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After Turner Earthquake in Weiner District, Democrats’ Civil War Against Obama Begins
Big Government ^ | Sep 13th 2011 | Andrew Breitbart

Posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:23 PM PDT by neverdem

History will never be able to tell us who made the fatal error in New York’s 9th district – Barack Obama, or Anthony Weiner.

Just as Weiner kept on making critical errors every step of the way as his personal scandal unfolded earlier this year, President Obama has done everything in NY-09 to show that he is no friend of Israel and has no clue how to create jobs or learn from his many mistakes.

I predict a tectonic shift among American Jews and within the Democratic Party if Obama doesn’t quietly retire. All the spinning in the world can’t spin away the trend of Scott Brown, the Tea Party victory of November 2010, and now the Turner earthquake.

Many Democrats are awakening to the reality that their party has been hijacked by a radicalism completely unfamiliar to their parents’ and grandparents’ Democratic Party.

An internal, partisan civil war is now brewing in that party. What I think tonight is less important than what Joe Lieberman, Bill Clinton, Evan Bayh, and the rest of the former, and now defunct, reasonable wing of the Democratic Party is thinking tonight.


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KEYWORDS: obama; obamaoneterm; turner; weiner; weinerdistrict
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IMHO, any moderate and conservatives left in that party, e.g. Jacksonian Democrats, are finally going to bolt in 2012.
1 posted on 09/14/2011 7:17:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Like I said in an earlier post ... the GOP may take the Senate before the 2012 elections due to Democratic party defections.


2 posted on 09/14/2011 7:19:30 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: neverdem

I don’t think its “Civil War” as much as its finger pointing. Most of what’s Left in the Democratic party isn’t remotely moderate. In fact, to many, Obama is probably too moderate for them.


3 posted on 09/14/2011 7:21:16 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: neverdem
What I think tonight is less important than what Joe Lieberman, Bill Clinton, Evan Bayh, and the rest of the former, and now defunct, reasonable wing of the Democratic Party

Bill Clinton reasonable? Don't think so.

4 posted on 09/14/2011 7:21:35 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Usagi_yo

Do we have any sense of Blue dog Democrats possibly changing their party affiliation.


5 posted on 09/14/2011 7:21:58 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: neverdem

Andrew, I hope you’re right. But if Krintong is considered “reasonable”, then the RATS are in real FN trouble!


6 posted on 09/14/2011 7:25:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: rbg81

Too bad we can’t enforce truth in advertising rules with the Democrats. It was taken over by the socialist and communist parties long ago.

Now, the RHINO arm of the Republican party.... that is an attempt at the more moderate lefties to take over the Republican party. I am sick of them.


7 posted on 09/14/2011 7:25:27 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress
Blue dog Democrats possibly changing their party affiliation.

And be reported to www.attackwatch.com? You've got to be kidding.

8 posted on 09/14/2011 7:26:23 PM PDT by kevao
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To: neverdem
completely unfamiliar to their parents’ and grandparents’ Democratic Party

There has already been a battle for the reins of the DNC and the far left has won that battle. Andrew seems to suggest the less left are going to battle to take back their party from the more left.

9 posted on 09/14/2011 7:27:11 PM PDT by umgud
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To: neverdem
Many Democrats are awakening to the reality that their party has been hijacked by a radicalism completely unfamiliar to their parents’ and grandparents’ Democratic Party.

There are a lot of congenital Democrats who are more conservative than most Freepers, but they've never voted for a Republican in their lives. That's about to change. Once those people realize they are more at home as Republicans, it will not be easy for Democrats to win them back.

10 posted on 09/14/2011 7:27:11 PM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: rbg81
I don’t think its “Civil War” as much as its finger pointing. Most of what’s Left in the Democratic party isn’t remotely moderate. In fact, to many, Obama is probably too moderate for them.

In their leadership, yes, but in their rank and file, not in many areas of the country besides the northeast and the west coast. They recruited moderates in 2006 to take over Congress and again in 3008 to expand their majorities.

11 posted on 09/14/2011 7:30:10 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

It’s President Obama’s courageous leadership that kept the election close. People want to vote for Obama’s party, but couldn’t stomach Weiner.


