Skip to comments.Michele Bachmann Jumps the Shark by Suggesting HPV Vaccine Can Cause "Mental Retardation"
Posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:23 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
RUSH: Perry goofed up by using an executive order on the Gardasil -- there's no question he goofed up on it -- instead of taking it to the Texas legislature. He's admitted that over and over again. I think one of the reasons that Perry gets tired is that he had all the questions. He had to answer every question three or four times last night, and he did it smiling. I tell you, I would have probably (by the third or fourth time they came at me on this) have said, "What more do you need to hear on this? What more do you want to know? There was an opt-out! If anybody didn't want to take it, they didn't have to." There was an opt out. So the next time, I'm gonna have to issue another warning: "Not only don't go bother with this Social Security Ponzi scheme stuff, but forget this vaccine business." This is ending up being a giant distraction. Now, I said that Bachmann may have jumped the shark. It's just a gut feeling. Last night on Fox she was on with the Greta after the debate and she continued to talk about this.
BACHMANN: It's the Merck drug company, and the governor's former chief of staff is the chief lobbyist for this big drug company; and mandated, again, that every girl would have to have this particular drug. And the problem is it comes with some very significant consequences. There's a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine. There are very dangerous consequences. It's not good enough to take, quote, "a Mulligan" or you want a do-over. Not when you have little children's lives at risk.
RUSH: All right, now, she had scored the points in the debate, but now this comment has become a news item for Bachmann today rather than what she said at the debate last night. That's what I mean by jumping the shark. She scored the points and should have left it there.
RUSH: We've got Vinny. Vinny in Queens. Vinny, are you no New York 9? Do you vote in that district?
CALLER: No. No, I live in Long Island.
CALLER: I wish I could vote in New York 9, but that's been gonna be some race to watch.
RUSH: That really is. I've got so much to say about that race, but I gotta wait 'til it's over.
CALLER: Well, let me say what I have to say, and that's this. You know, I like, Michelle Bachmann but, quite frankly, she sounded shrill last night. This is before what you just said about her talking to someone claiming that this drug causes mental illness. She sounded a lot like a Democrat by pushing the words "innocent" and "children" over and over and over again. Part of the problem we have in politics is people afraid to say, "Hey, I was wrong," okay? Rick Perry as much as said that to a degree. The guy basically came out and said, "Yeah, I would have done it differently. I'm sorry I did it that way," but she went after him over and over again. And I thought it was kind of unnecessary, and I thought it cheapened her status, quite frankly, as a contender. And I do like her, but I think -- and, by the way --
RUSH: Vinny, put yourself in her shoes. Here she comes out of the Iowa straw poll in Ames, she's the winner. Perry is not in the race yet. Perry announces -- and by the way, I, El Rushbo, predicted this. I said, If he announces, it's gonna shake everything pick up," and it did. He announces, and all of a sudden, even before his first debate appearance, he's in the top tier, and he's taken her place. She's got one chance here, in her mind, I'm sure, to recapture the energy that she had going into the straw poll and winning it in Iowa, and that's what last night was all about. You just think she did it the wrong way?
CALLER: I really think so. You know, I'm an adherent to Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandment, thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.
RUSH: That's impossible in a primary!
CALLER: No, no. Let me finish. I know you're right. It is impossible, and they should go after each other, but we shouldn't sound like Chuck Schumer going after each other. We should make our point and we should go on to the next issue. Now, like you said Perry has a big problem with immigration. All these candidates have their problems. Okay? And, by the way, why does he look fatigued at the beginning of the second-hour? Because if you were Rick Perry and you realized every question from the moderator and every candidate is gunning for you you'd like fatigued, too. Because he knows what's coming. He knows if the guy tied his shoelace the wrong way they're gonna make an issue out of it, and I understand that part of the process, but to me that's why he kind of peters out the second hour because the guy spends all his time saying the same thing over and over and defending himself.
