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Opposing HPV Vaccine "Unethical" - M.D. Anderson Cancer Center President
Texas Tribune ^ | September 13, 2011 | Reeve Hamilton

Posted on 09/13/2011 11:03:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Gov. Rick Perry's 2007 attempt to require that girls in Texas be vaccinated against the human papillomavirus, commonly known as HPV, has become a political hot potato. But Dr. Ronald DePinho, the new president of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, says the vaccine is not just sound but "one of the great scientific advances in the history of medicine."

In last night's GOP presidential debate, Perry faced repeated criticism from other candidates for his HPV push. Michele Bachmann said it was “flat out wrong” to require that “innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order.”

Part of Bachmann's critique was that Perry's executive order, which he now says he would handle differently, was the byproduct of cronyism. Perry's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey was a lobbyist for the drug company Merck, maker of the vaccine, at the time. In interviews following the debate, Bachmann reportedly went even further, suggesting that the vaccine was a ""a very dangerous drug" and could cause "mental retardation."

But today, in an interview with the Tribune, DePinho said that as a physician, as the president of a leading cancer research institution and as a father of two young girls, "there's only one path here, which is to support vaccination."

"To do anything else would be unethical," DePinho said.

His recommendation for anyone who opposes the vaccine: "Visit one patient with cervical cancer in an advanced state."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cancervaccine; captaingardasil; cervicalcancer; gardasil; hpv; hpvvaccine; mdanderson4perrycare; mdandersonvschoice; nochoice4you; notacancervaccine
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 11:03:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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.....>>>"VAN SUSTEREN: Well, there's a big difference, though, at least in my mind, whether you do it because you really believe it's the right and you're just flat out wrong or you shouldn't have done it or whatever, and the other difference is whether you did it because you wanted a campaign contribution. And I'm curious which you think was the one here with the governor.

BACHMANN: Well, of course, I don't know the thoughts and the intents of the governor's heart. I have no idea what they are, nor would I speculate."<<<.... SOURCE

Reasons for HPV vaccine

2 posted on 09/13/2011 11:06:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
M.D. Anderson is apparently VOID OF ETHICS.

CDC: "As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil®
were distributed in the U.S. and VAERS received a total
of 18,727 reports of adverse events

As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports
of death among those who have received Gardasil®."


"Foaming at the mouth, shock, seizures, paralysis,
coma-even death have been reported
as a result of taking the vaccine Gardasil from Merck ... "


"Gardasil Causes 400 Percent More Deaths than Other Common Vaccine
A federal report has concluded that the human papillomavirus (HPV)
vaccine Gardasil has a 400 percent higher rate of adverse effects
than another comparable vaccine, the Menactra anti-meningitis shot. "

3 posted on 09/13/2011 11:07:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Oh good grief. It’s one of the leading cancer treatment and research centers in the world.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 11:11:13 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, even in the medical community you can find people that will tell you anything you want to hear.

Start asking a broad spectrum of people in this community what they are doing with their ten year old daughters, and I’ll bet you find a fairly large group that are playing wait and see, as well they should.

This is not a highly contagious communicable disease. As such ten year old girls should not have been forced to do something they had no control over.

Without the state’s and their own parent’s permission, they could not have opted out on their own. For a non-communicable disease, that is incredibly wrong.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 11:11:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: McLynnan

I believe that was the sarcastic point. Read on...


6 posted on 09/13/2011 11:14:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: Diogenesis
....apparently....

According to you M.D. Anderson is an unethical medical center because they want to PREVENT cancer?

You have no boundaries do you?

7 posted on 09/13/2011 11:14:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: McLynnan
It was once. If they do not support INFORMED CONSENT
and understand RISK, then they should never be trusted
again.

Gardasil by RINO Mandate is wrong.
Patients have rights, too. Not JUST Drug companies.

Despite Dr. Ronald DePinho's alleged statement
(and it is doubtful it was taken in context)
the equation for the NET Benefit of a medical treatment is:

NET BENEFIT = (Risk with NO treatment)*(the net benefit of the treatment) - (The risk of harm).

Oncologists at M.D. Anderson once knew that.

8 posted on 09/13/2011 11:16:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann’s demagoguery of this issue last night was irresponsible. Language such as “forced government injection,” “innocent little girls”, and saying that a “woman came up to her crying” because this vaccination caused her daughter “mental retardation” is the type of inflammatory language and dishonest tactic I’d expect from a democrat not a conservative. If Bachmann wants to have an HONEST discussion about this issue then fine, but her dishonesty is out of line.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 11:16:56 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Untruthful, you are.

Gardasil does not prevent cancer, so stop lying.


