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NOM RELEASES "FLASH" SURVEY IN NY-9 - WEPRIN VOTE FOR GAY MARRIAGE COST HIM SEAT IN CONGRESS
NOM Blog ^ | September 14, 2011 | National Organization for Marriage

Posted on 09/14/2011 10:09:27 PM PDT by Antoninus

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 14, 2011

Mary Beth Hutchins or Elizabeth Ray at 703-683-5004

WEPRIN VOTE FOR GAY MARRIAGE COST HIM SEAT IN CONGRESS

Washington –The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) today released a “flash” survey conducted yesterday among voters of New York’s 9th Congressional District which demonstrates that David Weprin’s support of same-sex marriage was a major factor in his loss to Republican Bob Turner.

“This survey demonstrates what many people have been saying for a long time – David Weprin’s vote in favor of same-sex marriage cost him election to the US House,” said Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage. “NOM funded a major independent expenditure campaign in this race and the survey shows that marriage was a major factor in the race and cost Weprin the election.” The election of Republican Bob Turner marks the first time this district has been represented by a Republican since the early 1920s.

The survey by QEV Analytics interviewed 251 actual or highly likely voters in the NY 9th Congressional District and concluded just as the polls closed last evening. It found the following:

Fifty percent (50%) of district voters believe that marriage should only be between one man and one woman; while only 38% of voters disagree (13% didn’t express an opinion). Marriage supporters include 88% of Orthodox Jews, 53% of Catholics and 47% of other Christians. There is a high correlation between a person’s position on marriage and their vote between Turner and Weprin. Those who agree marriage should only be between a man and a woman voted for Turner 81% - 19%. Turner won Orthodox Jews 91% - 9%; Catholics by 72%-28%; Other Christians 53% - 47%. Weprin won among non-Orthodox Jews 69% - 29%; among Other/None/DK 76%-24%.

Moreover, among those who agree with the traditional definition of marriage, 44% said Weprin’s position was a factor in their vote, while 29% of those who disagree said his position was a factor. Voters told the pollster that David Weprin’s position on same-sex marriage was a specific factor in the voting decision of 72% of Orthodox Jews, 29% of Other Jews, 27% of Catholics, 33% of Other Christians, 27% of other/None/DK.

“When the New York legislature voted to redefine marriage, NOM vowed that we would hold those legislators accountable. This is what happened last night,” Brown said. “Legislators were sold a bill of goods when they were told by Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg and the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) that they could redefine marriage and suffer no political consequences. All you have to do is look at David Weprin’s shocking loss to Bob Turner to understand that voting for same-sex marriage has consequences. Weprin just lost one of the most Democratic Congressional seats in the country in large part because of his vote to redefine marriage. Cuomo, Bloomberg and the HRC couldn’t save him and neither will they be able to save other legislators when it comes time for them to face voters.”

QEV derived the survey sample from a random selection of registered voters in the district most likely to vote in a special election. They carefully monitored the age distribution of the obtained sample so that it matched the age distribution of those likely voters. They weighted the obtained results so that these precisely matched the actual vote result.

The survey sample was 13% Orthodox Jewish, 25% Other Jewish, 36% Catholic, 12% Other Christian, 14% Other Faiths + No Faith + No Response. The margin of sampling error for Orthodox Jews on the ballot question is +/- 10%, which means that actual result of the ballot question could theoretically be as close as 81% Turner/19% Weprin.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bobturner; davidweprin; gop; homonazism; homopsychoagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; jew; jewish; jewishvote; jewishvotes; marriage; newyork; nom; ny9; nyc; orthodoxjewish; orthodoxjews; republican; ssm; turner; weprin
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Attention GOP -- Even Democrats don't want gay "marriage." It's a wedge issue that, if used correctly, can shake loose a lot of Democrat seats. Please stop following the elites and the media on this subject. Homosexual marriage is not popular and never will be!
1 posted on 09/14/2011 10:09:37 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah
The National Organization for Marriage deserves major kudos for what went down last night. They are an effective conservative organization that deserves our support.