RUSH: Yeah. I know.
CALLER: Well, that's the way I feel about it, and let me premise again: I like Bachmann. I do. I just thought she went a little overboard last night with that whole child vaccination thing I really do.
RUSH: Vinny, I appreciate the call as always.
RUSH: Seattle, Washington, as we go back to the phones. This is Ania. Great to have you. Welcome to the EIB Network.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Greetings from the beautiful state of Washington. By the way, from your intro, I just got back from Alaska and I just wanted to let you know the glaciers are fine, they're there, everything's good on that.
RUSH: Yeah, in fact they're getting bigger, yeah.
CALLER: Yeah, they're massive, they're huge, they're not going anywhere. But just about Bachmann's big pounce that she did on Perry yesterday and trying to get him on the HPV vaccine. I'm a mom, and there is an opt-out on this whole thing. Usually I really like Bachmann, I think she's very genuine, I just didn't see the real zinger in that one. It's just much ado about nothing. I think he was honest, Perry came out as being sincere, and if that was her big thing, I just didn't see it. I just wanted to share that there's an opt-out.
RUSH: I hear what you're saying. Okay, he admits that he made a mistake in the way it was implemented. He admits he made the mistake, and then the pile-on continues, and people did see that as a little bit gratuitous. That's what you're saying. I understand, especially since there was an opt-out. Again remember, now, from Bachmann's perspective, she's the Iowa straw poll winner. Perry announces, he totally takes over. This is a campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. She's got to get back in that upper tier. She's got to go after the number one guy. That's what she's doing.
RUSHL Let's go to central Texas here. Janice, you're next. I'm glad you waited. Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program. Hi.
CALLER: Hello. Oh, my gosh, Rush Limbaugh, it's unbelievable I'm speaking to you. Have a great day. I have two points on Perry and Bachmann on the immunizations. Simply by mandating the immunizations, he put it on the schedule, the immunization schedule that's required for kids to even come to school for years. For instance, recently chicken pox, recently meningitis, recently hepatitis B, so Gardasil ought to be there. Now, if you've got a problem with getting your kids immunizations, there's always a flat risk, flat. But the benefits far outweigh that. Number two, with Gardasil and hepatitis B, they are both sexually commutated. And if you are a parent of a girl or a boy now, because both sexes can get this immunization now, you should definitely get it for your kids, because genital warts is so prevalent that the CDC doesn't count the numbers anymore, statistically speaking.
RUSH: Okay. So let me see if I understand where you are on this. You think that the Gardasil was a good thing, and you think that the mandatory vaccine of little girls in Texas that Perry required was a good thing?
CALLER: Should be little boys as well now 'cause now boys and girls can get it.
CALLER: Back then when he first did it just girls could get it.
RUSH: But you also think it was a good thing because there was an opt-out?
CALLER: Absolutely. And if you didn't want it, then you take responsibility for what happens, don't ask me to pay for your opt-out if something goes wrong.
RUSH: Yeah, I've been there.
CALLER: And my other point is the Ponzi thing. If only people that added into Social Security were taken out it wouldn't be much of a problem. Unfortunately we have a lot of hands in that bucket that never put a dime in.
RUSH: Oh, yeah, I been there, too. Yeah, okay, well, this affords an opportunity. Here's a woman in Texas who has no problem with what Perry did on the Gardasil and the HVC vaccine, no problem whatsoever, thinks about everybody ought to get it. Now, I must admit, I bring no shortcomings to this program. However, there are things that I have to work extra special hard on to get up to speed with you on, and one of them is things involving kids, 'cause I don't have any. So my natural inclination when this stuff about the vaccine hits, it has no personal impact on me so I have to work hard to, quote, unquote, care about it. I don't have little girls, therefore I don't have the fear that mine are gonna get cervical cancer. Therefore when this thing hit, the natural inclination was, that's somebody else's problem.
