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SHTFPlan.com ^ | 13 September 2011 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 09/13/2011 9:41:57 AM PDT by Errant

On the ground report from Greece by Manos September 11, 2011

After our socio-fascist government implemented all of Germany’s directives, the Greek people have come to an absolute desperation and poverty.

What is also outrageous is the fact that are own government has passed the message to the global banksters and other nations that Greek people are lazy and incapable.

Today, after two years of screwing and pressing us, most households and businesses have stopped paying. Stopped paying taxes, utility bills, toll fees, or anything else related to the government.

Two hours ago, this same government announced a new property tax (added to the 2 previous ones). This one will be calculated on every and each household, business, cottage, or even a barn for animals. It will be 4 euros per square meter calculated immediately, to be paid by this December the latest.

Once again let me tell you that we are not a lazy nation or useless people.

This has to do with some 4% of the working force, and all of them public servants who were hired by each government in order to gain votes for its next election campaign. So what’s actually happening is the same person who hired those people, now tries to persuade the rest of the nation that they are incapable.

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1 posted on 09/13/2011 9:42:08 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

“Today, after two years of screwing and pressing us, most households and businesses have stopped paying. Stopped paying taxes, utility bills, toll fees, or anything else related to the government.”

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It should happen here.

Now.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 9:44:40 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Errant

Holy cow!

This will not end well.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 9:45:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Errant

bump.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 9:47:01 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Errant

Thank God I live in the United States, a land truly of Milk and Honey even in the absence of a economic monetary system.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 9:47:12 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Errant
This has to do with some 4% of the working force, and all of them public servants who were hired by each government in order to gain votes for its next election campaign.

This sounds vaguely familiar.............

6 posted on 09/13/2011 9:50:47 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Errant
The centralized planning that was supposed to prevent this is what actually caused it.

Read Hayek.

Harvard Business School (and it's like) is the cancer in the US Economy.

7 posted on 09/13/2011 9:50:52 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Errant

“Two hours ago, this same government announced a new property tax (added to the 2 previous ones). This one will be calculated on every and each household, business, cottage, or even a barn for animals. It will be 4 euros per square meter calculated immediately, to be paid by this December the latest. “

Hmmmmm......sounds like California to me.


8 posted on 09/13/2011 9:52:37 AM PDT by RC2
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To: dila813; All
To top it off, we have the absurdity of Tiny Tim Giethner in Germany telling them screw their taxpayers again:

Tim Geithner Tells Germany It Has To Sacrifice More Taxpayer Money To Protect The Status Quo

It seems to me that things are getting starting to get out of control.

9 posted on 09/13/2011 9:55:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
It will be 4 euros per square meter calculated immediately, to be paid by this December the latest.

I'd imagine if you dont pay this, the law will come after you and throw you in prison and take your land anyway, right? Same thing happens here. If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail.

10 posted on 09/13/2011 9:56:43 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Red Badger
This sounds vaguely familiar...

Except our public servant to private business ratio is about 10 times higher than Greece's 4%, if that is an accurate figure.

11 posted on 09/13/2011 9:58:40 AM PDT by Errant
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To: RC2

In Texas, my property tax has gone up 10% (more with their fuzzy math and rounding up) every year but one. We may have to move.


12 posted on 09/13/2011 9:59:36 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: EyeGuy

Especially in California. The state legislature needs to learn a good lesson.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 10:00:36 AM PDT by RC2
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To: bgill

With property values going down so much, many people are approaching their tax people to have the value of their property reconsidered and having their taxes reduced. You maybe could try that.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Pietro
It's the Keynesian bile for sure.

Mussolini recognized, “Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes’ excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics.”

Keynes saw the similarities too, admitting his theories, “can be much easier adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state than . . . a large degree of laissez-faire.”

15 posted on 09/13/2011 10:05:07 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Errant
From another thread:

Günther Oettinger, Germany’s representative on the European Commission, said last week that Europe should send United Nations soldiers to Greece to liquidate its assets and force tax collection...

Run that one through your head for a moment. UN military tax collectors, operating within a sovereign country. The last international organization that tried that in Greece was the Ottoman Empire. UN military tax collectors. If you used that in a novel people would accuse you of paranoid conspiracy theory.

16 posted on 09/13/2011 10:06:49 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Soothesayer9
Apparently not in Greece if what I've read and heard is true.

I ran into this a while back, worth a read:

TAX ADMINISTRATION EPIC FAIL
17 posted on 09/13/2011 10:07:10 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: RC2

Did that. They went down until the next installment was due, then they were back up again. Despite the drop in property values, the politicians fool with the numbers to make sure they get what they want from the taxpayer.


18 posted on 09/13/2011 10:07:58 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Errant
This has to do with some 4% of the working force, and all of them public servants who were hired by each government in order to gain votes for its next election campaign.

But surely the other 96% of the work force could have voted against such measures these past 20 years or so!

