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Bachmann: Gardasil causes “mental retardation”
Hot Air ^ | September 13, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: anonsquared
-- If Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn't he require teenage boys to get it too? --

At the time, it was not approved for males. I believe that if you asked Perry what should be done now, as a matter of public health, he would say that he believes the vaccine should be mandatory for ALL children.

As far as I know, the only point Perry has walked back from is obtaining the effect by the mechanism of executive order.

101 posted on 09/13/2011 8:54:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That didn’t make any sense at all. So not-QED.


102 posted on 09/13/2011 8:54:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

It is interesting that you come to Free Republic to promote voting as a waste of time.


103 posted on 09/13/2011 8:55:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So you’re saying that the state doesn’t keep record of who signed the form?


104 posted on 09/13/2011 8:55:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
but I can’t say she’s any more ignorant than Perry was when he promulgated that turkey.

Not sure I agree with that. Perry was at least thinking about what was best for his constituents...he wanted to help prevent cervical cancer. There was an opt out available. I frankly don't see much difference between this and other mandatory vaccinations. There is a small statistical chance of problems with any vaccination, but the overwhelming majority benefit.

105 posted on 09/13/2011 8:55:27 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: HerrBlucher
Without evidence to support it other than Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, the latter is just a sleazy below the belt slam.

True.

106 posted on 09/13/2011 8:55:31 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Funny how fraud and simplicity are so easy to get out to the booths, but the “virtuous” like you make excuses to sit on your butts.


107 posted on 09/13/2011 8:55:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Who do you like? If not any of the current candidates who do you think would be a good candidate such that you would actually make the effort to vote for them?


108 posted on 09/13/2011 8:56:09 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Santorum was correct: this was bad policy, typical big government action.

Bachmann might have played it over the top, but this is corporatism. While I don’t think there was a quid pro quo - here’s $5K and you sign this EO - I think it is an example of crony capitalism where the donation and job for his chief of staff gave Merck access to Perry, where they were able to sell him on this.

Whether talking about Cifra, Merck, or a host of other companies, Perry is a corporatist - big government for big companies through exclusive access and no-bid contracts.

I’m just amazed how many so-called self-proclaimed conservatives are all for the government micro-managing medicine via mandates. Suddenly, the end justifies the means, although they condemned similar actions by Mitt Romney or Obama (they’re all wrong!).


109 posted on 09/13/2011 8:56:09 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Don't wait, join/donate now to restore the US: http://www.organize4palin.com/)
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To: LearsFool
Or they'll say, very tellingly, "you can't control your teenage daughters, so you need to give them the vaccine/the pill/condoms.

I can control my teenage daughter just fine, and she won't be dating the sons of parents like those.

110 posted on 09/13/2011 8:56:09 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: thackney
That's not why I came here.

Does my opinion bother you?

111 posted on 09/13/2011 8:57:39 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Big Education Bullies!


112 posted on 09/13/2011 8:58:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Michele Bachmann actually stopped talking for a couple of nanoseconds, paused and said that she couldn’t look into his heart and know that answer.

Since this followed her slanderous bomb of that exact charge to Gov. Perry, it is a face-palm moment for MB. Michele, desperation does not become you.

113 posted on 09/13/2011 8:58:27 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I never said I was virtuous.

Strawman.

114 posted on 09/13/2011 8:58:58 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Realman30

“She, along with Cain, might as well drop out of the race. “

Don’t compare her to Cain. Cain is a man of honor and actually accomplished something instead of just showing up to DC in order to vote for someone else’s bill.


115 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:03 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Does anyone think it's amusing that people here are defending a position that even Perry admitted was wrong? Hilarious!

Get the government out of the pushing and shoving business! Controlling socialist fascists with an "R" are still over controlling socialist fascists. The docs could easily recommend this vaccination without government involvement!

Nanny staters all over this thread..yuck!!

116 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:06 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: thackney
-- It is interesting that you come to Free Republic to promote voting as a waste of time. --

FR is at least entertaining, and at some points, has links to useful information. What a person chooses to do with the entertainment and information, well, I'm sure that is all over the map.

I live in Maine. My vote is usually worthless, being swamped by those who hold preferences opposite to mine.

117 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 6ppc

Sticking another item in the list of stuff that adds to insurance premiums — sounds like a socialist idea to me.


