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Bachmann: Gardasil causes “mental retardation”
Hot Air ^ | September 13, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: 9422WMR
Yea, that is really stupid of the government to think they can MAKE people have immunizations! What’s next, shots for polio, or tetanus, or measles, or...

Exactly! After all, nobody wants their daughter catching an STD from a toilet seat!
51 posted on 09/13/2011 8:35:46 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 6ppc

Ignorance may be part of her supposedly “extreme” position, and maybe the best data shows that the things she’s waging a scare campaign about aren’t anywhere near as common as she makes out — but I can’t say she’s any more ignorant than Perry was when he promulgated that turkey.


52 posted on 09/13/2011 8:36:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Paleo Conservative

>>Plus it puts the parents on a government list that could be abused by Child Protective Services.<<

Exactly.


53 posted on 09/13/2011 8:37:03 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: cripplecreek

What are your thoughts on the Polio and Small Pox vaccines? Should that have been a Opt In?


54 posted on 09/13/2011 8:37:03 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bachmann came off as whiny, petty and bytchy during her rant. And for whatever reason, she NEVER turned and faced Rick Perry. I got the impression she had her fingers crossed.

This rant hurt her more than it helped hurt.

She, along with Cain, might as well drop out of the race.

55 posted on 09/13/2011 8:37:22 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: thackney
I don't accept it, and I have no guy/gal.

Hell, I ain't voting anymore. Anyone who thinks voting will change anything is on drugs.

I'll let all you personality cultists play with your rubbery principles. It sadly confirms all I know about people.

Have fun!

56 posted on 09/13/2011 8:37:52 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So when was Bachmann given the vaccine?


57 posted on 09/13/2011 8:37:57 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I missed a good many of the vaccines that most kids were getting in the 60s and 70s. The reason I missed them is because I had a spleen issue as a child that the docs really couldn’t decipher. As a result they told my parents that they could opt out of most vaccinations and I was given some kind of waiver for school.

48 years later and I’m still pestilence free.


58 posted on 09/13/2011 8:38:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Realman30

the more I see and hear of Bachmann, the more I dislike her.


59 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:05 AM PDT by JFC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>>>"There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine."<<<

Anectodes are never evidence. Groan. Still, this was a clear example of crony capitalism by Perry.

60 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:43 AM PDT by montag813
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To: thackney; TigersEye
My understanding is that any parent could opt out of having this for their child under the Perry/Texas law so how can anyone continue to call it a "mandate?"

-- Correct. --

By that standard, there are no mandatory vaccines in Texas, because ALL vaccines have an opt out provision; and the conscientious objection affidavit form for opting out is available online.

61 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

62 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:49 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: bmwcyle

“The parents were not informed about the method to opt out. The procedure existed but they were pushed by the Perry admin to get the shot.”

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You are incorrect.

http://vaccineinfo.net/exemptions/index.shtml


63 posted on 09/13/2011 8:40:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There are certain highly communicable infectious diseases that are very very dangerous to not only children but adults as well. I support vaccinations for these diseases.

Not everyone who is vaccinated responds to the vaccine, however, when large enough numbers of people in the community are vaccinated it acts as a fire break, keeping the disease confined, and preventing these killing and crippling diseases from being passed around.

But....What I suspect, is that as a nation we have forgotten how devastating a plague of polio, measles, or whopping cough can be. Maybe ( sadly) we will need to go though a major catastrophic event for everyone to relearn these lessons.

64 posted on 09/13/2011 8:40:56 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: CitizenReporter

A dumb tactic by Bachmann, IMO.

Being from MN I know Michelle she jump ahead of a parade that has already toke off and thinks she is the majorette.

She did it with the Tea Party.

The Tea Party did not need a majorette they might have already had one in the gracious lady from Alaska.

Michelle is no a popular representative not because she is a leader but because she is an attention seeker.

A person on the ground in Iowa said “The difference between Michelle and Sarah is that Michelle reaches out to the crowd, whereas the crowd reaches out to the lady from Alaska.