The economic mechanics of this crash are well understood and well publicized. What's not being admitted are the moral underpinnings of these policies; policies based on the morality of mooching and looting. Is it not true that the other 96% of the work force in Greece were hoping that they, too, would be able to redistribute someone else's productively earned wealth to themselves so that they, too, could get "free" benefits at someone else's expense?

Yes, I think so.

Economics is a very important subject to study nowadays, but what many people don't understand -- including many economists, by the way -- is that underneath economic systems lie moral systems.

19 posted on 09/13/2011 10:08:05 AM PDT by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: Soothesayer9
I'd imagine if you dont pay this, the law will come after you and throw you in prison and take your land anyway, right? Same thing happens here. If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail.

If enough people do this they literally can't jail them all.

What's next? Bullets and lime pits?

20 posted on 09/13/2011 10:09:26 AM PDT by null and void (Day 966 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: Billthedrill
Günther Oettinger, Germany’s representative on the European Commission, said last week that Europe should send United Nations soldiers to Greece to liquidate its assets and force tax collection...

Wow! And if NATO refuses, will Germany send its troops?

WWIII

21 posted on 09/13/2011 10:10:43 AM PDT by Errant
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To: bgill; RC2
Hmmmmm......sounds like California to me.

In Texas, my property tax has gone up 10% (more with their fuzzy math and rounding up) every year but one. We may have to move.

Lemme guess, RC2 is one of those who pointed fingers at Californians, like many others from Texas and elsewhere, who repeatedly said illegal aliens in California are Californians fault, and they deserve everything they get. Yet in Texas, Perry is just an innocent by-stander who is powerless.

More twisted cockn'bull hypocrisy.

22 posted on 09/13/2011 10:15:27 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Soothesayer9

I’d imagine if you don’t pay this, the law will come after you and throw you in prison and take your land anyway, right? Same thing happens here. If you don’t pay taxes, you go to jail.


The problem will be that nobody pays the extra tax. Even the policeman wouldn’t pay the tax.................he might not even have a job by then.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 10:15:30 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: dragnet2

Where are you coming up with this crap? I live in Northern California and have never said it was Californians fault when considering illegals. Talk about “cockn’bull?


24 posted on 09/13/2011 10:20:36 AM PDT by RC2
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To: GoodDay
underneath economic systems lie moral systems.

Agree, that's why government should never take from one to provide for another. All taxes should go to the good of all (e.g. roads, bridges, defense, etc). That's not to say that government couldn't play a role in regulating insurance or insurance plans.

Charity is the responsibility of the churches, civic groups, businesses, and individuals - not government, IMO.

25 posted on 09/13/2011 10:21:10 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Fu-fu2

I feel for you. I’m sure California will attempt to get away from our tax laws, or at least revise them so they can raise our taxes also. Good luck.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 10:22:51 AM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2

Last year our property values were officially reduced.
The same piece of paper increased the property taxes.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 10:25:49 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Soothesayer9; null and void; cornfedcowboy
I'd imagine if you dont pay this, the law will come after you and throw you in prison and take your land anyway, right? Same thing happens here.

The law?

Ya talking about the same law that panders to millions of criminal illegal aliens while forcing the tax payers to subsidize them?

It's too late, there are tens of millions of empty homes in America now, deteriorating sinking into the ground, as millions went jobless and couldn't pay their bills. How'd that work out?

Are you talking about the same law that bailed out big biz, Wall Street and the banksters on the backs of the tax payers, who are now on their knees?

Is this the law you're talking about?

28 posted on 09/13/2011 10:25:54 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RC2
Hmmmmm......sounds like California to me.

In Texas, my property tax has gone up 10% (more with their fuzzy math and rounding up) every year but one. We may have to move.

Lemme guess, RC2 is one of those who pointed fingers at Californians, like many others from Texas and elsewhere, who repeatedly said illegal aliens in California are Californians fault, and they deserve everything they get. Yet in Texas, Perry is just an innocent by-stander who is powerless.

More twisted cockn'bull hypocrisy.

Where are you coming up with this crap?

Is this, the, "Lets play stupid game"?

I don't care where your from, fact is this has been pushed down our throats for years, here and elsewhere, thousands of times.

29 posted on 09/13/2011 10:30:26 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Soothesayer9
I'd imagine if you dont pay this, the law will come after you and throw you in prison and take your land anyway, right? Same thing happens here

How come the law panders to millions of illegal aliens, but legitimate U.S. Citizens are on the meat hook and must obey all laws or else, all while being forced to subsidize millions of criminals?

WTF is up with that?

30 posted on 09/13/2011 10:35:32 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Errant

which straw is going to break the camel’s back?

Hard to tell, because every straw is going to hit the camel’s back at the same time.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 10:36:00 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dragnet2

Let’s see....the topic was “taxes” and you go off on me because of illegals. Brilliant.


32 posted on 09/13/2011 10:39:03 AM PDT by RC2
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In Texas, my property tax has gone up 10% (more with their fuzzy math and rounding up) every year but one. We may have to move.

the topic was “taxes” and you go off on me because of illegals.