National Organization for Marriage
2 posted on 09/14/2011 10:12:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: Antoninus

sample size too small to be significant


3 posted on 09/14/2011 10:13:36 PM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Antoninus
"Even Democrats don't want gay "marriage.""

No, it means their constituents need more education

4 posted on 09/14/2011 10:14:14 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Antoninus
Turner is pro traditional marriage and pro life and he won in deep blue NYC.

Yet we have folks on this board who think that we should take a pass or make a truce on social issues.

This is exibit "A" why that strategy sucks.

5 posted on 09/14/2011 10:16:12 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Antoninus

So a self-serving survey by the National Organization for Marriage lets Obama and Schumer off the hook. What a nice gift for the press corps.


6 posted on 09/14/2011 10:18:44 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Antoninus

Even worse, he tried to justify his vote in favor of gay marriage on the grounds that it was consistent with the teachings of his religion. Which is obviously nuts and infuriated his coreligionists.


7 posted on 09/14/2011 10:18:56 PM PDT by DManA
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To: tlb
So a self-serving survey by the National Organization for Marriage lets Obama and Schumer off the hook. What a nice gift for the press corps.

LOL. You can look at it that way if you want. The fact of the matter is that NOM did a lot of heavy lifting in terms of direct mail in that race. Folks may be down on Obama, but the gay "marriage" thing is fresh in their minds in NY.
8 posted on 09/14/2011 10:21:45 PM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: FreeReign
This is exibit "A" why that strategy sucks.

The people who want a "truce" on social issues are almost always social liberals. And if you think you can trust a social liberal to be a fiscal conservative, you're nuts.
9 posted on 09/14/2011 10:23:01 PM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: DManA

Sounds like a real odd ball. Modern Orthodoxy is one of the last places you’d expect to hear something like this. (The more liberal arms of the American synagogue have already plunged themselves into this sewer.)


10 posted on 09/14/2011 10:23:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Antoninus

Or trust that they really want a truce.

They’ll take a “truce” to consolidate their gains and, when things have settled down, they’ll commence tearing apart the social fabric.


11 posted on 09/14/2011 10:50:34 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Antoninus

As someone here said in a prior post “ erections have consequences


12 posted on 09/14/2011 10:52:51 PM PDT by woodenickel
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To: HiTech RedNeck; rmlew

“Sounds like a real odd ball. Modern Orthodoxy is one of the last places you’d expect to hear something like this. “

I thought so too until (a) another Freeper clued me in and (b) I spent a few years in the M.O. community.

Basically mostly kosher Dems, with the appearance of hard right on Israel but center left on everything else.

(I say “appearance” because they are indeed hard right on Israel and also often actively support the U.S. military, but imho, their Dem votes nullify those RW actions).


13 posted on 09/14/2011 10:52:58 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: icanhasbailout

Democrats take note: Support Gay Marriage and end your political career. Better have another job in your back pocket if you back these un-popular acts.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 10:57:07 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Antoninus

I hope those gay marriage supporting traitor RINOs in the NY senate pay very close attention. If they were hoping for democratic cover next election, they should remember, dems can’t even protect themselves. How are they going to provide cover for you backstabbers?

Hopefully November 2012 will get rid of democrats and any reach across the aisle RINOs up for re-election. Maybe the RINOs, elites, beltway boys will take notice and quit trying to push their favorite RINO’s on us.


15 posted on 09/14/2011 11:05:46 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Antoninus

Truth. To be a social liberal is to be a fiscal liberal in the long run. After all, the taxpayers end up being the ones forced to pay for the consequences and results of social liberalism in society.


16 posted on 09/14/2011 11:15:13 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Yehuda

It is an opportunity. White Southerners didn’t become Republican overnight.


17 posted on 09/14/2011 11:15:23 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Antoninus

I’m happy to know that more NYers have better morals than I originally thought.


