Skip to comments.The right and wrong way to talk about Gardasil
Posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:03 AM PDT by Lakeshark
A month ago, I was fringe for spotlighting Rick Perrys Gardasil problem.
As I said then, its not just a single-issue, one-off problem. Its about his instincts, judgment, non-apology apology, and ethics.
For everyone still catching up, heres my column from a month ago.
Now, Gardasil is the search word of the day. And theres a new development.
After successfully highlighting Perrys troubling abuse of executive power during last nights debate, Michele Bachmann risks blowing it with some factually inaccurate assertions.
Shes RIGHT on the principles, wrong on some of the details.
She needs to stay on message and stick with the facts.
(Excerpt) Read more at michellemalkin.com ...
i cant believe they are getting off on this irrelevancy. reminds me of the flouride BS in the 50’s and 60’s.
makes us look like crazies.
govt is out of control, lets focus on that and forget about gardasil for now
“govt is out of control, lets focus on that and forget about gardasil for now”
Sorry, but that IS THE POINT!!! Perry MANDATED IT: Government out of control!
However, the real disaster of Rick Perry is his shameless, short-sighted pandering to La Raza and CAIR. This man hasn't a clue about the reality of life: Demography is destiny. California is now a reliably Leftist state, thanks entirely to the "Hispanic" Invasion. Elect Perry, and we may have a few years of slowdown in govt. growth, but we will lose the war irreversibly.
Full disclosure: I like Palin, Cain and Bachmann. I'm neutral on Perry (but not growing fonder). I will not vote for Romney, Huntsman, or Paul. I like Santorum, but he's sort of not worth talking about.
No she hasn’t, but she clearly does not like Perry. She also has often chided Romney, so I doubt she is for him.
If so, the word "mandate" has a new definition.
wrong hill to die on.
repeat: makes us look like crazies. we can defeat obama but we cant go psycho on these kind of issues. just my opinion.
Well, first of all, your statement is BULL SHITE!
In 2003, four years before Gardasil was approved by the FDA, Rick Perry supported and signed into law a bill allowed Texas parents for the first time in state history, to OPT OUT of ANY ...GET THAT ANY....immunizations they deemed dangerous to their children. That law is STILL IN EFFECT!
When the feds said make Gardasil available to Texas parents who want the vaccination available through SCHIP and Medicaid, the drug HAS TO BE on the state’s mandated list of immunizations. Perry simply wrote out an ExO that put it on the mandated list and then in the second sentence put the decision right back in the hands of the with an OPT OUT if they don’t want it or an OPT IN if they did.
The MANY PARENTS WANTED IT! THE MANY PARENTS DIDN’T...PROBLEM SOLVED!
STOP THE DAMNED LIES PEOPLE!
That's a mandate, you can explain it away all you want.........
I understand the need to go on the attack, especially when she's becoming a non-factor in this primary. But she does herself no good when she starts to lie about the EO, and insinuating Perry is responsible for mental retardation. She starts putting herself into the Ron Paul section with accusations like that.
>government is out of control. let’s focus on on that and foreget about gardasil for now.<
We won’t get far if we discard our principles.
So, you believe that any government intrusion is OK as long as there is an “opt out” provision of some sort?
Government can enter your home at will, unless you fill out a government form, perfectly correct, and mail it in every two years, BUT private companies do not have to obey such opt out provisions??
Government can search your person at will, unless you fill out a government form, perfectly correct, and mail it in every two years, BUT private companies do not have to obey such opt out provisions??
Government can declare you guilty without trial, unless you fill out a government form, perfectly correct, and mail it in every two years, BUT private companies do not have to obey such opt out provisions??
You are supporting government tyranny under the guise that there was this “opt out” provision.
“The Texas state legislature repealed the order (over Perrys hysterical objections) before any girl was forcibly vaccinated.
And while individual stories of Gardasil harm may or may not be true (Bachmann cited a mother who thinks the vaccine caused mental retardation in her child while making the post-debate rounds), its not the primary case she should be making.”
Bachman is okay but she SHOULD frame the issue as coerced government intrusion and the LACK of consent needed by PARENTS.
Gardasil is an example of how government is out of control!
Bachman is a straight forward conservative, so she will NOT like either Perry or Romney.
I'd say that's the subject matter that will win the White House.
But, having said that, I will add that it is our socially liberal impulses that have caused government to balloon to enormous size. We want to save the snail darter, we want to take care of the elderly and sick and poor, we want to build nations in Iraq, Afghnaistan and everywhere else.
One way to approach Economic Conservatism is to also push Social Conservatism. They are linked.
I agree that Gardasil seems like a distraction -- but a candidate who thinks safety is the most important thing and that ramming through medical "mandates" with an executive order is a good idea, is someone who is likely to sign us up for a variety of expensive "feel good" government programs.
