Borders? We don't need no stinkin borders.
Posted on 09/13/2011 1:53:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
TAMPA, FL -- The morning after a sometimes-rocky appearance in front of a Tea Party debate audience, Gov. Rick Perry said he was "taken aback" by cheers from some crowd members on a hypothetical question of whether a young man who decides not to buy health insurance should be refused care if he develops a life-threatening illness and be left to die.
"I was a bit taken aback by that myself," Perry told NBC News and the Miami Herald after appearing at a breakfast fundraiser in Tampa.
"We're the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives."
Perry distinguished from that the issue of "justice," reiterating his strong support and "respect" for the death penalty on a state-by-state basis. "But the Republican party ought to be about life and protecting, particularly, innocent life," he added.
Perry also responded to the crowd's negative reaction to his support for allowing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants, saying his campaign has "the right message" on opportunities for children who were brought to the United States illegally "by no fault of their own."
"This issue is about education, it's not about immigration," he said.
"These kids showed up in our state by no fault of their own, some 2-3 years of age. And they've been in our schools, they've done their work, they've prepared themselves good, they want to be contributing members of society. So it would be I think the wrong message to say somehow or another that you can't go to our colleges, or we've going to punish you because of the sound of your last name."
"When people really think about it, I think they'll understand what we did in Texas was the right thing for Texas," he said.
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we REALLY have to control our people - if indeed they WERE “our people”.
ANYTHING like this, even a small number of audience participants will allow the Drive By Media to blast us - and our candidates and cause.
I think more and more folks are getting sick and tired of being FORCED at the point of a government gun
to pay for the irresponsibility of others.
Nope to the first. Nope to the second. Two nopes is a double nope, also known as a dope.
Get it together, Perry. If you’re going to be our best or only chance not to end up with Romney as our candidate, you’re going to have to do MUCH beter than this!
“They’ve prepared themselves good”?
Well this shows where the Perry haters stand on life.
I remember probably 10 years ago having a discussion with a Libertarian here at FR.
I asked him/her if they saw a person lying on the street:
1) Would you step over the person and walk on?
2)Would you call for help?
That person said step over and move on.
That attitude in the audience should make Floridians nervous, if O-Care get instituted. Between the Dummies and Libertarians Life doesn’t stand a chance.
I am sympathetic to his argument, and yet it always bothers me when someone uses that phrase. We don't oppose illegals getting government services because we don't like the sound of their name, or the color of their skin, or their accent -- it's because they broke our laws.
I can sympathize with the children of illegals, because they didn't purposely break the laws. They were brought here without their own choice. And if they have been here for years, they may well be more tied to OUR culture than their nation of origin.
If we could solve ALL the other problems of illegal immigration, I wouldn't mind these few thousand kids being given student visas and green cards so they could go to college and then be productive members of society.
In texas, the total number of immigrants (legal AND illegal) who get in-state tuition appears to be around 11,000 or so. It's not a tidal wave. But so long as we have undefended borders and a government unwilling to send the people who DO choose to break our laws back home where they came from, it's hard to push for special treatment for the small number of children who are caught up in the mess.
Perry. Changing the way we spell “quisling”.
Freedom doesn’t only mean the freedom to make good choices. If someone chooses to be without insurance, they’ve made their choice.
If someone wants to ride a cycle without a helmet, who am I to stand in the way of their stupidity? And if an insurance company refuses to insure the helmetless rider, so be it. Personally I would insure them at a massive premium.
Borders? We don't need no stinkin borders.
RE: That person said step over and move on.
There are Christian Libertarians and Atheistic Libertarians. I would guess this person you talked to is the latter.
goddamitNO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"We" [The GOVERNMENT] should not do anything of the sort
Ron Paul was 100% CORRECT
People were not turned away from hospitals before government control- people took care of them other ways.
Now that government is involved people go to emergency rooms for every minor scratch.
the person in the audience who said "YES" was reacting to THE IDIOCY OF THE QUESTION.
I think the doctors and hospital should treat the patient if they choose, at their own expense, if they wish, or they should bill the person.
The govt. should not be involved in healthcare.
I can accept his viewpoint and in the general election these comments should help defuse the Obama hispanic vote.
But a HUGE however, I am really pissed he said “because some people dont like the sound of their last name”.
That has nothing to do with it and he should know better. Why play the race card on good Americans who hate illegal immigration?
I agree with Perry here. The question was BS, but I was a little surprised by the audience cheering for this answer. It is a serious matter and though Paul made sense on it and followed up with charities to help the needy and lowering medical costs, the cheering crowd on it looked bad and made we wonder if it was a cadre of Paulites getting excited. Poor taste overall.
True, but that kind of reaction is NOT helping the Repub chances of winning in 2012.
The Dummies are already working on a tv ad.
Because it works to end discussion on an issue you know you can't defend.
The question was stupid, and designed to illicit a negative response that could be used against us.
It was an either/or false choice, and even Ron Paul knew better. We didn’t need government paying for health care to make people take care of sick people without insurance. We did it through charity.
Government became our charity in part because we WERE charitable, and moreso because politicians SAW that WE were charitable, and wanted to take CREDIT for that charity by giving our money away FOR us.
But seriously — this is the heart of the problem with our health care debate. Who among us would say that a person should be left to die on the sidewalk in front of a hospital, because they hadn’t bought insurance and didn’t have money to pay?
Sure, that’s the “Atlas Shrugged” answer, right? Take care of yourself, and if you don’t suffer the consequences? I believe that — until people are dying or I can help them. If somebody stupidly walks on the edge of a bridge, and falls over, I will jump in to save them, not let them drown because it was their own fault.
And I don’t want to leave people starving in the street, or dying on the sidewalk. But that means I can be taken advantage of, because people know we are charitable, and can take advantage of our charity.
I had a proposal once I thought had merit. We DON’T do Obamacare, or have government mandate health insurance. AND we treat everybody, no matter whether they have insurance or not.
But if someone gets treatment and can’t pay for it, then they are OURs. Not a slave, but they now OWE all the money we gave them. We can force them to buy health insurance at that point, because they OWE us for treating them. We can garnish their wages. Maybe we’d have a service program they could participate in. We make them pay for being stupid enough to not provide for their own security.
I’m not sure that would be incentive enough for people to do the right thing. Really, people who take advantage need to get “less-then-gold-plated” care. I don’t want to say substandard, but there has to be a difference in the service people who provide for themselves get vs people who make us pay for them.
Here’s a plan nobody here will support. We actually implement a national health insurance, paid for by taxes. But this is just a catastrophic plan, which provides limited services. No extraordinary life-saving care. No end-of-life amenities like hip replacements. It might even have death panels. Sorry, we have to ration to keep the prices low. Nobody WANTS to use this plan, but if you don’t provide for yourself, it will treat your heart attack, get you back on your feet and on your way.
The problem is we don’t have it in ourselves to be uncompassionate. I don’t think government is the solution for that, but I don’t know how to get us back to where we were compassionate on our own, and I fear the american people won’t stand for going back. They may hate Obamacare, but I believe they are quite happy with government providing a health care safety net.
But Perry's use of the catchphrase "because of the sound of your last name" is itself extreme prejudiced and a form of vile namecalling against any who disagree with his position on the issue, because it tars all who disagree with the inferred epithet of anti-Hispanic racism.
And Mr. Perry amped up his utter disrespect for all who do not share his opinion by that "take that!" toothy assertive and aggressive grin he would end it with.
It ties in with his utter disregard for fellow Texan adults who are the parents of kids upon whom he forced the wart vaccine gardasil.
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