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Bachmann: Gardasil causes “mental retardation”
Hot Air ^ | September 13, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: HiTech RedNeck

But this isn’t the first time Bachmann has shot her mouth off without thinking about what/how she was saying what was on her mind. Patterns make a difference...


251 posted on 09/13/2011 9:58:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Eva

Since when has the anti-vaccination crowd been concerned with facts?


252 posted on 09/13/2011 10:00:08 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: thackney
Are you in favor of removing hepatitis from the required vaccines?

I don't see why it has to be given routinely to newborns unless there is an immediate risk of exposure. The immune system isn't very developed at that time. I agree that it should be required before attending school.

253 posted on 09/13/2011 10:00:33 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Cboldt

Agreed, the charge of cronyism with respect to gardisil is extrememly weak, and certainly insufficient to nix Perry as a candidate. There are far better reasons to nix the other candidates, i.e. lunacy (Paul), no exec experience and her own cronyism via ethanol subsidies (bachmann), never held office (cain), and then of course Romney needs no explanation.


254 posted on 09/13/2011 10:00:44 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I opted out of the vaccine for my daughters but I do have a story that is somewhat in support of the vaccine. We have a history of urinary reflux in my family and 2 of my daughters had it. When I took one of my daughters for a nuclear cystogram the nurse asked me a few health questions. One of them was “was she sexually active?” When I looked at her, horrified, she said, “I know but I have to ask. You’d be surprised how many girls say yes.”

My daughter was 10 years old.


255 posted on 09/13/2011 10:01:06 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Salamander

“Hellbenders are one of the largest salamanders in the world, growing to over 2 feet long.” — www.hellbender.com


256 posted on 09/13/2011 10:02:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
-- Well, "Hell" and "Bender" are two words -- so you screwed up. --

LOL. I don't care who you are, THAT was funny! My mental picture involved "Bender" of Futurama.

257 posted on 09/13/2011 10:02:52 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: HerrBlucher

If Bachmann has some facts or other information to back up her allegation, she should come forth with it. It’s a very serious charge.

If it was nothing but gossip and innuendo, she just killed her (already descending) candidacy.


258 posted on 09/13/2011 10:02:52 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bachman is spreading pure fabrication about the vaccine though. It does not cause retardation. It does not kill little girls. It does not automatically create little sluts out of girls.

My point is that I agree with her on the vilification of Perry’s mandate. But she loses all credibility when she spouts pure crap.

She senses that she got some points, and she goes over the top to reinforce how “correct” she is.

And when she does that, she loses.


259 posted on 09/13/2011 10:03:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ok, just to review. Here is a list of things that are NOT rights: A home, Health care, and a job.)
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To: anonsquared

From your article:

The theory

cautious approach

suggested

done some research

even less data for boys

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Hardly matches your claim of well known.

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So you are claiming it was wrong not to require it for boys before it was approved for boys?

It was not approved for boys for use in the US until October 2009.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm186991.htm


260 posted on 09/13/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Vermont Lt
Show me a woman who know how to shut up after winning an argument and I'll show you one whose vocal cords became inoperative....
261 posted on 09/13/2011 10:07:10 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Cboldt
Yeah, I know, and I tend to stay out of such threads.

It's just gotten to the point that I have finally had enough of all the people with their "good ideas" that they want to force on me, and it doesn't matter which letter comes after their name.

262 posted on 09/13/2011 10:08:17 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Cboldt

“Scientologists are nuts, IMO, but they don’t have anything against vaccinations. “

they are against modern medicine in general and Bachmann made a psychiatric claim, that it causes mental retardation.


263 posted on 09/13/2011 10:08:17 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry admitted it was a mistake to sign the order and it never became law because the legislators shot it down.

If this is the best Bachmann can come up with then she's done.

264 posted on 09/13/2011 10:09:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
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To: shield

Well, it DOES seem to cause mental retardation among the other GOP candidates.


265 posted on 09/13/2011 10:09:58 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: Vermont Lt

Maybe her constituent was lying to her, or was a Rat plant, but if the vaccine truly had an unfortunate side effect in the constituent’s daughter of causing brain damage, leading to what would be colloquially called “mental retardation,” that’s something that needs to be faced. I don’t know about killing “little girls,” can you clarify? It could in some circumstances form part of a temptation to a young girl to be a slut. Giving it to boys would be even more controversial in that department because they might fancy themselves to be disease-proof little studs.