12 posted on 09/14/2011 7:31:44 PM PDT by kingcanuteus
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To: neverdem

Hope and Change.
They got it and didnt like it........


13 posted on 09/14/2011 7:32:06 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: neverdem

Someone else pointed out as well, that the bougoueise limo types in NY-09 are pro’bly starting to feel the pinch a little also and the uncertainty...

The short-limo rich don’t like to spend time worrying about their money, they like to be enjoying it. Especially those of the Jewish faith. They are tight-knit family folks that like to make sure nephew Weimar, Jr. goes to a good school, Old Awnt Marg has a good apartment, oy vey.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 7:32:59 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: neverdem

We have a Communist administration.


15 posted on 09/14/2011 7:33:47 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: neverdem

They are all a bunch of racists.


16 posted on 09/14/2011 7:34:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: neverdem

Little tricky with Weiner because of his wife...who I bet was given (permanent) leave by Hillary. Still don’t think the weiner marriage will last.


17 posted on 09/14/2011 7:35:29 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: FreeAtlanta
RINOs were always Democrats who agreed to run as Republicans in districts where a regular Republican would certainly lose.

We used the technique successfully to break the back of the Democrat grip on the Solid South.

We only need about 13 Democrat Senators to "come over" for voting if not for caucusing to defeat the Obama Regime.

18 posted on 09/14/2011 7:36:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kingcanuteus
It’s President Obama’s courageous leadership that kept the election close. People want to vote for Obama’s party, but couldn’t stomach Weiner.

There was at least one poll, maybe more, that said Weiner should keep his seat!

19 posted on 09/14/2011 7:37:27 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress
Half the Blue Dog Coalition got wiped out in 2010. These are more or less the ones who are left and of these, a few are either retiring or running for higher office. A couple are in districts that are possibly going to be eliminated or redistricted in a way to make their re-election more challenging. So the Blue Dog Coalition will likely continue to shrink.

That some of these consider themselves Blue Dogs is laughable. I don't think any of them will switch. In 2010, a couple switched to run as Republicans and got primaried. Lesson learned.

Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)

Barrow, John (GA-12)

Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Schrader, Kurt (OR-05)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)

20 posted on 09/14/2011 7:39:17 PM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: kevao

Right, and even if they did . . . they would still vote like commies, along with our RINOs.


21 posted on 09/14/2011 7:39:27 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: neverdem
All of the real democrats bolted years ago. What is left in the democratic party is socialists, communists, anarchists, abortionists, feminists, and opportunists.
22 posted on 09/14/2011 7:39:41 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Santelli is the real leader of the tea party.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Too bad we can’t enforce truth in advertising rules with the Democrats. It was taken over by the socialist and communist parties long ago.

Now, the RHINO arm of the Republican party.... that is an attempt at the more moderate lefties to take over the Republican party. I am sick of them.

I have to disagree with your assessment.

The radical leftists started taking over the Democrat party at a specific point in time. The radicals who demonstrated in Grant Park, at the 1968 Democrat convention, were in the hall the next time around. It was they who nominated McGovern in 1972.

By 1988, they had fully infiltrated the party and taken over its leadership.

The RINOs, on the other hand, are the rump of the Republican Party as it stood before the election of Ronald Reagan and the Gingrich Revolution of 1994. And it is conservatives who are now taking over from the RINOs, just as socialists took over the Democrat party in the seventies and eighties.

23 posted on 09/14/2011 7:40:31 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

They would be Rinos. No thanks.


24 posted on 09/14/2011 7:43:09 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: FreeAtlanta

In some ways, the Socialists Workers party are even more honest than the Democrats . . .

They advertise exactly what they are, while the Democrats are wolves in sheeps clothing, pretending to be pro-American.


25 posted on 09/14/2011 7:43:12 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: randita
There are a lot of congenital Democrats who are more conservative than most Freepers, but they've never voted for a Republican in their lives.

They did this time.

26 posted on 09/14/2011 7:44:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: neverdem

Hint to dems...start with exposing the clumsy idiot who forged both of Obama’s fake birth certificates.