18 posted on 09/14/2011 11:25:03 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: icanhasbailout

Assuming that they did their best to maintain randomness of the sample, IMO, n= 250 should be fine. The number of people voted on Tuesday was about 60,000. So, a bit below 0.5%. Most sample size for presidential poll usually are much lower than that (in terms of percentage).


19 posted on 09/14/2011 11:41:14 PM PDT by paudio (The 0bama Downgrade Part Two (a possible sequel to the current horror movie))
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To: Steve Van Doorn

No, it means they don’t want homosexual marriage. The term “education” used in this instance is a euphemism for the ongoing effort by some to exert social pressure and force society into submission on this.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 12:11:23 AM PDT by Obadiah (Okay, so what's the speed of dark?)
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To: tlb

I’d LIKE this to be true, but Weiner was very pro-gay marriage. I highly doubt he wouldn’t have been re-elected easily were it not for his sexcapades.


21 posted on 09/15/2011 12:21:05 AM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: DManA

“So a self-serving survey by the National Organization for Marriage lets Obama and Schumer off the hook. What a nice gift for the press corps.”

It is rare that a single issue will generate a major upset - the donkey in this case got caught up in a “perfect storm” of problems: 1) the Obama fail on the economy (and policy in general); 2) the administration’s (and by extension, the Democrat Party’s) hostility to the Jewish state; and 3) the homosexual marriage fiasco. You might even throw in some residual disgust at the Weiner scandal.

I have no hard evidence, but I suspect the results would’ve been different if only one of these issues was in play - but with all three / four, we end up with a Turner victory.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 2:07:43 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Yehuda

“Basically mostly kosher Dems, with the appearance of hard right on Israel but center left on everything else.”

It’s not that are necessarily *for* gays but they just don’t care if someone votes for it, if they are good on other issues. So they will support someone like Giuliani for president with no problems.


23 posted on 09/15/2011 4:08:58 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: boop

“I’d LIKE this to be true, but Weiner was very pro-gay marriage. I highly doubt he wouldn’t have been re-elected easily were it not for his sexcapades.”

Republicans didn’t even bother running anyone against him for many years. And those that did were ‘Mickey Mouse’ candidates that weren’t serious.


24 posted on 09/15/2011 4:14:52 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Antoninus

There was a very strong grassroots effort in the Jewish community but NOM gave the cause a badly needed professional organization to reach out to everybody.

I know this community. This issue was white hot.


25 posted on 09/15/2011 4:24:11 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Antoninus

“Weprin won among non-Orthodox Jews 69% - 29%; among Other/None/DK 76%-24%. “

Young Israel member Weprin gets the atheist vote. FAIL


26 posted on 09/15/2011 4:25:53 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Antoninus

Small sample, yes BUT notice there has been NO movement away from Democrats among secular Jews. There is NO reason for Democrats to panic over losing Jewish voters because they are NOT. Jews still have not learned their lesson.


27 posted on 09/15/2011 4:46:09 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Antoninus
The people who want a "truce" on social issues are almost always social liberals

...and their definition of a "truce" is when only ONE side gives up........

28 posted on 09/15/2011 4:50:21 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Antoninus

I’m absolutely sure his “gay ‘marriage’” vote highly played into it. This horrendous vote ticked off a LOT of New Yorkers. NOM has declared war on Legislators who did. Good for them!!!


29 posted on 09/15/2011 5:03:37 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Antoninus

Attention GOP...

Lesson from Massachusetts from last year:

It is NOT a winning strategy to drive away your base by attempting to win over people that will NEVER vote for you anyway......