All those risks might be chosen by a parent, but to have the weight of the state on them is over the top, and if Bachmann made that point and no other point she did well.


266 posted on 09/13/2011 10:10:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Paleo Conservative

“I was reading that a study didn’t recommend it for mass vaccinations, because the cost of the vaccinations would be greater than the cost of treating the diseases it is supposed to prevent.”

This is the mentality of Obamacare. REALITY, is that a woman who gets this apparently safe vaccination, BEFORE she becomes sexually active, will avoid the most common provable cause of cervical cancer. Even if she waits till her wedding day to become active, there is nothing to argue against getting the vaccinations. Refusal to get this vaccine for a daughter, simply because it is a tacit admission that SOMEDAY, they will become a sexually active person is no better than a Jehovahs Witness refusing to get basic lifesaving treatments.

But i guess it makes better financial sense to wait till she gets cancer, then do a hysterectomy. Great for the collective,,kinda sucks for the INDIVIDUAL that our society is ordered around.
Refusing to recommend the vaccine because it’s cheaper to treat the women who get the cancer is PURE OBAMA. It’s *exactly* the same mentality of Obama saying “Maybe you should take the blue pain pill, instead of the expensive treatment.


267 posted on 09/13/2011 10:10:33 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann has truly jumped the shark.

There is no way on earth a teenager gets ‘retarded’ from a vaccine. If she bought that nonsense, she’s not POTUS qualified.

This anti-vaccine BS is nutter territory.

Put ‘em in the crazy aunt attic with Ron Paul and the 911 truthers.


268 posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:10 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: ari-freedom
and Bachmann made a psychiatric claim, that it causes mental retardation

Surprise! Brain infections have psychiatric side effects!

269 posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Kaye Bailey tried this on Perry when she ran against him for governor.

It doesn’t fly. It may crawl a few paces but that’s it.

And there are so many lies involved about donations and about the effects of the vaccine that it weakens any argument.

Plus Michele showed herself to be hysterical and ridiculous.


270 posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:22 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: laotzu

Ties to dog owners??

I did not know that. Bubba (overlarge black lab) and I will have to rethink our position on Perry.


271 posted on 09/13/2011 10:12:33 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: WOSG

Maybe Bachmann is playing up the risk more than it deserves, but darn tootin’ that brain infections can impact brain function.


272 posted on 09/13/2011 10:12:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HerrBlucher
-- Agreed, the charge of cronyism with respect to gardisil is extrememly weak ... --

I think we disagree on that point, perhaps because we define "cronyism" differently. I think the evidence of cronyism between the TX exec office and Merck is pretty strong, given that Perry's ex chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was Merck's lobbyist in Texas, advocating for the vaccine to be mandatory.

-- certainly insufficient to nix Perry as a candidate. --

I agree with that. Still, after being burned by George Bush's "compassionate conservatism" and other warning signs, I think it is prudent to gaze at political candidates without granting the benefit of the doubt.

273 posted on 09/13/2011 10:13:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: altura

I don’t think it’s any secret that Merck fanned out its salesmen to all the states. Perry should have seen this in his big picture.


274 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Scythian

Did you fail to read post No. 1. The facts are there.


275 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:04 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: tuffydoodle
Interesting comment and information tuffydoodle. It also makes the point (earlier up in the thread the comment was made about girls from "good families" can become infected too -- which is certainly true) that girls from "bad families" shouldn't be considered disposable (and cases of incest are not unheard of).

But some people come off as sanctimonious and smug about how they've raised their children, so they are insulted, offended and won't be inconvenienced by having to opt out, so have decided this should not be available as other vaccines have been.

The "shocking" comment from the doctor illustrates the problem. Thank you for sharing that story.

276 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bmwcyle

“The parents were not informed about the method to opt out. “

Not true. You are not a Texas parent, apparently, and are not well informed on this.


277 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:43 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have never been to a doctor’s office and failed to see a drug rep from some drug company or another hawking their wares.

Merck does this. All of them do.

But I love the pharmaceutical companies anyway. They have done more good for our health than doctors have.


278 posted on 09/13/2011 10:17:38 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; hellbender
“Hellbenders are one of the largest salamanders in the world, growing to over 2 feet long.” — www.hellbender.com

I should have guessed.

279 posted on 09/13/2011 10:17:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
so have decided this should not be available as other vaccines have been

Piddlesquat. It's on the market and can be had by anyone who chooses it. What it does not have is the weight of the state of Texas behond it, even if that weight is "er, ma'am, only a SUGGESTION, fill this here form to get out, and by the way pray your school does not 'loose' [sic] it."

