring the pot...he knows Holder is a gangsta.
Anyone who even questions is a racist.
Look away now. You must learn how to accept Black incompetence with a smile.
Holder also defended the decision to transfer Melson into the DOJ’s Office of Legal Policy, rather than fire him outright.
“Ken has served this department well over the course of some three decades,” Holder said.
Sounds like the Justice Department has its own version of the Teacher’s Union’s Rubber Room . . .
"During the 1970s and 1980s, FALN members set off at least 138 bombs in five major U.S. Cities. Six Americans were killed in those attacks. One of those bombings, in January 1975, was at the historic Fraunces Tavern in lower Manhattan while patrons were at lunch. The explosion killed four and injured more than 50."
"Fraunces Tavern is a restaurant and museum in lower Manhattan, New York City. It was built on the site of a former building which played a significant role in pre-Revolutionary activities, and in which, on 4 December 1783, General George Washington bade farewell to his officers at the end of the Revolution, before returning to his home, Mount Vernon."
"Between 1974 and 1985 the FALN (Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation) organized 120 terrorist bombings in the United States. Many Americans were killed in those bombings, and many more were crippled. In 1983, another Puerto Rican terrorist group known as the Macheteros, attacked and robbed a Wells Fargo armored car in Connecticut. The Macheteros intended to use the money to finance a terrorist campaign against the United States. Working under the cover of Puerto Rican nationalism and claiming to act on behalf of the 'oppressed people of Puerto Rico,' the FALN and the Macheteros are nothing but Communist revolutionaries. Both groups were organized by Fidel Castro's secret police. The ultimate goal of the FALN and the Macheteros is the creation of an independent Marxist-Leninist dictatorship on the island of Puerto Rico."
Eric Holder's role in the pardons of BLA (Black Liberation Army) comrades/Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Evans (1983 Brinks Truck robbery and triple murder):
Issa is deliberately playing the diplomat here, giving public voice to 'the benefit of the doubt'. But you know that he is fully away of the ugly truth here.
I hope that the comments by others here are correct: That Issa is simply biding his time and building his case before coming down on these mobsters like a ton of bricks. Time will tell. I'd love to see Obama and his entire cadre go down in flames. But if they get away with murder, literally, well... it won't be the first time in our history that people in power get off with such high crimes scot-free.
I agree. This was purposeful with the aim of undermining the Second Amendment.
If AG Holder made his choices and policies randomly, he’d be correct more often than he actually is.
Mr. Sink is mistaking evil and subversion for mere incompetence.
The fish stinks from the head.
Holder is but a symptom. The real menace sits in the Oval Office.
I agree with you, Holder might be inept but mostly just corrupt and also extremely into Black racism.
The entire Obama administration from top to bottom is composed of terrorist supporters, former terrorists, anti American extremists etc.
The whole thing is a house of cards but that house is protected by the media which is the equivalent of having a Hundred foot high wall, surrounded by a deep and wide moat, all atop a high mountain. No one will ever get inside to topple the rotten administration.
“Also, there was never a mechanism set up to track the guns.”
You hit the nail on the head here. If there was no mechanism to track the guns, then there was never intent to track the guns.
The fact of the matter is that Holder and Obama wanted those arms to return to the United States, to be used by the cailize Red Staes like Arizona, cause fear and dismay and punish the people for being conservative. Its the fascists using anarchists to create mayhem and cuase dependency of the federal government, who would then defend the minority perpetrators.
Secondly this was a gun control initiative which was used to make it look like US gun dealers were supplying the drag cartels. The NRA pointed out repeatedly the fact that the vast majprity of dreug cartel ordnance is supplied from stolen Mexican military ordnance, WHICH HAD BEEN SUPPLIED TO MEXICO BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Thirdly, the Obama administration wanted to engender a backlash against Mexican illegals so they could create a racial issue to exploit for election purposes to gaini votes.
Fourthly, US citizens were murdered with these arms, making those involved accessories to murder. That is criminal conduct which requires more than Issa’s imprication that:
“What we need is an admission that it was wrong and then we need assurance that it won’t happen again,”
Those responsible at the DOJ, The Whitehouse,and BATF need to be charged and tried for murder, here in the USA.
And lastly, there were three Fast and Furious weapons found at the scene of the murder, AND Fast and Furious guns have been seized at crime scenes in the South West.Whats wrong with the press? REPORT IT!!!!!!!!!
That’s the problem. Politicians get away with everything illegal that they want to do. Politicians don’t go to jail anymore.
I hear that Issa is fairly wealthy. If he does go after these Clymers, he’d better have his bean-counter scour his books for ANY — and I mean ANY — potential problems. He’d also better set aside a few million for tax lawyers as this band of brigands will almost certainly sic the Infernal Revenue Service on him.
