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Herman Cain the Most Interesting Presidential Candidate
Yahoo News ^ | 9/13/11 | Mark Whittington

Posted on 09/13/2011 12:56:17 PM PDT by justsaynomore

COMMENTARY | Herman Cain, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO and current candidate for president of the United States, may not get the Republican nomination. But he remains the most interesting man running for the Oval Office. For instance, Cain's "9 9 9" proposal, which essentially would replace the current tax code with a 9 percent flat tax on personal income, a 9 percent corporate tax, and a 9 percent national sales tax, has the virtue of being simple, easy to understand, and appealing to anyone who has had to struggle with complying with the tax code. Cain's proposal, repeated during the CNN/Tea Party Debate, reminds one of Steve Forbes' championing the flat tax during the 1996 campaign. Cain, in the same debate, suggested a market-oriented health care reform idea...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fairtax; healthcare; hermancain; socialsecurity
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 12:56:26 PM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: justsaynomore

It would be interesting to see what the effect would be on the economy. A lot more money freed up with lower rates, but a bit of a stifling effect on consumption with an aggregate sales tax rate close to 18% in many parts of the country.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 1:00:14 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: justsaynomore

9 9 9 is the type of real radical change that washington needs.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 1:00:51 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: justsaynomore

Of all the candidates IMHO Cain is the most compelling. I don’t know why he can’t seem to get any traction, everything’s Perry/Romney


4 posted on 09/13/2011 1:01:56 PM PDT by YankeeReb (No matter what, AB0 in 2012.)
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To: justsaynomore
Now that Mitt is no longer leading the polls, the left want the Republicans to select Cain.

Cain is a good man but without the executive experience needed to do the job.To the left he is malleable

5 posted on 09/13/2011 1:01:56 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Taggart_D

Having BOTH a federal income tax AND a national sales tax is a bad idea, like having TWO camels’ noses in the tent.

One or the other, please, but NOT BOTH.


6 posted on 09/13/2011 1:04:10 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Candor7

>>Cain is a good man but without the executive experience needed to do the job

I assume you meant “without the government experience”. Cain has plenty of executive experience in the Real World.


7 posted on 09/13/2011 1:05:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: justsaynomore

i like herman cain a lot.

my wife and i hoped for palin,

and now we like perry.

but cain is rising in stature, and would make an excellent president.


8 posted on 09/13/2011 1:06:21 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Candor7

Sorry, no. The “left” routinely leaves Cain out of every conversation of potential candidates. They are clearly pushing Romney, Huntsman because they are dem lite, and Perry.

Have you not seen the last three debates (CNN, CNN, MSNBC)? Cain gets 5 minutes of a 1 1/2 hour debate. He’s not even included on half the polls they run.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 1:06:21 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: justsaynomore; Taggart_D

What ever happened to Cain’s original love for the Fair Tax?

He was touting it in the past and then suddenly we have this 9-9-9 plan popping out of the blue...

I’d really love to see anything that clips the wings of the intrusive IRS and the Fair Tax looks to be it. Now it looks like we’re back to the IRS once again ( with one of the 9’s being the income tax ).

BTW, what’s to stop the 9 from becoming a 10 or 11 in the future?


10 posted on 09/13/2011 1:08:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: justsaynomore

agree.

if romney is the republican candidate,

i will not vote.

against my beliefs, i voted for bush 2 and bush 3.

and look what it got us—debt.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 1:09:21 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: justsaynomore

To add to my last post - every now and then Cain will get a commentator, or blogger (even from a liberal news source) who likes what he has to say. But he is not front page for them, he is looked at as fringe. They simply do not want others (especially blacks) to hear what this man has to say.

Liberals will never promote a Fair Tax guy LOL


12 posted on 09/13/2011 1:10:23 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: USNBandit
“a stifling effect on consumption”

Yeah our current tax system with its stifling effect on income and wealth creation is just SO much better /S

13 posted on 09/13/2011 1:10:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Candor7

I maintain he is fully qualified to be President and that the MSM will not give him any consideration of being electable because they know if they put a decent black man against Obama that he ( Obama) will be shown
To be the pitiful man he is.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 1:11:24 PM PDT by trustandobey (I STAND WITH ISRAEL " NOT GOING TO HAPPEN")
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To: Candor7
Cain is a good man but without the executive experience needed to do the job.To the left he is malleable

First of all, Cain has had 25+ years of "executive experience" as someone who has run major companies and built them up into corporations. Which would mean he has 4,000% more executive experience than Obama.

Secondly, we don't need anymore career politicians in the White House. You must be a Romney supporter if you want someone who has nothing but career politician "executive" experience.

To what "left"? They are ignoring him in all the MSM, it's all Romney/Perry with a little Bachman.
15 posted on 09/13/2011 1:11:43 PM PDT by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great sight for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: YankeeReb

I hope he’s on the ballot when the primaries get to my state. I will vote for him in the primaries.

Crackers for Cain!


