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“Opting-Out” of HPV Vaccine WILL NOT WORK for Many in Texas (So there will be no doubt)
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Posted on 09/13/2011 1:04:49 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper

“Opting-Out” of HPV Vaccine WILL NOT WORK for Many in Texas Governor Perry is misleading legislators and families in Texas by claiming that they will be able to “opt-out” of having their 6th grade daughter vaccinated with the vaccine for the sexually transmitted virus HPV. For many families currently, the exemption isn’t worth the piece of paper it is printed on. Besides the simple fact that parents should not have to get permission from the state to make informed consent medical decisions for their own children, here are four reasons why “opting-out” of sate mandated vaccines doesn’t work for many families in Texas:

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Clearing up the opt out...
1 posted on 09/13/2011 1:04:56 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper
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To: winoneforthegipper

Opting-Out” of HPV Vaccine WILL NOT WORK for Many in Texas
Governor Perry is misleading legislators and families in Texas by claiming that they will be able to “opt-out” of having their 6th grade daughter vaccinated with the vaccine for the sexually transmitted virus HPV. For many families currently, the exemption isn’t worth the piece of paper it is printed on. Besides the simple fact that parents should not have to get permission from the state to make informed consent medical decisions for their own children, here are four reasons why “opting-out” of sate mandated vaccines doesn’t work for many families in Texas:

“Opt-out” or Conscientious Exemption to Vaccination Process is a Bureaucratic Nightmare
To get the exemption form, parents must first submit a written form to State Health Department in Austin which forces the disclosure of the child’s full name, birthdate, and mailing address. The Health Department takes those written requests and creates yet another form on which they print the child’s same personal information that the parent had to send to health department, and the Health Department sometimes takes weeks to mail out these forms inevitably disrupting the child’s school attendance. The Health Department only sends the forms by U.S. mail, and once the parent receives the forms, they must be notarized within 90 days of submitting them and then repeatedly resubmitted every 2 years even though there is no expiration set in statute. [1] Because the Health Department further eroded parental rights by publishing more rules getting rid of provisional enrolment for exemptions, (families used to have 30 days at the beginning of school to get their paperwork in), now schools participate in aggressive misleading education campaigns touting “no shots – no school” while not informing families of the exemption or the instructions how to obtain it.

Private Schools Deny Admission
The Texas attorney general issued an opinion in April of 2006, ga0420, that states that private schools do not have to accept the conscience exemption to vaccination in Texas Law[2], and many private schools do not. For example, the Dallas Diocese for Catholic Schools policy number 5024 states, “Schools will comply with immunization requirements established by the Texas Catholic Conference Education Department. Conscientious objections/waivers are not accepted in schools of the Diocese.” [3] Every new vaccine mandate causes more children with valid legal exemptions to be denied their private school education.

Doctors Refuse Medical Care
Even though you may be able to get a piece of paper from the state health department affirming your right to refuse state mandated vaccines for your child, just try and find a doctor who will honor it! According to a recent study published in the Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, 39% of pediatricians surveyed said they would throw kids out of practices who are not vaccinated. [4] PROVE has documented this rampant problem of doctors dismissing families utilizing a vaccine exemption in Texas to the legislature in previous sessions. Please review our report entitled “The Erosion of Public Trust & Informed Consent through Immunization Harassment, Discrimination and Coercion” prepared for the House Public Health Committee in 2005. [5]

Insurance Rates Rise and Accessibility Affected
Responsible parents who have secured health care coverage for their children will be forced to pay higher insurance rates whether they want the HPV vaccine or not. Even if you “opt-out” of the HPV vaccine mandate for Gardasil by Merck by securing a conscientious exemption waiver, there is no way for Texas parents to “opt-out” of the corresponding rise in their insurance premiums. § 1367.053. (a) (2) of the Insurance Code REQUIRES that any vaccine required be law must be covered by insurance. [6] This first-dollar coverage requirement results in corresponding direct hiking of insurance premiums to meet costs, and for a vaccine as expensive as this one, an HPV vaccine mandate risks putting premiums for basic health care coverage out of reach financially for even more Texas families. Additionally, we have received complaints from families where insurance companies are harassing parents with letters and discriminating on coverage based on whether or not the child has had all their state mandated vaccines.
[1] http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/school_exclusion.shtm
[2] http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/GA/GA0420.pdf
[3] Policy Handbook for Schools, July 6, 2006, Policy 5024.
[4] WebMD, “Refuse Vaccine, Get ‘Fired’ by Pediatrician?” by Daniel Denoon, October 3, 2005.
[5] http://www.vaccineinfo.net/harassment/report.pdf
[6] http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/IN/content/htm/in.008.00.001367.00.htm#1367.053.00


