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Amish men jailed for not displaying buggy (orange-red triangle) safety signs
Yahoo ^ | 9/14/11 | Steve Robrahn

Posted on 09/14/2011 10:50:46 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Winstons Julia
They do or at least they have sympathetic barristers that come to their defense. I've met some Amish and found them wise, kindly and very stubborn in their ways. They are practicing their rights in America to live as they do.

Es ist eine Frage des kulturellen Verständnisses, eine Sache des Vertrauens, nicht wahr?
51 posted on 09/15/2011 12:49:40 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Libloather
There is no reason they should be exempt from traffic laws for the sake of their superstition.
52 posted on 09/15/2011 1:13:25 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Jonty30

” I think they should either comply with the law or not take their horse or carriages out after dark.

I’d feel really crappy if I ended up running into the back of those black carriages and killing the driver and/or horses.

I would really feel bad for the horses, not the 300 horses I have under my hood.”


EXACTLY my thoughts
I live smack in the middle of a big community of them, most are good friends too

here in PA for them most part they obey the laws


53 posted on 09/15/2011 3:24:23 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

around here their buggies ALL have flashing lights, front and rear .. the lights are their choice, and even then not enough as 100’s are hit every year


54 posted on 09/15/2011 3:28:27 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Jonty30
That's exactly right.

I'm all for limited government . . . but once you haul your @ss out onto a state-funded roadway, you live by the state's rules. And it's not as if this is an unreasonable expectation by the state, either.

55 posted on 09/15/2011 3:38:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Libloather

I have no idea why they Amish would refuse to put slow moving vehicle (SMV) reflectors on the back of their buggies. Its extremely dangerous for everyone on the road at night without them.

Other farmers use SMVs and they generally have lights to boot.


56 posted on 09/15/2011 3:45:32 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All

Real freedom is not where you can do what you want, at the expense of another person.

It is that magical point where you can do what you want without it compelling people to do what they don’t want to do.

Like hit horses.


57 posted on 09/15/2011 3:52:52 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SF_Redux

If it’s sincerely religious, it would have to do with idolatry. Many of these Christian faiths, which were founded approximately at the same time believe that any colour brings attention to themselves, and not God.

Amongst the groups that believe this would include the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites.

However, unofficially, it’s also about preventing people from leaving their communities, because if you’re still function in the 1800’s, when it’s 2012, it’s pretty hard to adapt to modern times.


58 posted on 09/15/2011 4:00:55 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They often do use the shoulder but are too wide to avoid protruding well into the road on many of the country lanes and even state highways around here. (Central PA)


59 posted on 09/15/2011 4:13:25 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: SampleMan

We have Amish communities here in Hardin County, which is about 150 miles east of where this occurred. The Amish here all display the orange warning triangles on their buggies.


60 posted on 09/15/2011 4:52:32 AM PDT by damper99
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To: BIGLOOK

I don’t speak German ... so let me Babelfish that...

I certainly have nothing against the Amish, but I also think that maybe it’s not wrong to want to ensure that they don’t get slammed into at night traveling the roads.


61 posted on 09/15/2011 5:01:55 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather
Yes, the 'state' is an overreaching, thieving Leviathan tending to enslave us all.
Yes, I totally understand 'matters of principle' (we're on FR, after all :).
Yes, this should've been settled somehow w/o putting these Yoders in jail.
BUT
Yes, their buggies are a menace to nighttime navigation and, unlike a roadkill deer, ya can't eat 'em (well, i wouldn't wanna :).
Yes, they're all over the place here (central PA ) so this is experience typing.
AND
Yes, even the oldest order adherents around here realize the wisdom of the reflectors for themselves/families.
SO
Yes, the guys in question are cloaking themselves with the anatomical feature they're spending so much time in close proximity to.
Yes, they should_shutup.pay the fine.go home_and spend $10 for the triangle OR stay the hell off the roads at night.

