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I found it interesting, that after about the 20th time of repeating “innocent 11-12 year-old little girls” (in the Tampa CNN-Tea Party debate, CNN post-debate, Fox News post-debate), when asked by Greta VanSusteren if she believed Gov. Perry used an Executive Order for the cervical cancer vaccine to get $6000.00 or because he believed it was a good idea and would help fight the spread of this cancer, Michele Bachmann actually stopped talking for a couple of nanoseconds, paused and said that she couldn’t look into his heart and know that answer.

The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs (not make money, reward a company (Merck contributes $Millions to political groups yearly) - encourage girls to become sexually active or even suggest that they do). The best time to administer the HPV vaccine is when girls are young (they can contract this cancer from their husbands – get oral cancer – thank you Bill Clinton for your part in making America's youth think oral sex isn't sex).

About deaths from vaccines – over 400 people die yearly in the U.S. alone from penicillin allergies. All medicine carries risks -- have you watched an Rx commercial disclaimer lately?

And it was opt out. The governor’s EO allowed easier payment due to insurance restrictions. And it was not opposed by Dr. David Stevens, CEO of the Christian Medical Association.

Why CMA supported Perry's HPV vaccination order

1 posted on 09/13/2011 8:09:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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>>>"There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine."<<<

Anectodes are never evidence. Groan. Still, this was a clear example of crony capitalism by Perry.

60 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:43 AM PDT by montag813
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62 posted on 09/13/2011 8:39:49 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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I found it interesting, that after about the 20th time of repeating “innocent 11-12 year-old little girls”.....

WHY DO YOU KEEP SPAMMING THIS POST ON MULTIPLE THREADS? We know you are in the tank for Perry, and that is fine. But please stop spamming.

67 posted on 09/13/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by montag813
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This stuff ALWAYS happens within the GOP group all vying
with one another to win public approval-—I’ve even seen it
split up and leave bitter feelings with a BAD Tea Party candidate and a more moderate (but not really) Republican in a bid for Congressional seat in NY17 last year.
People like Bachmann (and from what I have only heard, Palin) wind up doing the Left’s work for them-—if Perry winds up getting the nod, the Dems then wind up with a juicy thing like Gardasil in their arsenal to use against Perry.
(Not that they weren’t ready with it anyway in that scenario)
It’s just that the Tea party has brought it up first and even THEY think it’ a game-changer-—imagine how the Dems will use it. Ultimately, though, I suppose there is some
righteous logic to this also, along the lines of “See? We take care of the corrupt who happen to be on our side, rather than avoiding or celebrating their corruption”, though that’s usually happened lately with the now-forgotten homosexual scandals of a few whose names I don’t even remember now.


70 posted on 09/13/2011 8:42:30 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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Bachmann struck out with that comment.
She is not ready for the White House.
Serious judgment issues (Ed Rollins) plus foot in mouth disease.

And bad taste in choosing hair and makeup stylists.

Like Hillary Clinton.

A woman who does not have the judgement to groom and dress and present herself as an equal of other world leaders, is not a world leader.

Now, if only Palin would hire a speech coach and learn to project like a power person, without the shrillness. And also get some advice on power hair for 45 yr old women.


78 posted on 09/13/2011 8:44:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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We will see Bachmann's numbers really start to tank now. She looked like a nuttier with her shrill outburst and lies. Rick Perry’s Political Judo
83 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:03 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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If Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn’t he require teenage boys to get it too?

Teenage boys are spreading the virus. A teenage girl will usually have fewer partners then a boy. So while a girl may spread it to a couple of boys, a boy carrying the HPV virus may spread it to a dozen girls. And yes, they have proven it works on males. So I ask again, if Perry truly believed that this vaccination would halt the spread of HPV, then why didn’t he require teenage boys to get it too?

Forget the charges of campaign payoffs, instead ask him if he would again make the same misogynistic choice not to require of males that which he would require of females.


84 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:27 AM PDT by anonsquared
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>> Neither shines a particularly favorable light on Bachmann.

Overnight, it seems, she turned from a solid conservative ideologue (though an inexperienced executive) to a flailing madwoman rivaling Ron Paul in nuttiness.

I’m glad it’s coming out now, when she’s at six percent support. We really don’t need a CinC like this. It seems the nation dodged a bullet with Michelle self-destructing.


86 posted on 09/13/2011 8:46:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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I think some of these anti-vaccine people have the same zealotry of environmentalist who want me to light my home with candles. Yes candles use no electricity but they are also likely to burn down my house. Yes, there are risks with vaccines but there are BIGGER risks not doing them.