My point is the hypocrisy is up to our necks and rising rapidly.

33 posted on 09/13/2011 10:44:12 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Errant

Yikes that would come to $3825.28 USD for a 50’x150’ lot.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 10:44:40 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dragnet2

And that relates to “taxes”? How? I’m trying to understand your line of thought.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 10:46:07 AM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2
the topic was “taxes” and you go off on me because of illegals.

BTW, it might come as a surprise to you, but this epic invasion of millions of illegals, has *everything* to do with taxes.

Tens of millions of illegals have compromised and undermined our entire system, including our electoral process, choked off our schools, jails, social services, hospitals, killed, raped, robbed shot, kidnapped, ran over, burglarized hundreds of thousands of Americans, turning our borders into a lawless national security time-bomb.

It's costing Americans hundreds of *billions* in tax dollars..

36 posted on 09/13/2011 10:48:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Errant

When I visited Greece in 1987 I was struck by the frequent unruly communist-led parades of workers demanding higher wages, more benefits, free health care, and longer vacations.


37 posted on 09/13/2011 10:52:21 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: dragnet2

Cloward-Piven’s a bitch, and the Republic dies.


38 posted on 09/13/2011 10:56:52 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: RC2
With property values going down so much

As we say, "Texas is a whole 'nuther world." Unlike the rest of the country, property values here have done nothing but gone up, up, up. So many yankees are moving in (and bringing their wacky ideas) and are willing to pay just shy of CA prices. With the rapid rise in property values, the tax office just laughs and tells you you're currently paying under the value so no way will they give you a break.

39 posted on 09/13/2011 11:05:37 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: Soothesayer9
Methinks you missed this line:

Today, after two years of screwing and pressing us, most households and businesses have stopped paying. Stopped paying taxes, utility bills, toll fees, or anything else related to the government.

And...now the Greek gov't is demanding another payment on top of it all. If nothing comes of paying all other gov't bills, what's to worry about not paying yet another?

I sure don't advocate such behavior here, for the same reasons you express, but do wonder how many people are already not paying such bills. That factoid would get little press if any, lest it inspire more perpetrators, but if the number not prosecuted grows fast enough and beyond a critical mass we'll see the same consequences here.

40 posted on 09/13/2011 11:08:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Errant

Manos sounds about as credible to me as Ulsterman


41 posted on 09/13/2011 11:18:17 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: chris_bdba

My take was it was for building size, not lot size. Average (2000 sq ft) home would be around $1000.


42 posted on 09/13/2011 11:25:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: bgill

People moving into our area do the same thing....in regards to whacky ideas. Property in rural areas have pretty much held their own. But....city people seem to try and change things to what they had in the big cities. I’m expecting to see, someday, street lights on dirt roads. One thing about our area though is that when something is built that people don’t want, it seems to get torn down. I wonder why?


43 posted on 09/13/2011 11:30:26 AM PDT by RC2
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To: bgill
In Texas, my property tax has gone up 10% (more with their fuzzy math and rounding up) every year but one. We may have to move.

At least it's inexpensive to tag vehicles in Texas. I know, because it seems about 25% of Kansas residents tag their vehicles in Texas.
44 posted on 09/13/2011 11:57:08 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: Errant
After our socio-fascist government implemented all of Germany’s directives we burned through the latest multi-billion euro aid package from the German taxpayer in no time flat and still all we do is riot instead of getting our sh!t together and try to do some actual work to get out of our home made mess, the Greek people have come to an absolute desperation and poverty.

There, fixed it for you.

45 posted on 09/13/2011 12:53:26 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: bgill

This is part of the reason we left Texas in 04. When they say, “Texas has no state income tax”, watch out for a property tax increase.


46 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:33 PM PDT by STYRO (UNSPEND)
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To: RC2

Count yourself lucky. The wackos fall all over themselves to change our way of life out in my neck of the rural woods.


47 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:32 PM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

PING!!


48 posted on 09/15/2011 11:32:05 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: EyeGuy

Greece went galt?


49 posted on 09/15/2011 11:35:18 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Billthedrill

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/28/greeces-fire-sale-shunned

Debt-laden Greece finds no buyers in ‘fire sale’ of national assets

Greece puts €50bn of national assets on sale in hotel ballroom but private equity firms are not interested

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.....representatives of the country’s government were at Claridge’s hotel trying to drum up international investors’ interest in a “fire sale” of its national assets.

Up for sale are 39 airports, 850 ports, railways, motorways, sewage works, a couple of energy companies, banks, defence groups, thousands of acres of land for development, casinos and Greece’s national lottery. George Christodoulakis, Greece’s special secretary for asset restructuring and privatisations, said the sell-off would raise €50bn (£44bn) to help pay back the country’s €110bn bailout debt.


From stuff I’ve read today China may buy. Crazy that a country’s government can sell the very land to others. Evil insanity.


50 posted on 09/15/2011 11:37:45 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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