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Bachmann: Gardasil causes “mental retardation”
Hot Air ^ | September 13, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Earlier today, I noted that Michele Bachmann finally scored points on Rick Perry by hitting him on his ties to Merck and linking that to the Gardasil mandate Perry imposed through executive order in Texas. This is a fair point on Perry’s record, even given his apology for pursuing the mandate through EO instead of through the legislature, and it’s not surprising that Bachmann was the candidate to first take advantage of the opening. (Mitt Romney passed a mandate on health insurance for all citizens of Massachusetts, which pretty much puts this issue out of reach for him.) However, Bachmann took a winning argument about the method and the wisdom of mandating a vaccination for a limited-spread virus and turned it into an anti-vaccination argument, especially in this post-debate argument on Fox with Greta van Susteren.

>>>"There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine."<<<

Huh? “Mental retardation” typically takes place in a pre- or neo-natal event. Autism becomes apparent in the first couple of years of life — and primarily affects boys. Gardasil vaccinations take place among girls between 9-12 years of age. Even assuming that this anecdote is arguably true, it wouldn’t be either “mental retardation” or autism, but brain damage.

The FDA has received no reports of brain damage as a result of HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix. Among the reports that correlate seriously adverse reactions to either, the FDA lists blood clots, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and 68 deaths during the entire run of the drugs. The FDA found no causal connection to any of these serious adverse events and found plenty of contributing factors to all — and all of the events are exceedingly rare.

The “mental retardation” argument is a rehash of the thoroughly discredited notion that vaccines containing thimerasol caused a rapid increase in diagnosed autism cases. That started with a badly-botched report in Lancet that allowed one researcher to manipulate a ridiculously small sample of twelve cases in order to reach far-sweeping conclusions about thimerasol. That preservative hasn’t been included in vaccines for years, at least not in the US, and the rate of autism diagnoses remain unchanged.

The most charitable analysis that can be offered in this case for Bachmann is that she got duped into repeating a vaccine-scare urban legend on national television. It looks more like Bachmann sensed that she had won a point and wanted to go in for the kill, didn’t bother to check the facts, and didn’t care that she was stoking an anti-vaccination paranoid conspiracy theory, either. Neither shines a particularly favorable light on Bachmann.

Rick Santorum took the correct position on the Gardasil issue. We mandate certain vaccines in children because we mandate children be gathered for educational purposes for many years (in private or public schools), and certain diseases are easily communicable in those settings. By mandating vaccinations against whooping cough, measles, and mumps, we are protecting children who would otherwise get exposed without any action on their part except compliance with the law. That’s not true with HPV, and parents should decide for themselves whether to inoculate their sons and daughters with Gardasil or Cervarix. If Perry wanted to make those inoculations more accessible, he could have crafted an opt-in system rather than forcing parents to opt out.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiscience; antivax; bachmann; bachmann4romney; barkingmoonbat; cancer; feminism; gardasil; gopprimary; hpvvaccine; palin; perry; perry2012; vaccinehoax; vanmeuslixlips
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To: dangerdoc

I was thinking about 1980 for the Hep B shot so that seems right. Seems some get flu like symptoms from the vaccinations, never bothered me either. I do have several friends that did the Hep C and got sick as a dog. Hep C is a big issue in my area due to IV drug users.


351 posted on 09/13/2011 2:53:28 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Sun

I think that woman should come forward.

Has she come forward to back up Bachmann?

I haven’t see anything on that.


352 posted on 09/13/2011 3:02:27 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“I haven’t see anything on that.”

Me neither, not yet.

I’d also like to see that woman who said that she would not have to worry about paying her rent, or gasoline, after Obama’s election. :) But I digress.


353 posted on 09/13/2011 3:47:51 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: thackney

Thanks, I saw an earlier post that made the claim that Gardisil worked against both diseases and therefore was appropriate to give to boys. It didn’t sound right.


354 posted on 09/13/2011 5:30:34 PM PDT by Eva
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To: mad_as_he$$

I guess Santorum’s daughters are all on their way to the nunnery.


355 posted on 09/13/2011 6:03:43 PM PDT by gusty
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To: hellbender

How does a virus know if it is promiscuous or not.


356 posted on 09/13/2011 6:14:00 PM PDT by gusty
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To: wrhssaxensemble

I am no supporter of Bachmann, but your charge is totally unfair. She is a Lutheran, and like every other Protestant sect, they believed way back when what you charged. I would never charge a current Catholic believes that heretics should be burned at the stake. By your reasoning every US President except one was not qualified to be President and were Klansmen to boot.


357 posted on 09/13/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

Quit possible. He did have a reasoned answer to the difference between measles vaccinations and HPV.


358 posted on 09/13/2011 7:57:20 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Paleo Conservative; KansasGirl; Cincinatus' Wife; netmilsmom

Perry did not by pass the legislature. The legislature had long ago “passed enabling legislation: they delegated the authority to mandate vaccines without over site to the Department of State Health Services.