10 posted on 09/13/2011 11:18:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As responsible parents, we had both daughters receive the Gardasil vaccinations during their teen years. They both had zero side effects, and if they will have much better chance of resisting cervical cancer, all for the good. That cancer is very insidious and not worth the risk of any possible side effects from the vaccine. The percentage of girls with side effects is so small anyways. Has any one heard of children having adverse reactions to any of the commonly use medications? Like OTC cough syrup & aspirin? Yes, it happens, so should we stop taking all medications, since every medication has had some side effect to some one? Nothing in life is 100% guaranteed. So wise people should weigh the odds of failure versus benefits received.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 11:21:30 AM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: Diogenesis
You didn't listen to the video did you?

The cervical cancer vaccine is to PREVENT cancer.

12 posted on 09/13/2011 11:21:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis

Perry’s mandate has nothing to do with the clinical research stature of M.D. Anderson. I live in Texas, I saw the forms that came home with school children. Should Perry have handled this differently? Yes, he says in retrospect he would have done it differently. But no little school girls were forced to have a vaccine their parents objected to. M.D. Anderson is a fine institution and doesn’t deserve your slur.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 11:21:51 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Diogenesis
Did you even read the VAERS report? Did you see the disclaimer at the start of the report that states that VAERS reports cannot be used to claim the vaccine is responsible for the reactions reported?

68 deaths and 35 million doses distributed.

NSAIDS (aspirin, ibuprofen, acetominophen, etc) kill over 16,000 each year.
14 posted on 09/13/2011 11:22:11 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Uh... Cinncinnnatus Wife...cigarette smoking causes cancer, right? Do you think the govt. has the right to mandate that no one smoke cigarettes? I want an answer now. No more Perrybot obfuscating, got it?


15 posted on 09/13/2011 11:24:40 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So now that Bachmann has had an ass chewing by me and the many others that bothered...she’s going to try to back pedal...

Sorry, Michelle, TOO LATE, you were dishonest and won’t get a dime or words of support from this chick...


16 posted on 09/13/2011 11:24:51 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: McLynnan

Then they should stick to their area of expertise and leave ethics to the individual.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 11:25:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Sudetenland

Yes. So what.
The issue is that MANDATING Gardasil untested
to chaste children was a RINO idea.

Also, the risk equation above suggests that you should
not put acetominophen in the same tier with aspirin
or its precursor.


18 posted on 09/13/2011 11:25:21 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: federal__reserve
Thank you for making good points!

Then, this is just being reported.

Sarah Palin’s Alaska Took Federal Funds to Increase Access to Gardasil

19 posted on 09/13/2011 11:26:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: McLynnan
Yes, he says in retrospect he would have done it differently.

He admits it only because he was overrruled by the real conservative in Texas. Maybe he admits he was wrong to support Al Gore too. He has yet to admit he was wrong to support Rudy Giuliani, or taxpayer subsidies of illegals' anchor babies at State universities. Slick Rick is no conservative. He is a hack career politician who counts votes, then decides what to do.

20 posted on 09/13/2011 11:28:19 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Tell you what.

Give us the FDA label
that Gardasil injection PREVENTS cancer
and we will stop.

If you cannot, then you and Perry
withdraw by 5 PM Pacific time.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 11:28:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: federal__reserve
As responsible parents, we had both daughters receive the Gardasil vaccinations during their teen years.

Did you buy them condoms also?

22 posted on 09/13/2011 11:29:25 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If there is an “Opt-Out” can it really be a requirement?
23 posted on 09/13/2011 11:30:09 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: hellbender
Uh... Cinncinnnatus Wife...cigarette smoking causes cancer, right? Do you think the govt. has the right to mandate that no one smoke cigarettes? I want an answer now. No more Perrybot obfuscating, got it?

The sun causes cancer -- should the govt. mandate we turn it off?

Don't bother answering.

24 posted on 09/13/2011 11:31:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hellbender
He is a hack career politician who counts votes, then decides what to do.

True. He took a beating on any number of issues last night but this is to one he thinks can distract the people the best so his little sycophants are going to harp on it.
25 posted on 09/13/2011 11:32:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ROFL!!!! Oh smack! As a two time survivor of skin cancer/chemo because I lived the majority of my life half naked in the sun...I’m laughing, but grimly. ROFL!


26 posted on 09/13/2011 11:36:04 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Diogenesis
Tell you what. Give us the FDA label that Gardasil injection PREVENTS cancer and we will stop. If you cannot, then you and Perry withdraw by 5 PM Pacific time.

I realize "Gardasil" is your FR signature issue Diogenesis but the president of M.D. Anderson and the medical community say this is a huge break through -- that the prevention of cancer has been the goal-- and that's what VACCINES do -- prevent. No more ultimatums. I don't know you but I do know M.D. Anderson and the quality cancer center that it is. Listen to the video.

27 posted on 09/13/2011 11:38:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann is pathetic in claiming “she would not speculate”. If so, why did she try to connect Merck campaign contribution to Perry’s EO decision?


