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Bachmann Stayed Quiet on Mandatory Vaccinations While Serving Minnesota
RedState ^ | 9/13/2011 | Ben Howe

Posted on 09/14/2011 6:49:22 AM PDT by BfloGuy

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I have to admit that I've never thought school vaccinations were an issue. But it is interesting that Bachmann is making it her signature issue now. Of course, maybe her research has proved that the HPV vaccine doesn't cause mental retardation.
1 posted on 09/14/2011 6:49:24 AM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: BfloGuy

‘Of course, maybe her research has proved that the HPV vaccine doesn’t cause mental retardation. “

The common cause of death from this vaccine seems to be blood clots according to the reports I’ve read.

Blood clots reaching the brain could easily cause brain damage. Blood clots to the heart could cause it to stop, leading to brain damage. Blood clots in the lungs can cause breathing problems, leading to brain damage.

Perhaps you know something different?


2 posted on 09/14/2011 6:53:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BfloGuy
I don't recall Bachmann saying all mandatory vaccines are a bad thing. Her issue seemed to be with vaccines for things like HPV which are spread through deliberate behavioral choices. In such cases, she seems to believe the state should stay out of it and let the parents decide.

I happen to agree with her.

3 posted on 09/14/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: BfloGuy
I really don't think Bachmann's position against state mandated vaccinations (with an opt out option) is deserving of all this outrage.

Especially not here.

4 posted on 09/14/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Weren't polio vaccinations mandatory back in the 50s ?
5 posted on 09/14/2011 6:56:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: MEGoody
Her issue seemed to be with vaccines for things like HPV which are spread through deliberate behavioral choices.

But that's what the article is about. She has never spoken out against the mandatory HPV vaccine in her own state.

6 posted on 09/14/2011 6:58:32 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: skeeter
I really don't think Bachmann's position against state mandated vaccinations (with an opt out option) is deserving of all this outrage.

Outrage? You call pointing out inconsistencies in her record "outrage"? That's a pretty low bar.

7 posted on 09/14/2011 6:59:50 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yeah, but polio is something you could’ve picked up from the snotty nosed kid sitting next to you in class. An area of ligitimate concern for schools.


8 posted on 09/14/2011 7:01:42 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: driftdiver
The common cause of death from this vaccine seems to be blood clots according to the reports I’ve read.

You should share those reports with us and the CDC since they don't seem to have that information.

Reports of Health Concerns Following HPV Vaccination
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html

Deaths
As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.

9 posted on 09/14/2011 7:02:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: driftdiver

Since Bachmann refuses to release the NAME of the woman that said her child suffered mental retardation after a HPV shot. bachmann is lying.


10 posted on 09/14/2011 7:02:49 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: MEGoody

“Her issue seemed to be with vaccines for things like HPV which are spread through deliberate behavioral choices.”

Just like most cases of Hep-B, which the article mentions.


11 posted on 09/14/2011 7:02:53 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: BfloGuy
You call this an ‘inconsistency’? Thats a pretty high bar - one I'm certain your favorite candidate cannot clear, either.
12 posted on 09/14/2011 7:03:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

How about Hepatitis B? That is a required vaccine today as well.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; skeeter

polio is a communicable disease which you can easily catch from someone in common contact.

HPV generally requires having sex with an infected person. Roughly 50% of the US population has HPV.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 7:03:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: All

Bachmann is irrelevant as a candidate and stuff like this is just to spin people away from evaluating Perry relative to his actions. I do hope people will give careful consideration to what Perry has done and his explanation for his actions. Spinning or deflecting issues won’t get us to the point of finding out which candidate will be best for our country. Ignoring anything in a candidates portfolio is also dumb because you know Obama and company are not going to ignore anything.


15 posted on 09/14/2011 7:04:17 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: thackney

You mean the same CDC that hasn’t noticed any problems with abortions or that homosexual activity leads to a great risk of AIDS?

The same CDC which pushes gun control because of its impact on the CHILLDRUN.

There have been numerous articles and studies on the deaths.


16 posted on 09/14/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MEGoody
I don't recall Bachmann saying all mandatory vaccines are a bad thing. Her issue seemed to be with vaccines for things like HPV which are spread through deliberate behavioral choices. In such cases, she seems to believe the state should stay out of it and let the parents decide.