Of course I can't afford to look at it that way. So I'm just wondering as I sit here how many of you mothers out there raced out and got this vaccine? When you heard what was being touted about the vaccine that it would go a long way toward vaccinating your kid, your daughter against cervical cancer, did you wait or how many of you, you know, a lot of people, government mandates a vaccine, when the Clintons came along and tried to do it, it depends on who's doing the mandating as to people's reaction. Now, here we have Janice in central Texas, just fine, she has no problem with it whatsoever. (interruption) What is that? Well, it only works before they've had sex. Right. Well, you have to get the vaccine -- yeah, preferably -- well, if it only works before the kids have sex, then you got to vaccinate them before they're seven or eight, I would think. Isn't that about right? I don't have kids. Isn't that about right?
So if you don't do it before they're seven or eight, is it automatic it doesn't work, or its chances of working are much reduced? (interruption) Oh, really? Oh, oh, your daughter, she had to sign something that said she hadn't had sex? So if you've had sex and you admit you've had sex as a kid they won't give you the vaccine? Okay. Okay. So it must be that it's no impact whatsoever if you've had sexual activity, zip, zero, nada. Well, let's go to the debate. Here's how this happened. It was in Tampa last night, and Wolf Blitzer said, "Governor Perry, as you well know you signed an executive order requiring little girls 11 and 12 to get a vaccine to deal with a sexually transmitted disease that could lead to cervical cancer? Was that a mistake?"
PERRY: It was, indeed. If I had it to do over again, I woulda done it differently. I woulda gone to the legislature, worked with them. But what was driving me was obviously making a difference about young people's lives. I will tell you that I made a mistake by not going to the legislature first.
RUSH: Now, he also said he hates cancer. I mean I'm quoting him there, he hates cancer. At any rate, here is Bachmann after Blitzer said, "Congresswoman Bachmann, do you have anything to say about what Governor Perry just said?"
BACHMANN: I'm a mom, and I'm a mom of three children, and to have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat-out wrong. That should never be done. That's a violation of the liberty interests. That's little girls who have a negative reaction to this potentially dangerous drug don't get a mulligan, they don't get a do-over. The parents don't get a do-over.
RUSH: She wasn't finished.
BACHMANN: We cannot forget that in the midst of this executive order, there was a big drug company that made millions of dollars because of this mandate. It's wrong for a drug company because the governor's former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company. The drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor, and this is just flat-out wrong. The question is, is it about life or was it about millions of dollars and potentially billions for a drug company -- RUSH: All right, so there was the charge, crony capitalism, that Perry had no real interest here in saving lives, he wasn't interested in that, it was simply the fact that his former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for Merck, and that there was a payoff, and that that's why he insisted on the vaccine be given because it had to be bought, and that meant profits. So Perry said that he ended up being offended by this.
PERRY: Yes, sir. The company was Merck, and it was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raise about $30 million, and if you're saying that I can be bought for $5,000, I'm offended.
BACHMANN: I'm offended for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice. That's what I'm offended for.
RUSH: Now, what I didn't understand throughout this whole thing was there was an opt-out, there was a choice, there was an opt-out. I don't know how widely advertised the opt-out was, but there clearly was an opt-out there. Now, I'm also being told that we might not be correct here in saying that this vaccine is no good if given to you after you have sex. There's a school of thought that says the Gardasil only works if you get the vaccine before you get the HPV infection. It's not so much that you've had sex; it's that it only works before you've had the infection. If you get the infection first, the vaccine doesn't work.
I am not a doctor, I don't play one on television, and I don't want to be stamping official medical news that we're putting out here that may not be a hundred percent accurate here. In other words, you have to be vaccinated before you get the infection. All vaccines work that way, that's what a vaccine is. The smallpox vaccine will not prevent you from getting smallpox or chicken pox, mumps, whatever they shoot you up for. In my day, the polio vaccine was a sugar cube that they gave you and had something in it, kids loved the sugar cubes. But if you had polio it wouldn't do any good. All vaccines actually work that way.