16 posted on 09/13/2011 1:12:47 PM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way..")
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a whole discussion on this here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777586/posts


17 posted on 09/13/2011 1:12:53 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: justsaynomore

That’s what I’ve been muttering for weeks. He’s right on the issues. He’s quick with a humorous quip. He has what it takes. Even Rush tends to ignore him. I don’t know whom I’ll support if Herman fails to gain some traction. It’s frustrating in the extreme. sd


18 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:14 PM PDT by shotdog (I love my country. It's our government I'm afraid of.)
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To: Taggart_D
999 is an initial improvement but there is a great danger in that it keeps the income tax and the IRS meaning the government must still dossier every American.

The Beast must first be killed by repealing the 16th amendment (I would also favor the immediate execution of anyone who would propose reviving it as well.) THEN the sales tax could be imposed.

Otherwise we will wind up with both income and sales taxes and the end will be worse than the beginning.

19 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:14 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: YankeeReb

Its the newsmedia and nothing more.Cain is a real great guy and knows his stuff backwards and forwards.


20 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:14 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In short -

9-9-9 is TEMPORARY - it is a bridge to the Fair Tax.

It is a flat tax, but everyone gets skin in the game. The numbers amounts will be limited by law. If Congress tries to mess with it - the whole country is affected not just the wage earners. Can you imagine the backlash? Right now, half the country doesn’t care of they change the amounts because it doesn’t affect them.

It isn’t ideal like the Fair Tax, but it is more palatable for many and is a great way for people to try it before jumping in 100%. Maybe it is time for people to stop and think about the fact that the reason we don’t have FT is it has always been promoted as “all or nothing”. I am a 100% FT supporter and I love this idea.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 1:16:54 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Candor7
but without the executive experience needed to do the job

That indicates a complete ignorance of Herman Cain's history on your part. Of all the candidates he has the most executive experience.

Not sure who's campaign talking points you are regurgitating but your comments here are completely divorced from reality.

22 posted on 09/13/2011 1:17:02 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: justsaynomore
Herman Cain for Labor Secretary .....
23 posted on 09/13/2011 1:20:04 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: justsaynomore
Herman Cain might be not only the best man for the Presidency and the best man to beat Obama, but he might also be the best man to beat Perry and Romney!
24 posted on 09/13/2011 1:20:35 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: MNJohnnie

Cain has lots of business executive experience. He has no governmental executive experience, and the left wants Cain because of that fact. They see him as malleable, one who can be shaped by their press and protest tactics.

In times like these we need a president who has such governmental executive experience and who is distinctly pro military on the record.


25 posted on 09/13/2011 1:21:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: justsaynomore
9-9-9 is TEMPORARY

and the income tax was never to exceed 2% of income on only the largest incomes.

And the temporary tax to fund the Spanish American War lasted over 80 years.

26 posted on 09/13/2011 1:22:06 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Cowman

My understanding is 999 would transition to Fair Tax (along with the repeal of the 16th) in less than one Presidential term. All of that can be written in the bill. If you have a majority of like-minded people in Congress, it is very doable to be fully Fair Tax before 2016.

So why doesn’t he do Fair Tax now? I heard it is because after talking to many well-respected economists, Cain feels the country is in bad enough shape that there needs to be some money coming in for a transitional period just to get from A to B.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 1:23:08 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Cowman

My question to you is this - how is what we have better than what Cain proposes?

You say amounts can be raised. But they can be raised now, and half the country doesn’t care because they don’t pay tax. In flat tax, everyone is affected.


28 posted on 09/13/2011 1:25:59 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: brent13a

ain has no government executive experience, and has no record of strongly supporting the military. Cain does not have the survival skills to be an effective president during these times.

No, I am not a Romney supporter. I am for Perry or even better, Palin.

Without government executive experience, the leftists Obama has now appointed into government positions will be all over Cain.He just hasn’t got the experience.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 1:27:02 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: justsaynomore

The 2% was raised because only that minority was affected. Then more and more were affected.

But with flat tax every has skin in the game.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 1:27:33 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Candor7

Cain will fire the czars. He will replace cabinet members with likeminded conservatives. My guess he will have a republican majority in the house and probably senate. Our best chance to turn things around.

If a company is failing, they bring in outside consultants because people inside are too close to the problem. It’s time for an outsider.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 1:29:37 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: justsaynomore

Why not 8, 8, 8? Or even 7, 7, 7?


32 posted on 09/13/2011 1:31:48 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: justsaynomore

I will say one more thing, then I have to run to a baseball game - but 2012 is our BEST chance to get a fiscal conservative in the WH (in Cain’s case he happens to be socially conservative too). We can make real, deep changes in our country since I believe we will have a republican majority all around. We don’t have to settle for a moderate. Obama has screwed things enough that we CAN put the person in we want. We just have to get busy and get them elected!