I like Michelle but she should go back to the house and get ready to be challenged next election.


65 posted on 09/13/2011 8:41:04 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Hell, I ain't voting anymore.

That's fine. The rest of us will take the responsibility for you to decide who governs you.

Hope you like our choices.

66 posted on 09/13/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I found it interesting, that after about the 20th time of repeating “innocent 11-12 year-old little girls”.....

WHY DO YOU KEEP SPAMMING THIS POST ON MULTIPLE THREADS? We know you are in the tank for Perry, and that is fine. But please stop spamming.

67 posted on 09/13/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by montag813
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To: wilco200
The government should stay the hell out of how we choose to live.

You are taking a single issue from a 10 year record of running the state. He's bound to have made a mistake or two during the decade. There are more conservative decisions and leanings in his record than not. Sorry if he's not as perfect as Palin. I like her too but she's not going to win the general. She's tweeting from the outside looking in. The first things the other governors will hit her with is her propensity to quit when the going gets tough. What does she do if someone sues her or a family member and threatens her financial stability while she's President (the reason she gave for quitting)?

68 posted on 09/13/2011 8:42:16 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Hell, I ain't voting anymore. Anyone who thinks voting will change anything is on drugs.

Which attitude is why in 2008, 40% of Americans who would have been eligible to vote for some presidential candidate, didn't. God damn (and I mean it) these self fulfilling defeatist prophecies. ACORN never worries about that which is why they win so often.

69 posted on 09/13/2011 8:42:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This stuff ALWAYS happens within the GOP group all vying
with one another to win public approval-—I’ve even seen it
split up and leave bitter feelings with a BAD Tea Party candidate and a more moderate (but not really) Republican in a bid for Congressional seat in NY17 last year.
People like Bachmann (and from what I have only heard, Palin) wind up doing the Left’s work for them-—if Perry winds up getting the nod, the Dems then wind up with a juicy thing like Gardasil in their arsenal to use against Perry.
(Not that they weren’t ready with it anyway in that scenario)
It’s just that the Tea party has brought it up first and even THEY think it’ a game-changer-—imagine how the Dems will use it. Ultimately, though, I suppose there is some
righteous logic to this also, along the lines of “See? We take care of the corrupt who happen to be on our side, rather than avoiding or celebrating their corruption”, though that’s usually happened lately with the now-forgotten homosexual scandals of a few whose names I don’t even remember now.


70 posted on 09/13/2011 8:42:30 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Paleo Conservative; netmilsmom; CodeToad
>>Because you understood wrong. The opt out had to be by filling in a governemnt form, all things correct, filled out every two years, and many private schools refused to accept the opt-out program, placing parents of those schools in a pickle.<<

Plus it puts the parents on a government list that could be abused by Child Protective Services.

You are uninformed.

2010-2011 Texas Vaccine Exemption Information

71 posted on 09/13/2011 8:42:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Trailerpark Badass

So, your stand is that all vaccinations are bad because a state government mandates it? If that is the position of the conservative movement, it is going to be a very small movement.

States have mandated vaccinations for several generations....and rightfully so. The facts here are simple, Perry made a mistake on this issue, it was corrected, he acknowledges it. It is a negative mark, but no a disqualifier. There was no dark, sinister effort here to force parents to allow something they do not want for their kids. The opt out was the simplest of the various vaccination requirements. Perry received a paltry donation from the drug provider, hardly enough to influence policy.

If this is the worst of the charges, Perry is a shoe in. I am more interested in hearing his plans on jobs, taxes, social security and immigration to see if he is the guy I want to vote for next spring. .


72 posted on 09/13/2011 8:43:13 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: thackney
I'm sure I won't.

I don't like any of the candidates.

73 posted on 09/13/2011 8:43:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jersey117

The fluke that allowed her attackers to proceed with impunity in Alaska, does not exist in Federal law. There’s your answer.


74 posted on 09/13/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: CitizenReporter

Bachmann just jumped the shark!