April 8, 2009
Mass. Republican Party Chairman says party will no longer oppose same-sex “marriage”, abortion, other “social issues”
http://www.massresistance.com/docs/gen/09b/nassour/index.html

April 21, 2010
Mass GOP convention nominates most extreme pro-gay Governor & Lt. Governor candidates in history
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/gop_convention/index.html

Aug 4, 2010
Charlie Baker & Richard Tisei: a pro-family nightmare
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/baker_tisei/index.html

Nov 1, 2010
Republican Lt. Gov. candidate Richard Tisei promises gay newspaper he’ll push homosexual agenda on several fronts
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/baker_tisei/tisei_promises_gay_agenda.html

Nov 4, 2010
Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/general/results_statewide.html

Nov 5, 2010
Mass. Republican Party’s RINO strategy a big part of election losses in top state races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/gop_strategy/index.html


30 posted on 09/15/2011 5:04:24 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Antoninus

In one of the most liberal districts in New York?

Somehow I think it’s more complex than that.


31 posted on 09/15/2011 5:08:39 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Sun
I’m happy to know that more NYers have better morals than I originally thought.

I really think a wrench of some kind was thrown into their election fraud machine this time, for whatever reason.

32 posted on 09/15/2011 7:50:45 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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On a thread yesterday I saw a photo of Weprin "celebrating" at a Perv Pride Parade. He spat in the face of every person in his district with a moral compass. I say - HA HA and may this be indicative of future elections, all over the US!

33 posted on 09/15/2011 9:12:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ReformationFan
Truth. To be a social liberal is to be a fiscal liberal in the long run. After all, the taxpayers end up being the ones forced to pay for the consequences and results of social liberalism in society.

Bingo. This point needs to be hammered again and again until the "liberal on social issues" crowd gets it.
34 posted on 09/15/2011 9:40:48 AM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: boop
I’d LIKE this to be true, but Weiner was very pro-gay marriage. I highly doubt he wouldn’t have been re-elected easily were it not for his sexcapades.

Since Weiner's last election, NYers have been forced to focus on this issue. As we've seen in other referenda on gay "marriage", the more people think about it, the less they like it and the more willing they are to vote against it.
35 posted on 09/15/2011 9:43:43 AM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: little jeremiah
This election has just showed us conservatives not the half conservatives that the homosexual agenda SHOULD BE MENTIONED and it should not let any of us or candidates shut up about it. You mention to the voters that so and so candidate Dem is for homosexuals to marry and Govt can pay for those who are wanting to have their boobs chopped off then we will always win. Every state who has voted has said they want normal marriage. When this agenda has been brought up the winner is always the man/woman who stands for normal marriage. IT IS HIGH TIME TO MENTION THIS and I see the likes of CNN did not want to give the likes of Rick S much time as they know it gives him more of a spotlight and might bump his numbers up. One elderly lady She was talking and saying how her customers hate obama etc and then said in my ear very silently I don't think those homosexuals should marry either. I stopped her and told her she did not have to whisper , she has every right to shout it out loud if she likes and she will find that most agree with her especially down here. What a shame the likes of Megyn Kelly on FOX to the dopes on MSNBC, to the Boston globe to Hollywood tell us we have to stay silent and if we don't we will be called a name. well screw them
36 posted on 09/15/2011 10:07:40 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he is socially liberal, another phony conservative,1man +1 woman=marriage)
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To: icanhasbailout

sample size too small to be significant””

Really, so tell us what size of sample is required?


37 posted on 09/15/2011 10:27:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Antoninus

NOM should stifle themselves. NY-09 happened because of Obama, not gay marriage!


38 posted on 09/15/2011 10:29:14 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: manc

You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT my friend!!! People have been so terrified of the fascist techniques of the leftists that they’ve lost their courage and sense!

(note my tagline...!!!)


39 posted on 09/15/2011 10:35:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Generally you need a sample size of at least 400 (larger for larger overall populations) to have reasonable confidence that you haven’t run across an unrepresentative sample population.


40 posted on 09/15/2011 11:08:12 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: icanhasbailout

I always thought sample size was based on variance within the population from which you seek to draw inferences. This is a yes or no issue. I question where that 400 figure came from.


41 posted on 09/15/2011 11:25:51 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: rmlew

Yep!