91 posted on 09/13/2011 8:50:01 AM PDT by xenob
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Santorum was correct: this was bad policy, typical big government action.

Bachmann might have played it over the top, but this is corporatism. While I don’t think there was a quid pro quo - here’s $5K and you sign this EO - I think it is an example of crony capitalism where the donation and job for his chief of staff gave Merck access to Perry, where they were able to sell him on this.

Whether talking about Cifra, Merck, or a host of other companies, Perry is a corporatist - big government for big companies through exclusive access and no-bid contracts.

I’m just amazed how many so-called self-proclaimed conservatives are all for the government micro-managing medicine via mandates. Suddenly, the end justifies the means, although they condemned similar actions by Mitt Romney or Obama (they’re all wrong!).


109 posted on 09/13/2011 8:56:09 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Don't wait, join/donate now to restore the US: http://www.organize4palin.com/)
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Michele Bachmann actually stopped talking for a couple of nanoseconds, paused and said that she couldn’t look into his heart and know that answer.

Since this followed her slanderous bomb of that exact charge to Gov. Perry, it is a face-palm moment for MB. Michele, desperation does not become you.

113 posted on 09/13/2011 8:58:27 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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Does anyone think it's amusing that people here are defending a position that even Perry admitted was wrong? Hilarious!

Get the government out of the pushing and shoving business! Controlling socialist fascists with an "R" are still over controlling socialist fascists. The docs could easily recommend this vaccination without government involvement!

Nanny staters all over this thread..yuck!!

116 posted on 09/13/2011 8:59:06 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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Even assuming that this anecdote is arguably true, it wouldn’t be either “mental retardation” or autism, but brain damage.

Um, yeah, but the brain damage could result is what is commonly called "mental retardation". If this is the term the mother used (which could be very likely), then why get all twisted up about Bachmann using the term.

Good grief, just plain silly the things people get their panties in a wad over.

The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs

Government needs to keep their noses out of personal decisions. You wouldn't want Michelle Obama to push dietary laws through that you had to "opt out" of, would you?

123 posted on 09/13/2011 9:01:13 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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The last thing we need is this morphing into an anti-immunization (junk medicine) discussion which overshadows other issues.

Repeating an anecdotal account as fact was irresponsible. The mother may very well believe Gardisil caused her daughter's mental retardation. Her belief does not make it so.

“Innocent young girls” does not convey an issue of safety and efficacy. It conveys an image of 11 year old girls held down, violated sexually with an injection which will somehow force them to become sexually active with multiple partners before the age of 18.

These debates allow the cream to rise to the top (and the rocks to sink to the bottom). Blitzer did a pretty good job compared to the previous debates. I hope the future debates continue the trend.

130 posted on 09/13/2011 9:03:45 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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It appeared (at least to me) that Bachmann was running interference for Mittens last night. Could she be working for a spot on a ticket with him? If Romney were to win the nomination (shudder), he'd need a conservative on the ticket if he's going to have any hope of attracting conservative voters. Unfortunately, Bachmann came of as very unpresidential. Then, making matters worse, she tells John King of CNN that presidents can't make mistakes. Good grief.

Then she goes on Greta and can't back up her charge that Perry made his decision on Gardasil for a $5,000 campaign contribution. Desperate people say and do unfortunate things. I'm done with Bachmann and I think her 15 minutes are up.

134 posted on 09/13/2011 9:04:47 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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Making policy based on anecdote is always a bad idea.


137 posted on 09/13/2011 9:05:38 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (I'll follow an eloquent Allen West out of hell.)
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Texas. Retards. We’re just splitting hairs here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA2Yj8Pksmg


141 posted on 09/13/2011 9:06:41 AM PDT by tumblindice (Governor Rick Perry: "No border fence")
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Her strength is her knowledge on taxes and the economy. She should focus on that. Don’t think her Gardasil attack in the overall scheme of things is going help her any.


148 posted on 09/13/2011 9:07:52 AM PDT by cblue55 (It's either America, or Obama. It cannot be both!)
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I may be the only person on this board who thinks the opt-in, is not the way to go for this particular vaccine, beyond the insurance qualifications requirement of opt-out. It’s target is sexually active (or soon to be) teens. Does anyone think that parents who are either out of touch with or who condone their young children’s sexual activity are going to take the time to do an opt-in? Ain’t gonna happen.


151 posted on 09/13/2011 9:10:13 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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Good post.

The last paragraph describing Santorum's position is spot on.

There is a good case to be made against opt-out mandatory HPV vaccination without crossing the line into anti-vax moonbattery....Santorum made that case, Bachmann appears to have at least put a toe across that line.

153 posted on 09/13/2011 9:11:19 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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