Okay, fair enough. But if that is the case, then why didn't she try to do something about the Hep-B vaccine? That is mandated and is given to infants and toddlers, and it is for a disease that is primarily spread by sex and IV drug use (deliberate behavioral choices). So why didn't she try to overturn THAT mandate when she was in the Minnesota Legislature?

It makes her attack on Perry over the Gardasil issue look less like a principled conservative stand, and more like a crass attack on a front-runner for political advantage.

17 posted on 09/14/2011 7:08:11 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: driftdiver
The common cause of death from this vaccine seems to be blood clots according to the reports I’ve read.

FDA:

Thromboembolic disorders (blood clots) have been reported to VAERS in people who have received Gardasil. Most of these individuals had risk factors for blood clots such as use of oral contraceptives which are known to increase the risk of clotting. The JAMA article describes 56 cases, 31 of which were confirmed blood clot reports. Twenty eight reports (90%) had underlying known risk factors such as hormonal birth control, genetic clotting abnormalities, obesity, smoking, and immobility. In the CDC’s VSD, blood clots have not been found to occur more often than expected after over 450,000 doses of Gardasil.

I would hardly call it a common cause of death. Now, I am not lobbying for the increased use of Gardasil. It matter not to me at all -- but I don't like seeing chain email type hysteria raised to the presidential level.

Research and testing have been conducted on Gardasil just as on all other drugs approved for public use. Bachmann's pronouncement of its causing mental retardation is just nutty.

18 posted on 09/14/2011 7:08:32 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: BfloGuy

Unfortunately the shrill Bachmann put the last nail in her coffin. She’s out.


19 posted on 09/14/2011 7:09:36 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: driftdiver

Why don’t you share one of those with us?


20 posted on 09/14/2011 7:09:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skeeter
I really don't think Bachmann's position against state mandated vaccinations (with an opt out option) is deserving of all this outrage.

The point of the article is that she does not seem to be against ALL state mandated vaccines, nor even against ALL state mandated vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases. Her outrage seems to be limited to Gardasil, and that appears to be because she thinks she can gain a political advantage from it.

21 posted on 09/14/2011 7:10:55 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: thackney
I have a problem with state mandated vaccinations that are not meant to protect children in the class room, or are not in response to a major eminent public health risk.

Its a legitmate issue for small government conservatives.

22 posted on 09/14/2011 7:11:37 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: BfloGuy

This is stupid.

Perry admitted he was wrong. Why keep it up?

Perry was wrong to use an executive order to force a vaccine that was only for an STD.

End of story.

I find it pretty disingenuous and repulsive that he admits his error in order to get elected. Had he admitted the error a year ago, I might think he meant it.


23 posted on 09/14/2011 7:11:46 AM PDT by dforest
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To: BfloGuy

I appreciated Bachmann getting a rise out of Chris Matthews with the comment about “the more pro-American parts of the country”.

But I’m afraid this is the end or near the end of Michele’s candidacy. It’s not really a HUGE deal, but she chose to make it.

As to vaccines and behavioral choices — Hep B (mandated) is also a more behavior related disease (sexual or drug use). Sure, there can be accidental needle stick injuries (rare), but also there can be non-behavioral contact with HPV — i.e. rape. Once you’ve got it, there is no getting rid of it (currently).

There can be legitimate concern with whether a vaccine or medicine has been well-researched. We have to always go with reasonable efforts at safety. Other vaccines have been mandated with less outcome studies. It is very difficult to prove causation unless you have controlled other factors and measured against placebo. It would take thousands of fake placebo injections to really know, due to the rarity of serious side effects.


24 posted on 09/14/2011 7:11:52 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: MEGoody

The idea here is to change the subject from Perry’s rotten EO, and make Bachmann the bad guy.

They don’t let the facts get in their way.


25 posted on 09/14/2011 7:13:51 AM PDT by dforest
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To: MEGoody

She didn’t make any such distinction in the debate. The issue was parental rights, and the suite of mandatory school vaccinations is as much a violation of those rights as Gardasil.

This whole line of attack is dishonest opportunism, and I have been generally preferred Bachmann over the others.