27 posted on 09/14/2011 7:48:06 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: neverdem

if Obama doesn’t quietly retire.................................. I predicted that, I foresee an LBJ type decision. But at the same time, I see him going after the dumbed down yoot vote and keeping his black majority backers. Will his ego keep him in the running or will it finally dawn upon him that he is above his pay grade?


28 posted on 09/14/2011 7:48:17 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fight with smear, Conservatives fight with truth. Palin & West team 4 me)
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To: neverdem

bump.


29 posted on 09/14/2011 7:50:18 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: neverdem

There are no "reasonable democrats".

30 posted on 09/14/2011 7:52:05 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: randita

Boren of OK, a true Blue Dog, is not running for reelection.


31 posted on 09/14/2011 7:52:58 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: neverdem

This is gonna be fun.


32 posted on 09/14/2011 7:55:05 PM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: Tea Party or the Slumber Party?)
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To: neverdem

“IMHO, any moderate and conservatives left in that party, e.g. Jacksonian Democrats, are finally going to bolt in 2012.”

IMHO...This doesn’t thrill me. Conservative democrats make RINO republicans that bring us people like McCain and Bush. I’d be happier, much happier, if they’d remain democrats and vote for conservative tea party republicans as their dissent.

Let them become real conservatives before they try to join the Republican party. Or let them go Green.


33 posted on 09/14/2011 7:58:02 PM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: randita
Many Democrats are awakening to the reality that their party has been hijacked by a radicalism completely unfamiliar to their parents’ and grandparents’ Democratic Party.

My grandfather was big-time in local Democratic politics in CT. I recently spoke to my Uncle about the hijacking of the Democratic Party by the left.

He said that his father [my grandfather] had told him that the Democratic Party [nationally] had come perilously close to being hijacked by the Socialists and Communists in the late 1930's and 1940's.

However, they were ultimately rejected and pretty much purged from the Party from the 1950's onward ...

My Uncle says that [this time], they have managed to grab the brass ring [however briefly], but will ultimately be rejected again when Obama is defeated in 2012 and when control of the Senate will also turn over to the GOP.

Then, the blood-letting will begin. Revolt within the Democratic Party will knock Pelosi and Reid from power, along with their minions, and there will be fresh leadership at the helm.

However, the damage will have been done and it may be another 20 years before the Democratic Party becomes a contender again - as long as the GOP does NOT over reach and screw it up.

By that time, Breyer and Ginsburg will have retired [or died on the bench] and a GOP-controlled legislature [and POTUS] will have installed conservative replacements who will be on the bench until at least 2030 [or longer] ...

34 posted on 09/14/2011 8:00:35 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress
Do we have any sense of Blue dog Democrats possibly changing their party affiliation.

We would need four. I don't see that happening. Even if four seriously thought about, each would know that the pay back, from the other Democrats, would be a (expletive deleted). Even Jumpin' Jim Jeffords retired, after he handed the Democrats a majority, by switching parties, and Vermont lost some milk subsidies. Can you imagine the pay back the Democrats would extract? And if they ever got the majority back, any former Democrat, whose switch had cost them the Senate, would be a pariah, such as has not been seen since the Civil War.

No, any Senate Democrat, with a hope of a future career, won't switch, if it gives the Republicans control. And if they don't have hopes of a future career, why bother?

Webb, who was never able to give a succinct explanation of why he became a Democrat, may switch back. But he isn't running for re-election anyway.

Ben Nelson, who plays a moderate, when at home in Nebraska, might try to save himself, but I don't see him winning the Republican Primary. Mary Landrieu, who plays a moderate when at home in Louisiana, isn't up until 2014, but might switch early, especially given the weird "open" primary they have in Louisiana, but I don't see anyone else.

35 posted on 09/14/2011 8:05:05 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: oldbrowser; jdege
All of the real democrats bolted years ago. What is left in the democratic party is socialists, communists, anarchists, abortionists, feminists, and opportunists.

You could say that for the northeast and the west coast, but not for most of flyover country. look at a map, courtesy of jdege, of gun rights/privileges resoration.