280 posted on 09/13/2011 10:18:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: altura

In this case, Merck managed to corner a former crony of the Guv’nor, who was now on their staff. A little too cozy for comfort.


281 posted on 09/13/2011 10:20:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Maybe her constituent was lying to her, or was a Rat plant, ...........

Michele Bachmann: "However, as President of the United States there are no mulligans; there are no do-overs!!"

282 posted on 09/13/2011 10:21:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek

“I missed a good many of the vaccines that most kids were getting in the 60s and 70s. The reason I missed them is because I had a spleen issue as a child that the docs really couldn’t decipher. As a result they told my parents that they could opt out of most vaccinations and I was given some kind of waiver for school.

48 years later and I’m still pestilence free.”

You can thank all the other kids getting vaccinated then, because by doing so they stopped contagious diseases from becoming epidemics and spreading to you.


283 posted on 09/13/2011 10:23:24 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: ari-freedom
-- [Scientologists] are against modern medicine in general and Bachmann made a psychiatric claim, that it causes mental retardation. --

Again I say, I think you are confusing Scientologists (the church founded by L. Ron Hubbard) with the Christian Science Church founded by Mary Baker Eddy.

The claim/anecdote that Bachmann repeated was of a side effect to a vaccine. AFAIK, Scientologists are no more and no less infested with those who believe thimeresol or other aspect of vaccination practice causes autism, than is any other group of people.

Scientologists are NOT against modern medicine in general, and are generally eager to obtain medical care that will extend their lives.

OTOH, Christian Science bylaws state opposition to vaccination, and members will refuse treatment for many illnesses.

284 posted on 09/13/2011 10:24:28 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Piddlesquat. It's on the market and can be had by anyone who chooses it.

Now you're purposely being disingenuous. This was to make it affordable to all families who wanted it and so payment would be helped through their health insurance.

285 posted on 09/13/2011 10:25:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ilgipper

“So, your stand is that all vaccinations are bad because a state government mandates it? If that is the position of the conservative movement, it is going to be a very small movement. ... There was no dark, sinister effort here to force parents to allow something they do not want for their kids. The opt out was the simplest of the various vaccination requirements.”

Well stated.

The Government is engaged in many actions that are wrong, tyrannical, overbearing, etc.

Getting kids vaccinated from childhood diseases aint one of them.

Perry admitted a mistake on this minor issue 4 years ago. Move on.


286 posted on 09/13/2011 10:27:40 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: All; Cincinatus' Wife
If Perry wanted to make those inoculations more accessible, he could have crafted an opt-in system rather than forcing parents to opt out.

That sounds great from Rick Santorum & Ed Morrissey except opt-in isn't covered by insurance, medicaid or other programs meaning accessibility wouldn't be improved at all. It's symbolism over substance.

An empty debating society point fails in the real world where governors and presidents live.

287 posted on 09/13/2011 10:31:10 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Hepatitis B is an STD. Why do you believe it should be required based upon your previous post? It is not spread by air or water.


288 posted on 09/13/2011 10:33:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m afraid it sounds to me like the one person afflicted with mental retardation as a result of Gov. Perry’s unfortunate Gardasil mandate is Congresswoman Bachmann.

She just jumped the shark. A mandate that young girls be given a vaccine against a disease for which the main (though not only*) means of transmission is sexual activity was a boneheaded move on Perry’s part given the likely interpretation among young people as state support for sexual activity, but attacks on it should be based on the moral impact or actual, solidly-supported scientific evidence, not bogus-sounding anecdotal “evidence”.

*5% of cases of HPV of the strains causing cervical cancer are provably by non-sexual transmission, even under the classification protocol that assumes any case in a sexually active patient was sexually trasmitted, and there is at least one documented case of transmission by sharing clothing.


289 posted on 09/13/2011 10:35:54 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The gardisal thing has been tried, lately by Kaye Bailey.

It doesn’t fly. It may crawl a few steps.

This argument against Perry is so pathetic it makes one realize how little they can dig up against him.


290 posted on 09/13/2011 10:36:00 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: Paleo Conservative; netmilsmom; CodeToad; Cincinatus' Wife

No list is kept. However, parents do have to request a form, that the legislature mandated in 2005, with a “security seal” that prevents copying. The opt out form is not sent back to the state, it’s given to the school. By statute, no one keeps a list of those who take advantage of the opt out.