2 posted on 09/13/2011 1:05:26 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

“The Texas attorney general issued an opinion in April of 2006, ga0420, that states that private schools do not have to accept the conscience exemption to vaccination in Texas Law[2], and many private schools do not. “

That’s their choice, not the govt. And it is a parent’s choice to send his kids to a private school.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 1:10:19 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Notice that this story is from 2009. The program was stopped before it began by the legislature. Which means that the political genius Perry was not able to convince the legislature that his program was the way to go.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 1:11:17 PM PDT by DManA
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To: winoneforthegipper
"When both the House and Senate repealed the law six weeks later, Perry did not — as he now claims — listen humbly or “agree with their decision.”

Human shield demagoguery. In response to the legislature’s rebuke, the infuriated governor attacked those who supported repeal as “shameful” spreaders of “misinformation” who were putting “women’s lives” at risk. Borrowing a tried-and-true Alinskyite page from the progressive left, Perry surrounded himself with female cervical cancer victims and deflected criticism of his imperial tactics with emotional anecdotes.

He then lionized himself and the minority of politicians who voted against repeal of his Gardasil order. “They will never have to think twice about whether they did the right thing. No lost lives will occupy the confines of their conscience, sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.” Perry, of course, has now put his own ghastly Gardasil order on that same altar — but with no apology to all those he demonized and exploited along the way."

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Rick gets funny when you start messin with his money.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2777761/posts?page=20

5 posted on 09/13/2011 1:13:14 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: winoneforthegipper
"Insurance Rates Rise and Accessibility Affected"

Do you even understand how insurance companies work? If there is a known treatment that will prevent or even greatly decrease the likelihood of a person contracting a disease which costs thousands of dollars to treat and they do not avail themselves of that treatment, then it would be irresponsible for any insurance company not to treat those people differently from how they treat those who avail themselves of it. It's called good business practice. Insurance is a matter of shared risk vs. cost.

Private schools . . . the operational word there is PRIVATE.

Private physicians . . . again, the operational word there is PRIVATE. I'm sure if someone opts out, they will be able to find a physician to care for their kid.
6 posted on 09/13/2011 1:19:53 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Sudetenland
Dude and without the mandate insurance companies would do what?

Don't post to me like somehow you have an angle better than mine....I hope you “UNDERSTAND”.....!

Honestly you Perry people are more than annoying...you had to know that Perry was not vetted and your damn ass lucky he's gettin it now, cause u know Obama would have tore his butt up on this subject.

So shut your hole and listen for awhile...it will serve your candidate well.

7 posted on 09/13/2011 1:24:30 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

“Dude,” grow up. Nobody cares about Gardasil but clowns who obsess about inconsequential things because they suit there own political agenda. Stop hyperventilating over Gardasil, it isn’t going to help whoever it is you are hoping to advance at Perry’s expense. There are only two candidates in the race for the Republican nomination, Romney and Perry. No one else is qualified for the job—except for Huntsman and he isn’t going anywhere.


8 posted on 09/13/2011 1:32:18 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Sudetenland

You think this is about Gardesil?

Do me a favour....don’t bother posting back to me...your level of comprehension has been exposed.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 1:40:10 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper; Mr Rogers; 2ndDivisionVet; humblegunner; Cincinatus' Wife; Diogenesis; ...

best summary i’ve seen yet on this.

I wish Perry supporters would cheer his good points, while not be dishonest hypocrites about his warts.

...i’m tired of seeing the causally dismissing “besides, there was an opt-out...”.