/imho

62 posted on 09/15/2011 5:31:48 AM PDT by tomkat (McCarthy was right)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Great idea!!!


63 posted on 09/15/2011 5:35:00 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Smokin' Joe
"Would an orange triangle make that vehicle more visible? Really?"

It's like somebody said when they put flashing high intensity lights on top of school busses: "If you can't see that big yellow thing WITHOUT a light..."(and you know the rest).

64 posted on 09/15/2011 5:43:53 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Winstons Julia
No one wants to DISRESPECT the Amish or gas them... they just want the Amish to have safety signs when the vehicles are out at night

And the persecution and sterilization of the "genetically inferior" in Germany was also done "For their good."


BTW I don't think the Amish commonly take their buggies out at night.

65 posted on 09/15/2011 6:36:15 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Cowman

Why does everything get Godwined?

Now you are equating putting a reflective device on a buggy to persecution and sterilization in Germany?


66 posted on 09/15/2011 6:42:32 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Jonty30

The right thing to do would be to catch the idiot english drivers that terrorize the buggy drivers and try to spook the horses! I have seen it personally and it is NOT funny!


67 posted on 09/15/2011 7:53:52 AM PDT by wesley s
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To: wesley s

While I am sure that does happen, it is a distinct minority of cases.

However, virtually all of the black horse carriages are practically invisible after dusk.


68 posted on 09/15/2011 7:57:17 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Winstons Julia
putting a reflective device on a buggy to persecution and sterilization in Germany

Because allowing the government to exercise power in a small thing is likely to lead to their exercising that power in larger and larger things even if they are done, as they say, for the benefit of those regulated. The clear implication here is that these poor slobs need we the government to protect them because they are far too stupid to make the proper decisions. (Like not to drive a buggy on a busy road in the dark)

But you don't need to take my word for it

"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society. " -- John Adams, Novanglus Letters, 1774

They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"[G]overnment, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." -- Thomas Paine

• "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. "
-- James Madison, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention [June 16, 1788]

• "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. "
-- Judge Learned Hand

Or in other words, Once you allow a little liberty to be infringed you have allowed the disease that will kill all liberty to take hold.

69 posted on 09/15/2011 8:04:42 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: SF_Redux

Seeing them around corners would be fundamentally difficult.

It reminds me of turn of the century requirements placed on the then-new horseless carriages (primitive automobiles) such as that a person with a lantern had to accompany the vehicle to prevent it catching horse carriages by surprise and spooking the horses.


70 posted on 09/15/2011 10:00:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Winstons Julia

I think that should be spelled “Godwinned” (doubling the n). This prevents a misreading as though it were God-wined. (And dined?)


71 posted on 09/15/2011 10:03:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Not now, Not ever!

The story reads these 8 Amish men were jailed for not paying the fines.


72 posted on 09/15/2011 10:39:03 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
My bad. Their objections are to the brightly colored signs, a case they will lose. No one is requiring them to wear brightly colored signs, but to display them on their vehicles.

Interesting they were accommodated on their jump suits. Clearly the compelling state interest over road safety is the state's case, and not their clothing.

Better be careful. We don't want any radicalized Amish running loose.

Wonder why they didn't confiscate their buggies?

73 posted on 09/15/2011 10:43:38 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Cowman
Your supposed freedom on this issue infringes on my right to liberty to not hit you.

And driving is not a right, it is a privilege. It can be taken away from you, whereas a right cannot.

I can blow up 3,000 people and still have the right to claim to be Muslim, I will lose my privilege to drive if it can be shown I drove through a crowd of people with undo care and attention.

So yes, if you choose to drive, you are choosing to drive under the conditions that society has determined for you to ensure a reasonable amount of safety.

74 posted on 09/15/2011 5:06:49 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Winstons Julia
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2780880/posts

I think we had part of this discussion already...(see link)

75 posted on 09/20/2011 12:41:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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