I wouldn't make Gardasil quite such a big thing, but Gardasil did tell me some unpleasant things about Perry.
These are good points, and while many will view the issue as a distraction from more important issues, like the survival of America, it does speak to Perry’s principles, or, possibly, lack thereof. Apologies only mean something when followed by a change of behavior and actions. Has Perry seen the error of his ways, or is his apology followed by a but. Is Perry playing conservative for political expediency, or has he been enlightened by conservative thinking and principles? I don’t know, but pretending conservatism isn’t as simple as pretending liberalism. All the latter requires is lack of good character and stupidity.
I would not bet that she knows it (well, she probably does now). She makes her share of gaffes and was probably just talking about something she knew little about.
Bush ahd the right idea on NCLB BUT the teachers PERVERTED his agenda. Now, they sideline and ignore the bright motivated kids and it gave them another excuse to LOWER STANDARDS and CONTENT. That is where NCLB is perverted.
Sorry, there is no way to defend this one.
Parents could opt out. Some mandate.
By your definition Palin mandated it also.
FYI: I am a Cain supporter.
My kids will NOT be taking ANY sucj vaccine.
They are NOT allowed to have sex, PERIOD.
They already KNOW there is NO such thing as “safe sex”.
I get as graphic and factual as I need to get when I remind them of that FACT. We know WHERE they are and WHAT they are doing. So it will be impossible for them to be promiscious. Yes, parents like us still exist. Believe it or not!
You still don’t get it.
It took the Texas Legislature to overturn Perry’s Executive Order mandating children receive the shot. Perry was, and still is in beleifs, a Democrat until he was 40 years old and it shows. What a tyrant!!!
Perry mandated Gardisil.
Romney mandated purchasing of healthcare insurance.
” It’s a little hard to force somebody to take the vaccine when they don’t have to take it if they don’t want to. “
Did they tell the girls they had the choice? No, they did not.
Did they give ample time for parents to opt out? No, they did not.
Did they tell private schools that the law of mandate was not a mandate after all? No, they did not.
Why the Hell do We the People even need to “opt out” of tyranny???
Do I need to “opt out” of the government invading my home?
Do I need to “opt out” of the government not providing me a jury?
Do I need to “opt out” of the government not allowing me to vote?
This support the Democrat RINO Perry at all costs is suicide!
The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs (not make money, reward a company (Merck contributes $Millions to political groups yearly) - encourage girls to become sexually active or even suggest that they do). The best time to administer the HPV vaccine is when girls are young (they can contract this cancer from their husbands get oral cancer thank you Bill Clinton for your part in making America's youth think oral sex isn't sex).
About deaths from vaccines over 400 people die yearly in the U.S. alone from penicillin allergies. All medicine carries risks -- have you watched an Rx commercial disclaimer lately?
And it was opt out. The governors EO allowed easier payment due to insurance restrictions. And it was not opposed by Dr. David Stevens, CEO of the Christian Medical Association.
"VAN SUSTEREN: Well, there's a big difference, though, at least in my mind, whether you do it because you really believe it's the right and you're just flat out wrong or you shouldn't have done it or whatever, and the other difference is whether you did it because you wanted a campaign contribution. And I'm curious which you think was the one here with the governor.
BACHMANN: Well, of course, I don't know the thoughts and the intents of the governor's heart. I have no idea what they are, nor would I speculate." SOURCE
I don't care if Perry was financially motivated, politically motivated, or just wanted to do the right thing. That's irrelevant. It was the wrong policy, period.
Son, I, my children, and my grandchildren and the many of the same all over the freaking US, have been subjected to mandatory immunizations since back in the 1940’s. ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE A HUE AND CRY ABOUT IT IT NOW? YOU’RE A LITTLE LATE!
Evidently you can’t READ! Governor Perry himself respected Texas parents enough in 2003 to let THEM decide what needles children get stuck with.
My daughter opted out in 2003! She never has a do a damned thing about immunizations that she and her doctor don’t throughly agree with her children getting! Her children’s immunizations are kept up to date ONLY when they’ve had a thorough exam on their condition and she and her doctor approve!
THEN WHY MANDATE IT? I suggest he did it to attract funds, or some other means of support from Merck.
I think this is the fourth time I’m posted this and gotten no responses on the pro-Perry threads. What action did governors of the other 49 or 56 states take concerning Gardasil? Was Perry the only governor who deemed executive action appropriate on a new vaccine?
If he was, then it does look like he decided to take a very unusual approach for some reason. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of governors mandating vaccines before.
Perry admitted he was wrong, but if he was kicking and screaming as he was overruled, that ain’t good.
If Obama made a deal with Merck an had Kathleen Sebilius ordering it for their daughters, everyone on this site would be pissed as hell.