Perry is just another big government establishment authoritarian, when he forces Parents to do this. (and, he agrees with the NY Times, and the U.N. !)

and, the developer of Gardasil herself, came out against it!
““At a cost of $360 dollars for the full 3-shot course of vaccine, that comes to about $900,000,000 to prevent one death.”
“Gardasil is intended to protect againist FOUR types of HPV. But there are over 120 different strains of HPV.”

http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/
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Mandating this, for young girls, forcing parents to jump through hoops and sign notarized documents every 2 years, pay higher insurance costs, etc. is simply wrong !

(and, Perry was AGAINST the opt-out, also!
guess his support for individual rights stops with guns...)

especially when probably many of these Parents, were evangelical Christians, (who’s daughters are NOT sexually active and don’t need this), and who voted for Perry !!!


10 posted on 09/13/2011 1:42:50 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sudetenland
Let's see how your debate tactic plays out other hypothetical ways. I can HELP you! Go buy a copy of How to Win Friends & Influence People . Get to know the wisdom of Dale Carnegie.
11 posted on 09/13/2011 1:50:03 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Elendur

“especially when probably many of these Parents, were evangelical Christians, (who’s daughters are NOT sexually active and don’t need this), and who voted for Perry !!!”

Right, so where did Bristol’s baby come from? A stork?


12 posted on 09/13/2011 1:51:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Elendur

I totally agree!


13 posted on 09/13/2011 1:51:37 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper; All

and for all the Perryites, who say he wouldn’t sell out for a measly $5000, your correct:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777798/posts

Perry understates Merck’s campaign donations around HPV vaccine order
The Washington Independant ^ | 09.13.11 | Mary Tuma

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777798/posts?page=11#11

“(N)early $30,000 from the drugmaker
since 2000” given to Perry
and “more than $355,000...
to the Republican Governors Association since 2006
which was the year that Perry began to play a prominent role.”


14 posted on 09/13/2011 1:53:57 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ari-freedom
That’s their choice, not the govt. And it is a parent’s choice to send his kids to a private school.

I send my children to private school.

Are you saying I should have to choose between opting out of the vaccine and opting out of govt school for my children?

I shouldn't have the choice to do both?

15 posted on 09/13/2011 1:58:09 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: winoneforthegipper
This "group" promotes vaccines as the cause of Autism.

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. Medical Journal: Autism Rates Decline as Mercury Removed from Childhood Vaccines

Independent Analysis Refutes Institute of Medicine Claims of “No Relationship,” While Mercury Still Used in Flu & Other Vaccines

16 posted on 09/13/2011 1:58:21 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: winoneforthegipper

Complete lying BS.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 2:00:14 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Elendur; All
Texas vaccination information here:

2010-2011 Texas Vaccine Exemption Information

18 posted on 09/13/2011 2:00:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: winoneforthegipper
To keep saying Perry "hasn't been vetted" shows how stupid you are. You do know that he has been elected three times and that he ran against a Democrat every time, don't you? Those Democrats used every particle of dirt they could find against him and if you think Texas Democrats are somehow weak or even honest, you're even dumber than I thought.

You're just regurgitating Democrat smears. Hope you're proud.

19 posted on 09/13/2011 2:06:38 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: winoneforthegipper
There is no 'opt out' as far as the HPV vaccine is concerned. There is no state law nor mandate requiring the vaccination in place at this time in Texas.

So the 'opt out' doesn't apply in any shape or form to that vaccine.

Current info on HPV Vaccine: State Legislation and Statutes

How does your state stack up against the above list?
20 posted on 09/13/2011 2:15:32 PM PDT by deport
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To: Deb
You do know that he has been elected three times and that he ran against a Democrat every time, don't you? Those Democrats used every particle of dirt they could find against him and if you think Texas Democrats are somehow weak or even honest, you're even dumber than I thought.

And don't forget that Kay Hutchison's campaign taught the Dems a thing or two about dirty campaigning, and Perry went on to trounce her.

21 posted on 09/13/2011 2:23:50 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Very true. And the Texas Tea Party came out in force to support him. Its weird that people who say they’re conservatives are trashing him.


22 posted on 09/13/2011 2:27:35 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

“who say they’re conservatives”

There’s your key. They are merely keyboard ideologues, and they consider anyone who doesn’t meet their ridiculous standards as “Rinos.” They couldn’t get elected dogcatcher anywhere with their rigid ideologies.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 2:34:15 PM PDT by magritte
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To: deport

We all know that Perry lost the implementation battle that is not the point.