42 posted on 09/15/2011 12:55:27 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I may be mistaken, that number is awfully small. If you run into even a small group of similiar-minded people not representative of the general public you can skew the results if the total count is only 251.

I would not be terribly surprised to find that gay marriage is very unpopular, I just wouldn’t get worked up on a sample that small.


43 posted on 09/15/2011 1:37:52 PM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: fwdude

“I really think a wrench of some kind was thrown into their election fraud machine this time, for whatever reason.”

I hope that happens more often.


44 posted on 09/15/2011 3:13:45 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: cynwoody

“NOM should stifle themselves. NY-09 happened because of Obama, not gay marriage!”

I live in NY 9. You don’t know what you are talking about. Of course it was about gay marriage. Yes, they don’t like Obama but if weprin wasn’t for gay marriage he would have easily won. Jews voting for a catholic over another Jew? That would be like blacks in Harlem voting for McCain instead of Obama.


45 posted on 09/15/2011 7:13:05 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: All; Antoninus; NYer

“Ignored in virtually all the mainstream media coverage is another factor leading to opposition among Weprin’s fellow Jews: New York’s same-sex marriage legislation, which Weprin supported. Of all the sources quoted above, only HuffPo mentions this:

Weprin also became embroiled in New York-centric disputes over Israel and gay marriage, which cost him some support among Jewish voters.

Orthodox Jews, who tend to be conservative on social issues, expressed anger over Weprin’s vote in the Assembly to legalize gay marriage. In July, New York became one of six states to recognize same-sex nuptials.”

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/steven-greydanus/post-weiner-election#ixzz1Y5J2joQE

Even the Huffington admits what an important factor Weprin’s vote for same-sex “marriage” was.


46 posted on 09/15/2011 9:30:08 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Antoninus; FreeReign; Steelers6; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; ...
I still find the data coming of NY-9 to be fasinating and like to anaylze it. This is one of the few districts where religion probably played a much bigger factor than race, ethnic background, income, education, etc. This article has the breakdown on how religious groups voted in the special election. Here are the numbers:

Turner won Orthodox Jews 91% - 9%
Turner won Catholics by 72% - 28%
Turner won among non-Catholic Christians 53% - 47%
Weprin won among non-Orthodox Jews 69% - 29%

The first stat with the Orthodox Jews is amazing to me. I agree it's unprecedented in American politics, and would be similar to blacks in Harlem voting for McCain. Orthodox Jews have always been the most politically “conservative” of the three major Jewish denominations but by no means have ever been overwhemingly Republican like say, Mormons. In fact, they're probably best described as the “least liberal” of the three main types of Jews. Also, we have to remember Weprin himself IS an Orthodox Jew. That doesn't seem to have helped him one bit. The pre-election polls showing an orthodox Jewish landslide weren't overly optimistic, they were correct.

The Catholic vote is impressive too. Yes, Bob Turner himself IS Catholic but this ain't the JFK era where Catholics show up and blindly vote for whoever is Catholic because they've never been in power before. (just ask John Kerry how much being Catholic helped him with Catholic voters) Being a Catholic politician in NYC is hardly news. Catholics are swing voters nationwide, from what read they're just about 50-50% on the GOP/Dem spectrum in modern America. Turner obviously was far more popular with Catholics that Weprin.

Then we have the “other Christians”. Since it's NYC, I'm guessing this category is almost entirely made up of Protestants. (even nationally, Orthodox Christians are a tiny percentage of the population), or they'd be “nondenominational Christians” who refuse to identify as protestant for some reason. Protestants seemed about equally divided in this election, Turner wins by a slim margin but that's probably because the district as a whole voted for him so undecided protestants went with the perceived “winner” at the last second. You can't argue the close divide is a racial split, as the district is only 4% black. Probably a great deal of white protestants favored the RAT.