Before Governor Perry’s EO RP, the only way to request the form was in person or by writing. Now, because of that EO, parents may request the form on the internet, cutting time and trouble.

I’ve always been half certain that the reason the Texas Medial Association and the other medical associations did not back the EO, was primarily because it made opting out easier and side tracked plans in 2007 to make the opt out yearly. (There’s also the fact that the Governor is pro-life, and a lot of those in power hate that.)


291 posted on 09/13/2011 10:37:24 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: Vermont Lt

“While it is sexually transmitted, getting the vaccine was not a “license” to have sex. Any good parent can deal with that issue.”

Well put. And not to mention that everyone keeps talking about “sexually transmitted”. It can also be spread with even kissing. And even more fun,,,it’s extremely widespread in the general population. About 75% prevalence in the general population.
Being against mandatory vaccine,,ok. But acting like the vaccine is somehow immoral and unneeded if you will just be a good Christian is pure ignorance.


292 posted on 09/13/2011 10:38:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Scythian; All
That vaccination has done a lot of damage, anybody that says it hasn’t is ignorant of the facts.

I guess the National Cancer Institute is ignorant of the facts. /s

Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccines, National Cancer Institute

How safe are the HPV vaccines?

Before any vaccine is licensed, the FDA must determine that it is both safe and effective. Both Gardasil and Cervarix have been tested in tens of thousands of people in the United States and many other countries. Thus far, no serious side effects have been shown to be caused by the vaccines. The most common problems have been brief soreness and other local symptoms at the injection site. These problems are similar to ones commonly experienced with other vaccines. The vaccines have not been sufficiently tested during pregnancy and, therefore, should not be used by pregnant women.

A recent safety review by the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) considered adverse side effects related to Gardasil immunization that have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System since the vaccine was licensed (14). The rates of adverse side effects in the safety review were consistent with what was seen in safety studies carried out before the vaccine was approved and were similar to those seen with other vaccines.


293 posted on 09/13/2011 10:39:23 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: RockinRight
Well, it DOES seem to cause mental retardation among the other GOP candidates.

and emotional noise, too.

294 posted on 09/13/2011 10:39:51 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: Vermont Lt

“I know I would not want a kid who was un-vaccinated for the major diseases sitting next to my kid in school.”

But this is why MY kid got immunized. If the one beside them gets sick with a disease we are immune to, we can watch with detached curiosity.


295 posted on 09/13/2011 10:41:03 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: hocndoc

Interesting observations. Thanks for posting.


296 posted on 09/13/2011 10:42:46 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: TigersEye; bmwcyle

“The parents were not informed about the method to opt out.”
“ROTFLMAO Were you actually serious when you said that?”

People who are not from Texas need to stop spreading their own ignorance and making cr*p up. Yes, this includes Bachmann and Santorum, who both mis-stated Texas law last night.


297 posted on 09/13/2011 10:43:08 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: hocndoc

Totally agree. It also creates hysteria and a willingness to ignore facts.

I wish people who are for other candidates (and I am one of them ... I’m praying that Palin gets in and wins) would let up on Perry.

There are currently TWO candidates who have a real chance. Do you anti-Perry people really want Romney? I don’t. I don’t think he would be passionate about getting rid of Obama care (after all it was his idea).

If Palin decides not to run, I am very glad we have a decent alternative in Perry.


298 posted on 09/13/2011 10:45:23 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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To: thackney; Paleo Conservative
Thackney, while one of the transmission point for Hep B is sexual contact it can also be spread by other bodily fluids(which I believe is more common).

http://www.bing.com/health/article/mayo-126062/Hepatitis-B?q=hepatitis+b

299 posted on 09/13/2011 10:46:15 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

From your link:

Your risk of hepatitis B infection is increased if you:

Have unprotected sex with more than one partner
Have unprotected sex with someone who’s infected with HBV
Have a sexually transmitted disease such as gonorrhea or chlamydia
Are a man who has sexual contact with other men
Share needles during intravenous (IV) drug use
Share a household with someone who has a chronic HBV infection
Have a job that exposes you to human blood
Receive hemodialysis for end-stage kidney (renal) disease
Travel to regions with high infection rates of HBV, such as Africa, Central and Southeast Asia, and Eastern Europe

No approved school activities in that list.


300 posted on 09/13/2011 10:51:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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