26 posted on 09/14/2011 7:14:50 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: driftdiver
CDC that hasn’t noticed any problems with abortions or that homosexual activity leads to a great risk of AIDS

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

Abortion Mortality
Using national PMSS data (36), CDC identified nine deaths for 2006 that were potentially related to abortion. These deaths were identified either by some indication of abortion on the death certificate or by reports from a health-care provider or public health agency.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6001a1.htm?s_cid=ss6001a1_w

Is your other claim as false as this one?

27 posted on 09/14/2011 7:16:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: BfloGuy

Medicines have side effects. The FDA requires them to be communicated in any advertising, so evidently they think its important.

Shocking that you think a deadly side effect is worth dismissing just because you don’t like the candidate.

So like Perry you can be bought.


28 posted on 09/14/2011 7:16:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MEGoody

Did you read the article? It’s about Bachmann and Hepatitis B, which is spread through the same pathway/behavior as HPV...


29 posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:03 AM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: MEGoody

Did you read the article? It’s about Bachmann and Hepatitis B, which is spread through the same pathway/behavior as HPV...


30 posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:16 AM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: skeeter
I have a problem with state mandated vaccinations that are not meant to protect children in the class room, or are not in response to a major eminent public health risk.

So then you have a problem with Perry, Romney, Bachmnann, and Palin, right? - because all of them have served in state governments that mandated at least the Hep-B vaccine, and did nothing to repeal it.

31 posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:19 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: skeeter

I oppose government mandating vaccinations, but I don’t think she is going to say that she opposes opt-out MMR, hepatitis, etc. forced on children through the government schools. In fact, I don’t think she does. We’ll see.


32 posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:43 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: thackney
-- How about Hepatitis B? --

Good question. I don't have the relevant facts, but a comparison between Hep-B and HPV of infection rate, morbidity and mortality might provide justification for differentiating public policy between the two.

I believe all states mandate Hep-B vaccination, and only Virginia and Washington DC mandate vaccination against HPV. There must be some justification for the disparity in public policy treatment.

33 posted on 09/14/2011 7:18:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: skeeter
or are not in response to a major eminent public health risk

In what way does cervical cancer not meet this requirement? Gardasil stops the the viruses that causes 75% of all cervical cancer.

34 posted on 09/14/2011 7:19:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: skeeter
You call this an ‘inconsistency’? Thats a pretty high bar - one I'm certain your favorite candidate cannot clear, either.

It's an "inconsistency" no matter how you look at it. She didn't oppose mandatory vaccines for sexually-transmitted diseases in her own state and then she did in someone else's. It's not a "high" bar -- she's made this her primary issue at the moment.

It warrants scrutiny. After all, she is trying to point out inconsistencies in Perry's record. He says he's conservative, but she claims that this vaccine issue shows he isn't. If what you say is true [can't highlight inconsistencies in a candidate's record], then I guess she shouldn't have brought it up at all.

You are correct that each candidate has some. I have been leaning towards Perry, but his inconsistencies and failure to adequately explain his illegal immigration stances are extremely disappointing. Unlesss someone else gets in, I may have to live with them, though.

I won't criticize someone else for bringing them up.

35 posted on 09/14/2011 7:19:52 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: BfloGuy

We have an opt out of all vaccines in MN. And I did opt my kids out.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 7:19:52 AM PDT by Brimack34
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To: indylindy
Perry admitted he was wrong. Why keep it up?

Exactly.

Was he just pandering?

37 posted on 09/14/2011 7:20:34 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: indylindy

He has admitted it before, but you’d have to live in Texas and pay attention to know. This hasn’t been an issue in Tx for several years.

It is stupid to keep harping on this.


38 posted on 09/14/2011 7:20:48 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: CA Conservative
I look at politicians in terms of the lesser of evils anyway, as I think all of us should.

BTW the continual harping by pundits on Bachmanns gardasil comments are every bit as politically motivated as her comments seems to have been. So what?

39 posted on 09/14/2011 7:21:25 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: indylindy

I understand the attacks on the Executive Order, as long as they are honest and include all aspects of the Order and not selective editing.

But too many (in my opinion) have tried to make this about the vaccine itself.


40 posted on 09/14/2011 7:21:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Brimack34
We have an opt out of all vaccines in MN. And I did opt my kids out.