Many have said the GOP won’t select Cain. GOPs all over the south have Cain in first. The GOP is conducting phone calls nationwide and asking people’s opinions on Cain. Don’t count him out!


33 posted on 09/13/2011 1:33:34 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Candor7

How’s that McCain guy working out for you?


34 posted on 09/13/2011 1:34:12 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: Candor7

I trust a businessman more than I trust a politician.

Cain is the real deal and he can get the job done. They want to silence him because he’s not an insider.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 1:34:19 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Drawsing

Because economists have said that is the amount the country can scale down but continue to operate until the Fair Tax can be implemented.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 1:34:54 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: justsaynomore

I like Cain, and Bachmann, and Santorum. Actually I would vote for just about any of them over Obama.

The only ones I really, really don’t like are Paul and Huntsman, and up against Obama I’d hold my nose and vote for them too.


37 posted on 09/13/2011 1:36:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: justsaynomore

Also, during the time between 9-9-9 and Fair Tax, Cain and Congress(and I believe he will get them on board) will be doing deep cuts in spending - horizontally and vertically, including entire agencies (EPA, etc) so that Fair Tax is more readily implemented.


38 posted on 09/13/2011 1:37:01 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Candor7
but without the executive experience needed to do the job

Well, that didn't stop the Kenyan.

39 posted on 09/13/2011 1:38:33 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: USNBandit

Some of it would be offset in a decrease in product price due to the offset reduction of corporate taxes...


40 posted on 09/13/2011 1:38:37 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Candor7
Cain is a good man but without the executive experience needed to do the job.To the left he is malleable

He has executive experience, all in the private sector, which is much more than Soetoro had when he fooled the voting public into voting for him. IMHO the MSM won't give him any traction because his 9-9-9 proposal will really upset a lot of sacred cows, but it will make this economy hum.

Perry /Romney seem too squishy on the border for my taste , but to see how I'll vote in the general, see my tagline ;-)

41 posted on 09/13/2011 1:50:41 PM PDT by YankeeReb (No matter what, AB0 in 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind
BTW, what’s to stop the 9 from becoming a 10 or 11 in the future?

LOL, that would be great compared to what we have now. The short answer to your good question is , like all these tax proposals, the devil is in the details.

42 posted on 09/13/2011 1:54:04 PM PDT by YankeeReb (No matter what, AB0 in 2012.)
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43 posted on 09/13/2011 2:03:01 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: justsaynomore

Unfortunately a flat/sales/consumption/VAT tax has proven to be the socialism of the right: sounds like such a good idea, but in practice proves to be a moral hazard for mere mortal men.

That is, once it is installed, it is too easy for pols and bureaucrats to jack it up out of control.


44 posted on 09/13/2011 2:04:47 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: justsaynomore

I’d love to see Palin run, but Cain has my FULL confidence...IMO we need BOTH of them leading us.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 2:09:24 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: brent13a; Candor7
You must be a Romney supporter if you want someone who has nothing but career politician "executive" experience.

That was an extremely and uncalled for low blow.

46 posted on 09/13/2011 2:21:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: shotdog
I don’t know whom I’ll support if Herman fails to gain some traction. It’s frustrating in the extreme. sd

In my opinion, Herman Cain would be an excellent choice and I too will vote for him in the primaries. My fear is that conservatives will split their votes among Cain, Bachmann and Perry and the socialist, scum bag, low life, Romney will sashay into the nomination, with a lot of democrat help from the open primary states.

I pray that Romney will be eliminated very early in the primary process because I will never vote for him in the primary or the general. McCain was the one and only liberal I have ever voted for and that fact still haunts me.

47 posted on 09/13/2011 2:30:38 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: justsaynomore
It is a flat tax, but everyone gets skin in the game.

It will never ever happen. Some kind of exemption or "rebate" will be built in for the tax takers at the expense of the tax payers.

Keep in mind that one of the greatest "gimmes", the Earned Income Tax Credit, was signed into law by a republican president.

Proposed by Richard Nixon, signed into law by Ford and increased under every administration since, without exception. It is a huge transfer of wealth from tax payers to tax takers and ever growing.

When conservatives suggest just slowing down the growth of this monstrosity, liberals scream, "robbing the poor" and republicans promptly tuck their tails between their legs and run for the nearest cover, scared to death.

When 50% or more of the populace are net tax takers, that status won't change, short of a revolution and I mean a real revolution, not just one at the polls.

48 posted on 09/13/2011 2:42:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: justsaynomore
The numbers amounts will be limited by law.

Laws can be changed.

49 posted on 09/13/2011 2:49:38 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

Yes, but you miss the point of temporary. You also miss the point of public pressure because everyone would be affected (unlike our current system)

Do you really believe that they would pass this 9-9-9 plan and within two years (before the Fair Tax is implemented) the SAME Congress would change the amounts and tick off EVERYONE in the country? I don’t see that.

I’ll ask you what I ask everyone, and you tell me how our our current system better?


50 posted on 09/13/2011 3:05:50 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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