RUSH: Now, on this crony capitalism business. I mentioned this at the top of the program. Sarah Palin jumped on this with Greta last night, the Perry and the Merck thing. She jumped all over, in defense of Bachmann. There's no evidence that what Bachmann charged Perry with doing happened, and Perry said he can't be bought for five grand. A cynic could listen to what Perry said, "Well, what is the price?" (laughing) I'm not saying that. Some could. Crony capitalism is when the government is using tax dollars to subsidize a particular industry or company. What Bachmann is accusing Perry of is a quid pro quo. That's making a decision based on a donation. That's not crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is what Obama's doing with GE and Solyndra and that kind of stuff.
RUSH: Palin getting involved in this is a little unsettling only because there's no evidence that Perry did any of this, and it really isn't crony capitalism anyway. Now, if you're making official policy in exchange for a donation, we're talking about something criminal, and that you'd better be able to back up if you're going to charge that. That's why, frankly, people cringed when she said it, because that takes it to a different level. That's not simply a policy disagreement; that's an accusation of criminal activity that she made, Bachmann against Perry. That's why this little nervousness that you could see and sense settle through the hall there, changed the whole dynamic.
I thought she jumped the shark by pounding on this so much last night. My opinion really dropped. With opt out, parents did have a choice so by saying over and over that they didn’t, wasn’t truthful.
I thought the illegals issue was the most damaging issue.
Perry kept saying that he didn’t want the young illegals on the government dole, so he had them in school learning to be productive. What he should have added was that the Federal government requires putting them on the dole if they are not productive, and the Federal government won’t let him Deport them.
The Fed needs to be blamed 100% for the illegal issue.
Obviously Rush has Palin Derangement Syndrome.
It makes her look emotional and unscientific -- two traits she's displayed before. Some (many?) conservatives may not like how Perry ordered the shots, but vaccinations for school are completely uncontroversial save for a fringe few.
I don't think this will work out for her at all.
Merck tried to push untested Gardasil on Gov. Palin.
She refused and did not sell the children of Alaska
as lab rats, like the RINO Perry.
Bachmann and Palin going over the top. Sad and pathetic.
Perry : Rams Gardasil down taxpayer throats in the name of crony capitalism —> goof
Bachman : Possible overstep in debate —> jumped the shark
She might as well hang it up. She'll never ascend to the oval office.
I thought that the Happy Birthday Elvis gaffe did it.
Rush is so wrong on Palin, his accuracy rating just took a huge hit.
Palin is being Palin, get used to it...
Here’s hoping Sarah gives Rush a wakeup call tomorrow!
She was referring to French Polio which does not give you a mulligan.
I also thought Huntsmen was desperate when he threw out the not securing the border is treason.
What a jack wagon. Yeah, we all want the border locked down, but it came across so contrived that it made him look sillier than usual.
I hope you feel as good when Mitt is our nominee and Barack is inaugurated again for his second term in January 2013.
This is all playing out just like the GOP establishment planned it. I imagine even they can't help but be surprised by the help they have gotten from those on the right though.
She has gone from a Tea Party institution to belonging in an institution.
With Perry floundering at the debates, Rush is ahead of the curve trying to prepare people for a possible Romney win. I was ready to support Perry, but in two debates, he's lost me.
“I thought she jumped the shark by pounding on this so much last night. My opinion really dropped. With opt out, parents did have a choice so by saying over and over that they didnt, wasnt truthful.”
My reaction exactly. “Jump the shark” was how I felt when she did the over-the-top innocent girl comment. Of course, Huntsman topped with his “treason” comment.
So ... I guess we are not alone in this POV.
Huck, I thought he did really good last night. The first debate had me worried. I think he is getting better and more comfortable at it.
I wish we had seen more of the after debate question and answer he was doing with a large crowd. That seemed really cool and genuine.