Interesting. Thanks for the information. Did you opt them out of all the vaccinations?

41 posted on 09/14/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: thackney

I don’t care about the damn vaccine. If a person wants it, they should be able to get it.

If the Merck shysters price it out of range, that is their problem, not the taxpayers.

Using an EO was just rotten. I don’t like it when Obama does it either.

This is the kind of crap the American people are tired of. They are tired of politicians making deals behind their backs thinking they always know better.


42 posted on 09/14/2011 7:30:02 AM PDT by dforest
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To: BfloGuy

This guy started his hit piece by lying and saying Bachmann is against all mandated vaccines. He then goes on to lie about the opt out provision in Minn.

Perry must be desperate for his shills to be putting out this garbage!

A. Personal Exemption States
Thirteen states that mandate Hepatitis B vaccination for schoolchildren
(Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, North
Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin) provide broad
room for exemption on personal grounds. Such grounds may be religious, of
course, but may also be moral or philosophical. In these states, a parent need
simply follow the pertinent statutory language, which usually requires written
certification of the parent’s objection to vaccination. Arizona and Colorado
additionally require language on the parental request for exemption stating the
parent’s appreciation of the risks of non-vaccination. And Minnesota requires
that the certification be notarized. Generally speaking, however, in the thirteen
states whose immunization statutes grant a personal belief exemption, parents
who follow the form of the law may successfully keep their children from
Hepatitis B vaccination.


43 posted on 09/14/2011 7:38:20 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: CA Conservative
Bears repeating, with emphasis:

The point of the article is that she does not seem to be against ALL state mandated vaccines, nor even against ALL state mandated vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases. Her outrage seems to be limited to Gardasil, and that appears to be because she thinks she can gain a political advantage from it.

This is pure politics. Is Bachmann carrying MittCare Romney's water here or Obama's? Doesn't matter, no difference. Too bad. I liked Bachmann. But she is now politically dead to me...

44 posted on 09/14/2011 7:39:20 AM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: indylindy
Using an EO was just rotten. I don’t like it when Obama does it either

I agree Perry made a mistake in using an EO for this vaccine, especially on such a short time frame. If he believed in it, he should have used leadership to put it in place like was done with the previous vaccines.

That said, I see Executive Orders as part of the checks and balances within our three tiered government. As the Texas Legislation showed, the EO wasn't without its own check and balance.

Not all executive orders are a bad thing. Some have been used rather effectively for conservative policy.

http://www.conservativeusa.org/eo/reagan.htm

45 posted on 09/14/2011 7:44:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cboldt
I believe all states mandate Hep-B vaccination, and only Virginia and Washington DC mandate vaccination against HPV. There must be some justification for the disparity in public policy treatment.

How about this: The Hep-B vaccine has been around for 30 years, and it's mandated use occured when people weren't nearly as scientifically and mathmatically illiterate as they are now. The HPV vaccine is new, so public policy hasn't been set, and people today are stupid enough to believe that a vaccine that could save thousands of lives a year is evil because about 0.0043 percent of people who have had it suffered serious consequences (yes, including death).

46 posted on 09/14/2011 7:47:52 AM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: free me

The same type of opt out exists in Texas. Why is it acceptable for Bachmann in Minnesota but not in Texas?


47 posted on 09/14/2011 7:52:05 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: BfloGuy

At this point, Bachman is grasping at straws. Her poll numbers have foundered, and it now looks like a race between Perry and Romney (failing Palin getting into the race). She had to find some issue to thwart Perry’s ascendancy. This feigned outrage makes her look petty, and will not affect the race one whit. Too bad, because I like Bachman.


48 posted on 09/14/2011 7:54:29 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: thackney

Dick Cheney was on a show last week talking about EO’s.

They have a purpose if used as they were intended.

This is not one of them. They shouldn’t be used to bypass the will of the legislature. I don’t care about Perry’s description of “good intent”.

Democrats use that canard to justify just about everything they do.


49 posted on 09/14/2011 7:54:38 AM PDT by dforest
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To: MEGoody

“Her issue seemed to be with vaccines for things like HPV which are spread through deliberate behavioral choices.”

so in other words, if a teen has sex, she deserves to die from cancer for her sins.


50 posted on 09/14/2011 7:54:57 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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