118 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: thackney
RP65 – Relating to the immunization of young women from the cancer-causing Human Papillomavirus.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/executive-order/3455/

Thank you, I appreciate that information. The facts are a very important consideration.

119 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:37 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I shall discount you on account of vice, then.


120 posted on 09/13/2011 9:00:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Quoted from the article in your post:

"When first approved in late 2009, Gardasil appeared to offer little to boys aside from a selfless opportunity to curb the sexual transmission of HPV to future partners."

So I ask again, if the purpose of the legislation was to halt the spread of HPV, why didn't he require it for boys?

121 posted on 09/13/2011 9:00:15 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Da Coyote

She blew it!


122 posted on 09/13/2011 9:01:02 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Even assuming that this anecdote is arguably true, it wouldn’t be either “mental retardation” or autism, but brain damage.

Um, yeah, but the brain damage could result is what is commonly called "mental retardation". If this is the term the mother used (which could be very likely), then why get all twisted up about Bachmann using the term.

Good grief, just plain silly the things people get their panties in a wad over.

The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs

Government needs to keep their noses out of personal decisions. You wouldn't want Michelle Obama to push dietary laws through that you had to "opt out" of, would you?

123 posted on 09/13/2011 9:01:13 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CodeToad

Then I had it right, there was an opt out clause. Stupid doesn’t win me over, Code.


124 posted on 09/13/2011 9:01:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: anonsquared

Why didn’t he? Maybe it would have been too obvious an invitation to the little would-be studs???


125 posted on 09/13/2011 9:01:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: wintertime
What I suspect, is that as a nation we have forgotten how devastating a plague of polio, measles, or whopping cough can be. Maybe ( sadly) we will need to go though a major catastrophic event for everyone to relearn these lessons.

Exactly right. I personally have known two people with polio. Both were in wheel chairs, one could not communicate with anyone but his parents who had learned how to understand his distorted speech. Polio leaves broken bodies with intact minds...absolutely devastating and finally became preventable, and was virtually wiped out...I say virtually because one of the cases I know of was acquired well after the vaccine was distributed nationwide, but the affected person was NOT vaccinated.

126 posted on 09/13/2011 9:02:53 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: shield
Rick Perry’s Political Judo

I've noticed this.

And it happened again today.

And it was a twofer!

127 posted on 09/13/2011 9:02:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: laotzu

lol...


128 posted on 09/13/2011 9:03:15 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Cboldt

In order to show crony capitalism by Perry one would have to show a clear case of an action that was done by Perry in favor of the “crony” that would not have been done for any other reason. I don’t agree with the mandate but there were many pressures on Perry to do it and the charge that the main reason Perry did the mandate was to help Merck is extrememly weak. If this is all they got regarding Perry and crony capitalism, then they might as well give up on that issue.


129 posted on 09/13/2011 9:03:45 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The last thing we need is this morphing into an anti-immunization (junk medicine) discussion which overshadows other issues.

Repeating an anecdotal account as fact was irresponsible. The mother may very well believe Gardisil caused her daughter's mental retardation. Her belief does not make it so.

“Innocent young girls” does not convey an issue of safety and efficacy. It conveys an image of 11 year old girls held down, violated sexually with an injection which will somehow force them to become sexually active with multiple partners before the age of 18.

These debates allow the cream to rise to the top (and the rocks to sink to the bottom). Blitzer did a pretty good job compared to the previous debates. I hope the future debates continue the trend.

130 posted on 09/13/2011 9:03:45 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: HerrBlucher
I think the current process makes it such that any candidate I would like wouldn't get within 100 miles of the White House.

And for anyone else reading, I am speaking specifically of voting for president.

You'd have to shoot me to keep me from voting against local spending referendums. Of course, I always lose because even in "conservative" N GA, people love their govt money.

I got turned off politics as a young adult going to several GA Young Republican events.

131 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:06 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: JFC

I agree with you. I was luke warm for Perry, but these constant attacks are disgusting to me. For example, SS is a ponzi scheme and “our side” is using the talking points of the left to attack him for saying it. Perhaps if his support goes up these other candidates will stop attacking him like democrats on SS. Sorry, but the vaccine issue is just not that big of a deal to me.


132 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:06 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Scythian

“That vaccination has done a lot of damage, anybody that says it hasn’t is ignorant of the facts.”

LOL, every medicine out there, including antibiotics have or could cause even death.