If he meant she overreached for dramatic effect, OK.
But by no stretch of the imagination will it effect her campaign in any substantive way.
I agree with you. I’m disappointed in Bachmann who keeps bringing up what isn’t quite the whole story. I really disappointed in Perry on the illegals issue; first the border fence-now instate tuition.
That being said, Reagan always said that if you never speak bad about another Republican. The should focus on where they stand on the issues and what they would do.
Except it is not just a possible win. Now that Perry has been considerably damaged, it is a highly probable Romney win.
Would you rather have Perry vetted before the general election or during?
Sit back and watch and learn...If Perry is qualified he will make the show, if not, then we saved ourselves complete annihilation in nov/12
She wouldn’t dare. Rush would crush Palin and she knows it if she decided to take him and his listeners on. She doesn’t have a 10th of the conservative credibility and authority he has built up over decades.
Bachmann may well have jumped the shark.
But Michelle malking did her homework and came up with this:
"When both the House and Senate repealed the (vaccination) law six weeks later, Perry did not as he now claims listen humbly or agree with their decision.
Human shield demagoguery. In response to the legislatures rebuke, the infuriated governor attacked those who supported repeal as shameful spreaders of misinformation who were putting womens lives at risk. Borrowing a tried-and-true Alinskyite page from the progressive left, Perry surrounded himself with female cervical cancer victims and deflected criticism of his imperial tactics with emotional anecdotes.
He then lionized himself and the minority of politicians who voted against repeal of his Gardasil order. They will never have to think twice about whether they did the right thing. No lost lives will occupy the confines of their conscience, sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. Perry, of course, has now put his own ghastly Gardasil order on that same altar but with no apology to all those he demonized and exploited along the way."
Rush has had His jumps over the years, We all have. Bachmann can get by this.
Long way to go, and Rush is not the appointed one to decide who gets the nod
“I also thought Huntsmen was desperate when he threw out the not securing the border is treason.”
yeah it’s like he wanted to be Alan Keyes when he is really a mushy RINO.
Its kinda funny that these people are making these declarations that Palin and Bachmann have been irreparably harmed by their stance but there’s no evidence of it.
As far as St Rick is concerned, people have been feeding us this BS about him being the tea party favorite for a while now but last night he just got a tiny taste of the crapstorm coming his way.
Today I read that Huntsman was ribbing Perry for his statements of treason aimed at Fed chair, Ben Bernake.
Either way, Huntsman came across sappy.
I agree. She lost any possibility of my vote last night.
“Rush has had His jumps over the years, We all have. Bachmann can get by this.”
No she won’t. Even without this, she is still just a congressman with no serious accomplishments.
Uh-huh...if Romney is the nominee we all lose. And while I do believe it ultimately falls on him to survive the all out lies and distortions being flung at him as well as his few inexcusable breaks in orthdoxy on immigration...I will hold you and Palin, and Bachmann and Michelle and every one like you responsible if our nominee is Romney, if Obama wins or if perry is made toxic in a general election. And don’t you dare coming running back here if that happens and say you did it all for the sake of conservatism. because romney and Obama spit on conservatives.
“Perry : Rams Gardasil down taxpayer throats in the name of crony capitalism > goof”
Yeah, Rush is definitely “downplaying” Perry’s overt departure from conservatism.
A little disappointing.
The next thing you know they’ll be reduced to posting unflattering Newsweek cover art to make their point.
Governor Palin’s administration proudly gave Gardasil to Medicaid recipients in Alaska. They were “THRILLED”. Our tax dollars at work:
” Health officials to make HPV and meningococcal vaccines available to more Alaska children
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( Juneau, Alaska) The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services announced today that an increase in federal funding will make it possible for all Alaska girls ages 9 through 18 to receive Gardasil, the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, at no cost.