Then we have... non-Orthodox Jews. Unlike the “non-Catholic Christians” behind shorthand for protestants, this could probably be all sorts of Jewish voters — Conservative (not politically conservative, the denomination is called Conservative) Jews, Reform Jews, Reconstructionist Jews (have no idea what that is and it's probably not that common, but it seems to be a distinct denomination), nondenominational, and of course secular Jews who come from a Jewish family and heritage but don't practice the faith (betsa the last group voted overwhemingly for Weprin). Overall, any Jew that wasn't Orthodox voted the way that Jewish voters usually vote in America — heavily for Democrats. Not at the 80% level Obama got, but 70% is certainly a huge advantage for the RATs. And I must remind freepers, Orthodox Jews may make up a big percentage (40%?) of NY-9 Jews, but nationally they're only 10% of Jewish voters. So if you're expecting a huge “Jewish” swing nationally to the GOP, don't get your hopes up.

It's interesting how a bunch of freepers claim Catholic voters are more “liberal” than Protestants and like to point out that heavily Catholic states are RAT, but in this case the Catholics heavily voted for the conservative Republican where nearly half of the white protestants supported the RAT.

Some food for thought: People within a religion can tell the difference between themselves and another denomination of their faith almost instantly, but outsiders rarely can. For example, I visited an jewish synagogue a few months ago and had no idea where it was Conservative, Othorodox, or Reform until I asked, but I told a Jewish friend about the trip and she recognized as Reform Jews right away (because wearing Yarmulkes during the Shabat service was optional). Whereas I would immediately be able to tell whether I was in a Catholic Church or a southern baptist one, but a Muslim who was learning about Christianity had no clue that service he observed near me was a Pentecostal protestant service and not a Catholic one. Maybe there are some big cultural divides between Orthodox and Reform/Conservative Jews that escapes me.

I do think those “wedge” social issues like abortion and gay marriage played a big part in this race, motivating Catholics and Orthodox Jews to show up for a special election and vote for Turner because he shared their views. The liberal media and even some freepers have this talking point about how “social conservatives” outside the bible belt are “unelectable” and scare away nice suburban moderate mom in droves. Of course, if that was true you'd never seen urban RATs like State Senator Ruben Diaz in NYC be so outspoken AGAINST gay marriage or Congressman Dan Lipinski (who represents a Chicago based district), rally against Obamacare because it funds abortion. The liberal media and the freepers who tout RINOs can't explain why these urban RATs would push for such “losing” issues, so they simply ignore it.

Whereas I've noticed that even in areas that are otherwise completely socialist, you'll find alot of voters who are pro-life and pro-traditional marriage.

47 posted on 09/15/2011 10:49:01 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
Turner won Orthodox Jews 91% - 9% ....Weprin won among non-Orthodox Jews 69% - 29%

And here the "demography is destiny" argument works in our favor for once. The Orthodox are known for their enormous families.

48 posted on 09/15/2011 11:03:05 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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NOM should stifle themselves. NY-09 happened because of Obama, not gay marriage!

It was both, actually. And if NOM had stifled themselves, Turner may not have won. Would you prefer that they didn't send out 70,000 pieces of direct mail supporting the Republican candidate?
49 posted on 09/15/2011 11:04:40 PM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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It was both, actually. And if NOM had stifled themselves, Turner may not have won. Would you prefer that they didn't send out 70,000 pieces of direct mail supporting the Republican candidate?

NY-09 is one more seat in the House. That's wonderful! But limited, since we don't even have the Senate, much less the White House.

But there is a larger narrative, extending well beyond the gerrymandered borders of NY-09, that addresses the meaning and significance of the election result. If it's seen as a referendum on gay marriage, that's fine and dandy, but, come November 2012, Zero gets re-elected.

I'd prefer the country view the NY-09 result as a rejection of Zero, everything he stands for, the Democrat Party, and eight decades of social progress.

IOW, thank you very much, NOM, now get off your high horse and STFU!

50 posted on 09/15/2011 11:19:25 PM PDT by cynwoody
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