75 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:01 AM PDT by xenob
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To: montag813
Still, this was a clear example of crony capitalism by Perry

What evidence do you have to support that allegation other than "after the 6k donation therefore because of the 6k donation." Do you really believe that if Perry had not gotten the 6k from Merck that he would have not gone with the mandate, and that there was no other reason to do the mandate other than "crony capitalism"?

76 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:01 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

[But on the flip side, that means more business for Merck than if it was an option at direct parental expense, where parents can see it. (It is at parental expense in the big picture, because the insurance company recoups the cost through the premiums it charges. Insurance policies never create money — never.)]

On the flip side, Merck created a vaccine that prevents women form dying of cervical cancer. Why shouldn’t Merck profit from that? It is cheaper for the insurance company to pay for the administering of the disease than the treatment of the disease. So from a state Gov’t’s perspective, when it is mandated by the federal Gov’t to provide Medicaid, I can see where it is in the state’s interest to mandate the vaccine. Imagine all the mandates that will be in the state’s interest under Obamacare. This issue actually highlights that very well.


77 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:28 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann struck out with that comment.
She is not ready for the White House.
Serious judgment issues (Ed Rollins) plus foot in mouth disease.

And bad taste in choosing hair and makeup stylists.

Like Hillary Clinton.

A woman who does not have the judgement to groom and dress and present herself as an equal of other world leaders, is not a world leader.

Now, if only Palin would hire a speech coach and learn to project like a power person, without the shrillness. And also get some advice on power hair for 45 yr old women.


78 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

That’s okay, on election day we will select one for you.


79 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am a libertarian. As a libertarian I believe in freedom so long as my actions don't hurt another. If I am not vaccinated and my children are not vaccinated then, if they get one of these diseases they are very likely to infect others. That isn't a libertarian thing to do to another.

As for homeschooling....Homeschoolers are not kept in a cage. Our kids were in ballet, when to the “Y” for swimming, took ice skating lesson, were on the ice-hockey team, and active in scouting. They went to church every Sunday and sang in the choir. So...plenty of crowds there with lots of kids and adults.

80 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:55 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: laotzu
What kind of monster is this man?

You already answered the question. He's the most evil of monsters... a *MAN*; specifically, a WHITE MAN.

Run for your life!!!

81 posted on 09/13/2011 8:45:16 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Anyhow, Perry bollixed up the ballyhooed opt-out which was supposed to defuse the controversy. Public school, no problem. But he forgot, or didn't care, that a lot of private schools in Texas reference the "mandatory" vaccination list of Texas rather than bothering to spell out what vaccinations they want. And they might not have had time to revise their policy in light of this special case, the first special case of its kind. That's why the Texas legislature was moved to shoot this turkey down.

"Additionally, some schools, daycare facilities and colleges are saying they don't have to accept the exemption. This is wrong - the law grants parents this right and the schools and daycares can't take this right away. For your convenience, we've posted links to the state statutes directly below. "

Texas vaccine exemption

82 posted on 09/13/2011 8:45:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We will see Bachmann's numbers really start to tank now. She looked like a nuttier with her shrill outburst and lies. Rick Perry’s Political Judo
83 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:03 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn’t he require teenage boys to get it too?

Teenage boys are spreading the virus. A teenage girl will usually have fewer partners then a boy. So while a girl may spread it to a couple of boys, a boy carrying the HPV virus may spread it to a dozen girls. And yes, they have proven it works on males. So I ask again, if Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn’t he require teenage boys to get it too?

Forget the charges of campaign payoffs, instead ask him if he would again make the same misogynistic choice not to require of males that which he would require of females.


84 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:27 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: laotzu
Perry also has ties to big oil, big tobacco, big cattle, the tea party, Christians, the Republicans, dog owners, & the industrial cotten complex

You forgot gun owners.

85 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:42 AM PDT by Texan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>> Neither shines a particularly favorable light on Bachmann.

Overnight, it seems, she turned from a solid conservative ideologue (though an inexperienced executive) to a flailing madwoman rivaling Ron Paul in nuttiness.