I guess words don't mean anything in the English language anymore.
Perry is simply pandering to the right in order to get nominated. In Texas, he pandered to the "Hispanic" lobby and the Muslim lobby for his own short-sighted political interests. Once in D.C., he will not need conservative backing any more, and will show his instincts, which are those of a "moderate" Democrat (he supported Al Gore on the theory that Gore was a "moderate" at the time, which was completely untrue anyway). It is a fatal mistake to think that Slick Rick is a dedicated conservative.
The deal killer is his illegal immigration record.
Even with opt outs I don’t like mandates where the govt encroaches on you and enforces your behavior, and then you got to beat them off every two years or so or otherwise you get sucked into the mandate too.
Michelle should have handled it by knocking Perry for the Guardasil mandate, Romney for the RomneyCare mandate, and then tied it back to the ObamaCare mandate. Then drive it home right to the personal responsibility them she talked about in an earlier question.
HE MANDATED IT BECAUSE THE FEDS HANDED DOWN REGULATIONS THAT SAID PROVIDE IT FOR SCHIP AND MEDICAID CHILDREN! IN ORDER FOR MEDICAID AND SCHIP TO PAY FOR IT IT HAS TO BE ON THE STATE’S MANDATED LIST.
AGAIN, THE MAN MANY PARENTS WANTED IT. THEY’RE NOT STUPID, THEY KNOW WHAT SOME JOCK MIGHT BRING TO THE THEIR DAUGHTER!
THE MANY MANY PARENTS DIDN’T!
HE GAVE THEM ALL THE OPT OUT OR THE OPT IN IF YOU WANT TO PISS AROUND WITH FREAKING SEMANTICS!
If Obama sponsored a Gardasil mandate law, took Merck money and had a staffer-turned-Merck lobbyist, it would be an issue.
Really, it makes you look more like a fool than crazy, because you clearly don’t understand what the debate is about.
The Gardasil argument isn’t just about Gardasil, nor is it about vaccines in general. It is about the over-reaching of government and the stench of big government cronyism.
Then, there’s the defiant demagoguery that Perry used to defend his position against the people of Texas and the legislature.
The other side of the story:
Gardasil was believed to be a way to stop certain types of cancer among young women. Studies appearing in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2007 found that Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions caused by the the strains that Gardasil protects against. Gardasils effectiveness increased when given to girls and young women before they become sexually active. Gardasil was found to be extremely effective in preventing several (but not all) of the strains of HPV known to cause cervical cancer and genital warts.
Cervical cancer is the second leading cancer killer of women worldwide. In the United States, nearly 10,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer each year and 3,700 women die.
In June 2006, The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended administering the vaccine to girls between 11 and 12 years of age, before they become sexually active.
Some critics have claimed that Gardasil has a record of very serious safety issues. That obvious attempt to further tarnish Perrys image by intimating that not only did he do the bidding of Merck in ordering the vaccinations, he did so without considering the possible serious side effects. The CDC has been following Gardasil since its licensing and some current facts follow. Taken from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website:
Since licensure, CDC and FDA have been closely monitoring the safety of HPV vaccines. As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil® have been distributed in the U.S. and the safety monitoring system (VAERS) received a total of 18,727 reports of adverse events following Gardasil® vaccination. As with all VAERS reports, serious events may or may not have been caused by the vaccine.
Of the total number of VAERS reports following Gardasil®, 92% were considered to be non-serious, and 8% were considered serious. Out of 35,000,000 doses distributed, there were 1,498 occasions of serious complications; that equates to a .0000428 chance that a dose will cause a serious adverse reaction. Hardly enough to consider the vaccine a very serious safety issue as claimed by some critics.
As of June, 2011, the CDC says: Based on all of the information we have today, CDC recommends HPV vaccination for the prevention of most types of cervical cancer. As with all approved vaccines, CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor the safety of HPV vaccines. Check out the CDCs statements about Gardasil for yourself. And specifically check out the Summary at the end for the CDCs conclusion about Gardasils effectiveness.
You bet it would.
I was responding to the sentence above marked with carrots.
I repeat, we will not get far if we discard our principles!
Unless all that gobbledygook tells us anything about the Obama style cronyism between Merck and Perry, it’s worthless in this argument.
One of many issues I am totally agnostic about. Pales to insignificance alongside the real problems we face as a nation and which the next election ought to be focused on.
> Bachmann is a steaight forward conservative, so she will NOT like either Perry or Romney<
Nor should any straight forward conservative voter!
The problem with your “cronyism” charge is that at the time, there was one vaccine for HPV, and it was made by one company. http://wingright.org/2011/09/13/one-more-time-perry-gardasil-and-the-facts/
Have a FABULOUS day!