Hey, it’s the CHICAGO WAY!
“...”What we need is an admission that it was wrong and then we need assurance that it won’t happen again,” Issa said. ...”
What need is Holder and anyone else invloved being arrested and perp-walked to a jail cell - JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON WHO WILLINGLY ENGAGES IN FELONY ACTS.
That is the single stupidest statement I’ve ever heard Issa make.
An “assurance that it will nebve happen again???”
People DIED because of this. How is that NOT at the very least accessory to murder? Or conspiracy to cover up murder? Especially when “My People” Holder CLEARLY knew what was going on?
“...Those responsible at the DOJ, The Whitehouse,and BATF need to be charged and tried for murder, here in the USA...”
Not going to happen, brother.
There are ZERO balls in the GOP to do this.
If this were happening with an R in charge, it would be exploding across every newspaper, 24-7 on every talking mediot program, blond bimbo bubbleheads exploding in righteous outrage every night on CNN-PMSNBC-CBS-NBC-ABC....
If anything comes of it, I will be heart-attack surprised.
If the criminal laws will not be enforced, then the American people themselves have the duty ( not just a right) to enforce them.Our own government sells arms used to murder its citizens, and insists on ignoring the enforcement of its laws concerning unlawful homicide?
I look forward to the establishment of citizen committees of correpondence. Our people will NOT be “ruled” by such a government, and the price for our continued liberty will be paid in the blood of patriots. The present totalitarian regime and their future likenesses,presently that of Barak Obama, will be destroyed utterly for all time.
It has been accomplished before by men of fewer resources than have we.
John Hancock Letter to George Washington
Philadelphia JULY 6th. 1776.
The Congress, for some time past, have had their attention occupied by one of the most interesting and important subjects, that could possibly come before them or any other assembly of men.
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Agreeably to the request of Congress, the Committee of Safety of this Colony have forwarded to you ten thousand flints, and the Hints at Rhode Island are ordered to be sent to you immediately.
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The Congress having directed the arms, taken on board the Scotch transports, to be sent to you. I have written to the agents in Rhode Island and Massachusetts Bay, to forward them immediately.
The inclosed copy of a letter from Mr. Green, I am directed to forward, by Congress, with a request that you will order such parts of the stores, therein mentioned, to New York, as you shall judge proper.
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That’s good. Wish I’d thought of it.
I hope you are correct about Issa. I hope he’s setting a perjury trap, while talking nice and “asking” for documents.
“dumber than Iran-Contra,”
Oliver North and John Poindexter’s convictions were both overturned on Appeal, mainly because of seperation of powers. Congress (under the Boland Amendment) does not have the power to legislate the Executive’s power to conduct Foreign Policy. Lousy journalism or ideology partisanship not to mention that. North’s was overturned do to his partial immunity to testify to Congress.
Exactly, notice how everything he does is out in clear air and following the rules, he is painting them into a corner and they are opening fresh cans everyday helping him
do = due
United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code, Title 18 §ection 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
“...It has been accomplished before by men of fewer resources than have we...”
Different time, with different people, who were basically unified in their cause.
We’ve got “aggrieved and oppressed” minorities who are primed and ready for race war, being egged on by a fedgov that wants class war so they can kick off their program of eradication of the final vestiges of Americanism.
It’s NOT the same now as it was then.
“...then the American people themselves have the duty ( not just a right) to enforce them...”
When? I’m waiting for it. Cops on our side? Fed Marshalls? State Police forces? Who? Anybody rushing to DC with handcuffs and leg irons to put the perps in an orange jump suit and frog march perp walk? Military stepping in and arresting these creeps yet?
“..the establishment of citizen committees of correpondence. ...”
Hell, half the people in this country have no frigging clue what those even were, anymore. They’re more concerned that Simon Cowell is coming back on TV for another season of bubbleheaded idiots believing they’re the next American Idol. These are the same drooling fools who voted the American Communist Insurgency, otherwise known as the Democrat Party, into power.
“...the price for our continued liberty will be paid in the blood of patriots...”
Count on it. But it’s much more preferrable that the other side bleeds for what they believe in. We NEED our people to rebuild the country.
Not trashing what you believe, Candor. For the record, I hope YOU’RE right. But I just don’t see it happening.
Apathy is why we’re here.
Here’s a response I posted to “Jayrunner 9-12-2011”. Take a read through if your inclined to. It’s on this same topic. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2777094/posts?page=46#46
FYI Issa ping
I agree with you 100%. They are going after Issa tooth and nail right now...except there is nothing to go aftr him for. He is a pit bull. This ain’t going away, and it won’t get swept under the rug.