Earlier this spring, the department had said it could provide free Gardasil only to Alaska girls who met certain eligibility requirements. Since then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided additional funds for Alaska to obtain more vaccine. This boost in federal aid will enable more Alaska girls to receive Gardasil. Distribution of this vaccine to providers is just beginning, so state health officials suggest calling providers before visiting local clinics to find out if the vaccine is available.
We are thrilled that this unanticipated funding will allow us to provide the vaccine for all eligible girls, said Laurel Wood, Alaskas immunization program manager. Although we have no guarantee that this funding will be available in future years, we hope to immunize as many Alaska girls as possible while we have this unique opportunity.
The federal government approved Gardasil last summer to prevent certain types of human papillomavirus (HPV) known to cause cervical cancer. Gardasil is the most expensive vaccine recommended today, with a retail cost of at least $360 for three shots given over six months.
The CDC recommends the vaccine for girls and women 9 through 26 years old, but the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services only has funding to cover the vaccine for those ages 9 through 18. Women ages 19 through 26 may be able to receive some coverage through Medicaid, their health insurance companies or a special financial aid program set up by Merck & Co. Inc., the vaccines manufacturer.
The additional federal money for Alaska also means the department can expand availability of Menactra ®, the vaccine that protects against bacterial meningitis. Although the department previously provided Menactra only for limited age groups, it now will make the vaccine available at no cost for boys and girls ages 11 through 18.”
Honestly, I am probably going to vote for Herman when it comes time. I can’t say 100%, yet, but this is my leaning.
That’s a terrible picture of Michele Bachmann...I hate these lefty media types...this isn’t the first time they’ve skewed the picture to make them look crazy. They did this to Sarah one time which really made me angry. IF it is one of their goons then they do the opposite...skew a picture to make them look kind, smart, classy...when in fact they look like the skewed picture of Michele Bachmann.
On this issue Rush is on the doorstep of stupid. Not talking about the Bachmann reach but What Sarah said last night.
We have to go into the General Election with Obama on defense, if he's not then we are in trouble. The candidate we choose must be true to the values that Obama does not have. Perry as we are learning is now with issue that will severely hamper his ability to define the differences.
That is the way it is. It is obvious that Perry compromised all values on not just this merck issue but on others. The economy woes alone will not make Obama a lame duck. Keep that in mind.
Palin is right and she is truly just saying what she said all along...no more.
That is what we need, whether she's in or not.
People on this board and Rush need to come to that understanding.
I see you are on board with the lib media in posting their crap.
Not a defense of Bachmann, she jumped the shark.
But posting the Newsweek cover, why don’t you go ahead and post ALL the liberal propaganda while you’re at it?
Bachmann: (Jumps shark)
Huntsman: Please, please, I wanna do it too, me next!
(remember wolf blitzer on jeopardy? he was no Einstein)
I can see why Sarah Palin is just sitting back taking it all in. One day she will jump up and so “Ok I’ve had enough of this- who wants to win an election”.
And the crowds will roar~!
Did you just choose to ignore the fact that nothing was rammed down any throats?
Do you know what she sounded like? A money-crazy ambulance-chasing lawyer!
Any minute I expected her to serve Perry with papers for malpractice. The "poor innocent 'ittle girl"--the "some kook stopped me in the lobby to tell me that vaccines cause her to be retarded." Or something.
Sounded like the closing argument that John Edwards would make to try to bilk an insurance company out of millions.
Reminded me of why I don't like lawyers holding office...
I see the Beltway/Country Club republicans are circling their Mercedes around Perry after she decked him last night.
Rush is a party lackey and thew GOP establishment and mainstream media have already picked our candidate for us just like they did the last time. By the time the DNC machine is done with “our” candidate Perry chosen for us by the ruling class they will make him look like Hitler. All this orchestrated to make us believe we live in a democratic republic where “our” vote counts.
And you’re just now figuring that out? She NEVER stood a chance.
Perry said he made a mistake, what else do they want? I tought Bachmann was over the top last night.