28 posted on 09/13/2011 11:43:15 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

2008 article:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_20/b4084032485505.htm

Harvard’s DePinho is working with Merck on cancer drugs

Same guy

Obvious conflict of interest I found it in under 30 seconds.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 11:46:25 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I gotta tell you, Cincinatus, since the day Perry announced, you've been one of the most obnoxious people on Free Republic. Just an observation, not a criticism.
30 posted on 09/13/2011 11:46:49 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope all this stuff goes away soon. Tempest in a little teapot.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 11:47:59 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: miss marmelstein
I gotta tell you, Cincinatus, since the day Perry announced, you've been one of the most obnoxious people on Free Republic. Just an observation, not a criticism.

Was I obnoxious when I was posting all those nice Sarah Palin threads? Not criticizing your observation of me. just curious.

32 posted on 09/13/2011 11:49:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: icanhasbailout

Do you despise companies that develop, manufacture and sell drugs?

Give me some clue?

Or is this just grabbing at anything to elevate [fill in the blank] for 2012?


33 posted on 09/13/2011 11:52:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Probably.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 11:52:38 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Diogenesis; Jeff Head

“M.D. Anderson is apparently VOID OF ETHICS.”

Maybe Jeff Head can weight in on your opinion, Diogenesis.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 11:53:24 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I despise inside dealing and corruption, in whatever form they may come.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 11:53:56 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: DoughtyOne
agree not necessary, I would not believe the government nor the pharma. The only way to find out is to read a PDR (physician's desk reference). That will list all risks and contraindications...that is the only thing I would believe on what the vaccine is all about... For those not in the medical field, it lists every drug, its chemical compounds, its risk, its contraindications and lists all results of the vaccine.. Since its a new drug, you would need the 2011 edition...it comes out every year and all doctors have one in their office.
37 posted on 09/13/2011 11:54:06 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: miss marmelstein

And here I was under the impression that “miss marmelstein” was in favor of free speech.


38 posted on 09/13/2011 11:54:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis

“Opt out” no mandate.


39 posted on 09/13/2011 11:55:33 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: icanhasbailout
I despise inside dealing and corruption, in whatever form they may come.

Yes. And.....

40 posted on 09/13/2011 11:56:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No, I wouldn’t try and stop anyone’s free speech. I just wanted you to know that I’m tired of your bullying tone on FR.


41 posted on 09/13/2011 11:57:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

42 posted on 09/13/2011 11:57:33 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m BULLYING who?


43 posted on 09/13/2011 11:58:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis
CDC
44 posted on 09/13/2011 11:59:51 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Diogenesis

Please stop trolling on Perry threads. Thank You.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 12:00:20 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Sudetenland
In 2007, when Texas governor Rick Perry issued
an executive order that all girls entering the 6th grade
would receive Gardasil, parents were furious.
Some argued that the vaccine would promote promiscuity.
The order was eventually overturned."


"Critics rip Perry's vaccine mandate
Governor rejects opponents' calls to reverse order
AUSTIN - Gov. Rick Perry stood firm Monday against a political firestorm generated by his
order that sixth-grade girls be inoculated against a sexually transmitted virus linked to cervical cancer.
Social conservatives from Texas to Washington called on Perry to reverse his order making
Texas the first state to require the vaccine, saying the mandate makes sex seem permissible
and that parents should be the ones to decide whether to immunize their daughters.
And several Texas lawmakers expressed outrage at Perry for circumventing the legislative process. "


"RP65 - Relating to the immunization of young women
from the cancer-causing Human Papillomavirus.
Friday, February 02, 2007 o Executive Order
BY THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS
Rules.The Health and Human Services Executive Commissioner
shall adopt rules that mandate the age appropriate vaccination
of all female children for HPV prior to admission to the sixth grade."


The definition of mandate is a command by a person,
group, or organization (the 'mandator') to another
(the 'mandatary') to act in a particular way, or here
to ingest, inject, imbed a poison or other substance
they do not want and for which informed consent was
never taken.

46 posted on 09/13/2011 12:02:22 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: icanhasbailout

I wonder which cancer institue you would turn to if, god forbids, that should be necessary? Maybe you can find one that dosn’t believe in modern drugs.

Also, who do you think does the research on drugs to find drug advances? Drug companies such as Merck.


47 posted on 09/13/2011 12:02:49 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So you and Perry SWEAR that the FDA and your Office
say Gardasil PREVENTS Cancer, right?

Challenge:

Perry must resign by Friday if you cannot prove that.


48 posted on 09/13/2011 12:02:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You have a bullying tone which you use on everyone who doesn’t think Rick Perry is the bee’s knees.


49 posted on 09/13/2011 12:03:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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I am so sick of this. There is a difference between “supporting” something, and making it a required vaccine for school attendance. The government, once again, has NO RIGHT to mandate a vaccine if a child can’t contract it sitting next to another in school. The opt-out provision isn’t the point. The point is that Perry obviously has no problem with using the power of the state for social engineering.


50 posted on 09/13/2011 12:04:07 PM PDT by Politicalmom (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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