I’m glad it’s coming out now, when she’s at six percent support. We really don’t need a CinC like this. It seems the nation dodged a bullet with Michelle self-destructing.


86 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: KansasGirl

Let Merck profit, if it wants, by putting its product on the free, opt-in market.


87 posted on 09/13/2011 8:47:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: montag813
WHY DO YOU KEEP SPAMMING THIS POST ON MULTIPLE THREADS? We know you are in the tank for Perry, and that is fine. But please stop spamming.

Does truth have an expiration date?

88 posted on 09/13/2011 8:49:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
IF THE SCHOOL LOOSES THE FORM THEY CAN KICK YOUR KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL.

???

89 posted on 09/13/2011 8:49:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOL, so we would have had McCain?


90 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:01 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think some of these anti-vaccine people have the same zealotry of environmentalist who want me to light my home with candles. Yes candles use no electricity but they are also likely to burn down my house. Yes, there are risks with vaccines but there are BIGGER risks not doing them.


91 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:01 AM PDT by xenob
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Joe Wilson got beat by a write-in candidate most conservatives desipise. Could she even carry Alaska?


92 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:04 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: wintertime
There are certain highly communicable infectious diseases that are very very dangerous to not only children but adults as well. I support vaccinations for these diseases.

Right on. And since HPV is transmitted from one 6th-grade girl to another just by sitting together in the cafeteria, a vaccine is necessary to prevent a catastrophic outbreak.

That's /sarc, since I know you see the difference between highly communicable infectious diseases and HPV. Several on this thread, however, talk about HPV as though it were typhoid fever. Next they'll tell us you can catch herpes from a toilet seat.
93 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:30 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Nervous Tick

Oh gosh, she cares about things that every mother would care about. That means she’d be a lousy President. QED


94 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: bmwcyle
The parents were not informed about the method to opt out.

ROTFLMAO Were you actually serious when you said that?

95 posted on 09/13/2011 8:51:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: HerrBlucher
FWIW, in addition to the campaign contribution, the "crony capitalism" charge also has as components that Merck lobbied the states to have the vaccine mandated, by law; that Perry's chief of staff went on to work for Merck; and that the vaccine was made mandatory (to the same extent most "mandatory" vaccines are mandatory) by an executive order.

As a view of the operation of government, it's hard to argue that there isn't some crony capitalism going on there. How much, if any of it attaches to Perry, personally, is a slightly different issue.

96 posted on 09/13/2011 8:51:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Paleo Conservative

[Gardacil only protects against 4 strains of HPV]

Gardasil provides immunity to 4 strains, 2 which are the high risk strains that causes 75% of all cervical cancers.


97 posted on 09/13/2011 8:52:47 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: thackney
Your vote will be cancelled a thousand times over by fraud and stupidity.

But if voting makes you feel good, by all means, DO IT!

98 posted on 09/13/2011 8:53:02 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Frankly the whole world deserves hell. God is refraining from that for the time being. But there is less grace shown through Obama than would be through John McCain. And Sarah Palin would be coming up in 2012 — McCain was old enough that he only planned to serve one term.

The only time a completely meritorious person will have the government on his shoulders, it won’t happen through a vote.


99 posted on 09/13/2011 8:53:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: anonsquared
If Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn’t he require teenage boys to get it too?

That was almost 5 years ago.

More recently:

July 2011 - A Vaccine May Shield Boys Too Until recently, Gardasil was a girls-only proposition. Approved for young women ages 9 to 26, the vaccine promised a great benefit: protection against four strains of sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV), including two that can lead to cancer of the cervix, vagina and vulva.

Yet the vaccine has been a tough sell. It requires three shots, often painful, over the course of seven months. So far, only one in four teenage girls younger than 18 have completed all three shots.

Now, in the wake of new research suggesting that the vaccine protects against other cancers, Gardasil is increasingly marketed as an important vaccine for boys, too. The Food and Drug Administration has approved it for young men ages 9 to 26, expanding the list of indications just last December. ....."

100 posted on 09/13/2011 8:54:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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