The point is he was using the opt out crap as a way to cover his misdeed....anyone can clearly see that the “OPT_OUT” was a farce and would not have significantly provided an option for parents.


24 posted on 09/13/2011 3:04:40 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: magritte; Deb
they consider anyone who doesn’t meet their ridiculous standards as “Rinos.”

"RINO" tops my list of political buzzwords that ought to be retired because they're completely devoid of meaning. RINO on FR basically means "anyone who says they're a Republican but disagrees with me or with my favorite candidate". Not very informative, if you ask me.

25 posted on 09/13/2011 3:06:19 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

RR is churning in his grave.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:47 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ari-freedom
And it is a parent’s choice to send his kids to a private school.

Yes, but there is no option to opt out of the property taxes which pay for those public schools. Those parents would essentially be paying for education twice.

27 posted on 09/13/2011 3:32:55 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: ari-freedom

“And it is a parent’s choice to send his kids to a private school.”

Of which many did not accept the opt outs.

Just why do you believe We the People must “opt out” of a tyrannical law??? Because it is a Republican candidate being held to creating it?


28 posted on 09/13/2011 3:51:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Funny, my daughter was never coerced to get vaccinated when she went into 6th grade.

It was such a non issue that it was forgotten until now.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 6:36:28 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: CodeToad
If he will let me opt out of being affected by any more illegal aliens, close the border, deport all the illegal aliens that already infect the area I inhabit and support with my taxes, repeal obamacare, and reverse every executive order issued by obama, I'll vote for him.
30 posted on 09/14/2011 12:06:54 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: bvw
Go hyperventilate somewhere else. I'm sure Alex Jones agrees with you. People who obsess over inconsequential issues deserve pity and ridicule. The whole Gardasil issue is inconsequential--except that it is a proven effective vaccination which prevents one of the most deadly forms of cancer and unless it is given before exposure to the virus, it is ineffective.

I think that those who are against it are the dangerous people. Imagine if you could virtually eliminate lung cancer or pancreatic cancer simply by giving children an inoculation--that is analogous to what is being discussed here.

Perry was correct, he just went about it in the wrong way and the pity is that people like you can't seem to comprehend what this is all about.
31 posted on 09/14/2011 4:26:14 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

I know what this is about, people who are obsessed over the Gardasil issue have another agenda,you just aren’t intellectually honest enough to post it. That’s okay, your ability to reason has also been exposed.


32 posted on 09/14/2011 4:30:54 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: winoneforthegipper
Perry's attempted mandate on the consumers of health insurance reminds me of the algore tax for promotion of the internet that required, and still does, telephone companies collect the tax.
33 posted on 09/14/2011 4:40:05 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Sudetenland
Public health vaccination policy is far from inconsequential.

Mr. Perry's dictatorial executive order to force it upon 12 year old girls is very consequential and not a sign of a leader we can tolerate.

Mr. Perry's reaction to the Texas Legislature's take-back of his overreaching EO is quite telling. At the time the Texas Legislature revoked his order, Perry acted just like Obama, arrogantly truculent, refusing to accept honest rebuke, using play actors and straw dogs to isolate himself like a MacBeth in his Castle, mocking his opponents with naught effect but folly.

But worst of all is the reaction post-debate of the Perry supporters. Some much of it is the horrid and detestable "STFU" reaction, or arrogantly dismissive statements like "those who are against it are the dangerous people", "[opponents] deserve pity and ridicule", or "[opponents] can't comprehend what this is all about/i>".

Bullying behavior. We've sen it in the Global Warming Scam, we saw it here in Pennsylvania in the GOP whenever Spector ran for Senate. The party bullies insisted, demanded, enforced Spector support in the primaries and said to the Toomey supporters "STFU", "get outta here".

Well after he won reelection Specter defected, and all that internal GOP bullying resulted in the enemies gaining control of the US Senate.

Bullying on behalf on your choice of candidate is a sure poisoning of the community well. It is incredibly destructive.

34 posted on 09/14/2011 6:38:53 AM PDT by bvw
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