Lets just toss Pennicillin, Insulin, vaccines...maybe even bandages into the waste bin....

GEEZE!


133 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:12 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It appeared (at least to me) that Bachmann was running interference for Mittens last night. Could she be working for a spot on a ticket with him? If Romney were to win the nomination (shudder), he'd need a conservative on the ticket if he's going to have any hope of attracting conservative voters. Unfortunately, Bachmann came of as very unpresidential. Then, making matters worse, she tells John King of CNN that presidents can't make mistakes. Good grief.

Then she goes on Greta and can't back up her charge that Perry made his decision on Gardasil for a $5,000 campaign contribution. Desperate people say and do unfortunate things. I'm done with Bachmann and I think her 15 minutes are up.

134 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:47 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: wilco200
Another Perry apologist?

I invite you to examine my entire eleven year posting history and find one post in support of Rick Perry. Unless you contracted some mental retardation somewhere you can re-read my post and readily see that the subject matter was the Texas Gardasil law not Rick Perry.

135 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Dudoight

Many people think Perry “blew it” with his harping on “Ponzi scheme.” But future developments have put this into question. Bachmann’s concerns are likewise nothing new and they have a deeper grip in the underground parent society than you might think.

Darn it, Michelle Bachmann is acting like a mother. We can’t let her get away with that! /s


136 posted on 09/13/2011 9:05:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Making policy based on anecdote is always a bad idea.


137 posted on 09/13/2011 9:05:38 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (I'll follow an eloquent Allen West out of hell.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Does my opinion bother you?

Yes. You should be allowed to make your opinion known; I don't question that.

But I do find it is pathetic and even more so on a political forum.

138 posted on 09/13/2011 9:05:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: vicar7

I’m not going to get all over palin for her comments because
1) she actually has a good record on dealing with crony capitalism that should be brought up
2) she actually was a governor and dealt with this issue in a better way
3) had a teenage daughter who became pregnant and kept her baby

But Michele is just a wannabe who desperately needed to find an opening.


139 posted on 09/13/2011 9:06:03 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Did she say it (that she could not make that call) or not?


140 posted on 09/13/2011 9:06:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Texas. Retards. We’re just splitting hairs here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA2Yj8Pksmg


141 posted on 09/13/2011 9:06:41 AM PDT by tumblindice (Governor Rick Perry: "No border fence")
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To: Earthdweller

>>Does anyone think it’s amusing that people here are defending a position that even Perry admitted was wrong? Hilarious!<<

That’s exactly what I said at the top of this thread.
Perry SAID it was wrong.

Why are conservatives defending what is wrong?


142 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: 9422WMR
Requiring a vaccine for something that can be spread through casual contact (i.e. being in the same room as someone who has the disease or touching a pencil the suffering person touched) is VERY different from mandating a vaccine to stop the spread of something that is caused only by behaviors that are risky even with the vaccine.

Most intelligent people grasp that difference.

143 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:16 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Scythian

My niece’s daughter who is 18 has a heart problem. She makes trips to the hospital quite often with her daughter.

They have met families of girls who took this vaccine who have daughters that became almost non functional.

I am not saying this happens to the majority of girls that have taken Gardasil, but that is reason enough to not mandate it until it is known why it happens to some.

All a person has to do is Google to see the lawsuits regarding this drug. And those took Gardasil voluntarily.


144 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:16 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 9422WMR
See Rick Santorum’s answer. HPV is not transmittable without sexual contact. All of those other diseases are spread by casual contact. Apples and bananas if you please.
145 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Cboldt

OK, that sounds correct to me.


146 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:44 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Well, I guess that means you will never like any presidential candidate ever, and by the same logic, you don’t like any past presidents either.


147 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Her strength is her knowledge on taxes and the economy. She should focus on that. Don’t think her Gardasil attack in the overall scheme of things is going help her any.


148 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:52 AM PDT by cblue55 (It's either America, or Obama. It cannot be both!)
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To: 6ppc

If Wikipedia is to be believed, most polio doesn’t progress to the paralytic stage. Polio is basically an intestinal virus that developed the capability of infecting nerve tissues as well. It quite often doesn’t progress very far in that direction before the body overcomes it. But in a small minority of cases, tragedy of the kind you describe results.


149 posted on 09/13/2011 9:08:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: anonsquared
When first approved in late 2009

Because he wrote the order in 2007.

150 posted on 09/13/2011 9:08:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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