The folks you describe are limited to big cities and college towns. The radical left craves gun control. All those states didn't restore gun rights and privileges with just GOP votes.

36 posted on 09/14/2011 8:07:53 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
who made the fatal error in New York’s 9th district – Barack Obama, or Anthony Weiner.

Yeah, one RAT bastard is as bad as the next, be gooniun thug, moronic tree hugger, packer, straight pervert, race baiter, mediot, celebretard etc.

Maybe the Jewish RAT voters are just getting sick of that crowd.

37 posted on 09/14/2011 8:14:05 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: wgflyer
IMHO...This doesn’t thrill me. Conservative democrats make RINO republicans that bring us people like McCain and Bush. I’d be happier, much happier, if they’d remain democrats and vote for conservative tea party republicans as their dissent.

Let them become real conservatives before they try to join the Republican party. Or let them go Green.

You're talking about coal country and big oil and natural gas employees.

38 posted on 09/14/2011 8:25:15 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I will bet on his ego will keep him in the running. This man maybe stupid but he is DRIVEN by his Marxism. He will not go willingly.


39 posted on 09/14/2011 8:27:20 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Montanabound

Boren is retiring. Also Jane Harman. Donnelly is running for Senate. The NC twins are being unfavorably redistricted as well as Altmire.

The ranks are definitely in the process of shrinking. Before 2010, there were about twice the number of Blue Dogs as I listed. They were decimated (har-har).


40 posted on 09/14/2011 8:30:56 PM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: Pilsner

Thanks for your answer. You sure put some thought in it.

By the way, have you seen how they are reacting over at DemonUndgerground?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x771914

I have even seen at least one of them demand that his/her account be deleted. They sure can’t take criticism.


41 posted on 09/14/2011 8:31:59 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: kingcanuteus

“It’s President Obama’s courageous leadership that kept the election close.”

Courageous leadership? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Over??!! What’s the color of the sky in your world?


42 posted on 09/14/2011 8:37:18 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: neverdem

“There was at least one poll, maybe more, that said Weiner should keep his seat!”

I would agree that Weiner could keep his seat if I could be assured that Barry would lose his a**.

Duoc khong voi ong?


43 posted on 09/14/2011 8:50:06 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Da Coyote

Wait for it. I am. I think its likely. Notice Hilary’s silence lately. I look for Hilary to run a primary challenge and Trump to call out the BC again. This is if the potus doesn’t resign, which is possible. Either way short of biblical stuff he is a one termer.


44 posted on 09/14/2011 8:51:20 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: randita

Loretta Sanchez is a blue dog .. I could be wrong, but I thought she was the open boarders candidate that took down B-1 Bob Dornan ... won on votes of illegals.


45 posted on 09/14/2011 9:06:34 PM PDT by RainMan
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To: neverdem

Obama hasn’t had a very good week (and it’s only Wed night):

1. Soylyndra is blowing up.
2. NY-9
3. NV-2.
4. Having name “American Jobs Act” Taken.
5. Goofball snitch web site.


46 posted on 09/14/2011 9:07:52 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Psalm 109:8)
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To: neverdem
I pray Obama doesn't go any where. I want to see him go down to bloody humiliating defeat.

How can we possibly be served by running against another democrat. The only advantage I can see is the black vote would be highly dispirited and remain home.

47 posted on 09/14/2011 9:13:41 PM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Rembrandt
I would agree that Weiner could keep his seat if I could be assured that Barry would lose his a**.

Duoc khong voi ong?

Translate, please? My Vietnamese is too stale, and Vietnamese can get lost in translation without those diacritical marks. If Obama loses, then "Xin loi minh oi" gets retired for a second time. It's replacement will be, "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, free at last"!

48 posted on 09/14/2011 9:29:41 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Too bad we can’t enforce truth in advertising rules with the Democrats.”

We do. Their advertizing mascot is a jacka$$. It’s your first clue as to what is inside.


49 posted on 09/14/2011 9:43:05 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......got my GRRRRR on!)
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To: enduserindy

Interesting. Seems plausible.


50 posted on 09/14/2011 9:55:45 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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