More here http://wingright.org/2011/09/13/one-more-time-perry-gardasil-and-the-facts/


359 posted on 09/13/2011 10:05:29 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: Paleo Conservative

The legislature would have had to change the law. The way the “opt out” clause reads, no one is allowed to keep a list at the DSHS. The bill names and links to the text are at this WingRight post: http://wingright.org/2011/08/07/dose-of-reason-perry-and-gardasil/


360 posted on 09/13/2011 10:07:36 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for posting this.


361 posted on 09/13/2011 10:13:39 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for posting this.


362 posted on 09/13/2011 10:13:46 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: kalee

Placemarker post 359


363 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:45 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: hocndoc

I remember when I first heard about this vaccine. My immediate reaction was “Thank Goodness! They may have found something here.” While it only applies to a particular type of cancer at this point...perhaps new research will find that other cancers may be prevented with vaccines!

But no.....what should be a discussion of this new horizon in medicine has been drowned out by this stupid argument. It makes me sick.


364 posted on 09/13/2011 10:50:37 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: hocndoc
Perry did not by pass the legislature. The legislature had long ago “passed enabling legislation: they delegated the authority to mandate vaccines without over site to the Department of State Health Services.

What year did they do that? Probably early in the 20th century. Much different era. Perhaps it's time to take back some of the delegated authority.

365 posted on 09/13/2011 11:34:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: hocndoc

Thank you.


366 posted on 09/14/2011 1:39:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ari-freedom

Oh, please.

That “conservative” politician allowed her teen daughter to go to a co-ed camp-out which included drugs and alcohol. I don’t know why you think that can’t be prevented. I guarantee my children have never been in any kind of situation like that.


367 posted on 09/14/2011 2:12:07 AM PDT by Politicalmom (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Try doing a search for seizure disorders associated with the DPT shot.


368 posted on 09/14/2011 2:14:22 AM PDT by Politicalmom (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

That legislation was updated in 2007.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB01059F.HTM


369 posted on 09/14/2011 4:54:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DesertRhino
But i guess it makes better financial sense to wait till she gets cancer, then do a hysterectomy. Great for the collective,,kinda sucks for the INDIVIDUAL that our society is ordered around.

Some of the articles I've read about this vaccine describe really serious side effects. Perfectly healthy girls became chronically weak and some even died.

370 posted on 09/14/2011 6:10:16 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: gusty

Read the link. Her church prior to her leaving it to run for President openly believed it. I understand most religions officially follow the view “be our religion or you are going to hell” (I know mine does) but to claim another religion is satanic and led by the antichrist is a little out there....


371 posted on 09/14/2011 6:31:50 AM PDT by wrhssaxensemble (We need an electable conservative in 2012!)
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To: Mamzelle
While I don't think that we should jump willy-nilly into a new vaccination program, the reaction to Gardisil is out of proportion to its dangers.

I haven't said anything about the dangers. That isn't my issue. My concern is the government telling parents how to raise their children.

372 posted on 09/14/2011 6:44:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Gardisil aside, it's not contagious like the flu and smallpox are contagious, butmass vaccinations are a good thing. There really were children in leg braces and even some in iron lungs when I was little.

And if you don't want to vaccinate your child, you can keep him home and away from the other school children.

Just before you fly off the handle, look around and think about how so many children did not make it to adulthood just a couple of generations ago.

There is an exploitation to the hysteria surrounding a lot of anti-vaccine attitudes. I had a friend who was convinced that pertussis vaccination caused his child to be autistic because of one journal article in the Lancet that later turned out to be sheer fraud. There was no reaching this friend and I didn't even try, because some emotion had taken ahold of him and he was so relieved to find someone to blame for the inexplicable affliction.

Sort of like having a witch in the village to blame everything on.

I've seen a few of these mass hysteria come and go. I remember a particularly awful episode in the Clinton years when suddenly there were daycare centers that practiced child abuse and satan worship--ya, ya, ya--and innocent people spent years in jail. I wonder if Janet Reno will get what's coming to herm...

373 posted on 09/14/2011 5:15:37 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
And if you don't want to vaccinate your child, you can keep him home and away from the other school children.

Calm down, dear. I never said anything against vaccines for diseases that are communicable by casual means, such as polio.

374 posted on 09/15/2011 6:21:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Hostility to these vaccine makers means shortages of vaccines because the profit margin is very low, lawyer and aggravation costs are high.

I guess I do get worked up over that. A prolonged shortage of any vaccine could be catastrophic if enough people go without it. We have had many shortages of the tetanus vaccine.

And Gardisil is not a high priority. Do you know that Gardisil protects against some genital herpes?

It's not a BAD thing. Just a thing to approach with wisdom.

A lot of these vaccines don't work for everybody. Did you know that? What we depend on is the "firewall" of those around us who are successfully immune. The immune protect the non-immune. That's why I hate a hysterical approach to vaccines.

That any med has side effects is unavoidable.

375 posted on 09/15/2011 7:02:32 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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