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Cancer Victim’s Friends Come to Perry’s Defense
KTRK Television ^ | Sept. 14, 2011 | Ted Oberg

Posted on 09/15/2011 5:51:43 AM PDT by pkajj

Governor Perry has been criticized for his now-rescinded order mandating HPV vaccine for preteen girls. Here’s another side to the story that up until now has never been made public.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bachmann; cancer; captaingardasil; debate; fakeclaimsbyperry; gardasil; gardisil; nannystate; palin; perry; rinorick; snakeoilbyperry
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1 posted on 09/15/2011 5:51:45 AM PDT by pkajj
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To: pkajj

very touching story, sad tragedy for this young woman


2 posted on 09/15/2011 5:58:44 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: pkajj

Well well,seems he was motivated to save lives.

What do the Perry haters have to say NOW?


3 posted on 09/15/2011 6:01:26 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62
Well well,seems he was motivated to save lives.

Many government intrusions into personal liberty are "motivated to save lives".

4 posted on 09/15/2011 6:02:42 AM PDT by VRWCmember (If it wern't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: pkajj
WOW, that was very, very heavy duty. I hope the people who have been slamming him all over this site take the time to watch that. Especially the part about when she wad dying he went in to Houston, under the radar to sit with her in those last hours.

I sincerely hope Governor Palin watches that clip before she does damage to those who might take the vaccine and allows them to die when they don't have to.

5 posted on 09/15/2011 6:05:16 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Marty62
Marty for me this was always about Gardasil. I was on the 2007 threads. And Gardasil itself is very careful about what claims it makes. I posted info last night.

Post 104

6 posted on 09/15/2011 6:07:43 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: McGavin999

BTW, the reason I say Sarah is because I think she would legitimately care.


7 posted on 09/15/2011 6:08:46 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: VRWCmember

“Many government intrusions into personal liberty are “motivated to save lives”. “

such as attempts to restrict abortions, using the military to go after terrorists, putting troops on the border to prevent illegals from coming in, etc


8 posted on 09/15/2011 6:09:04 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: VRWCmember

Sorry won’t fly. But at least now like her Father said. Now maybe young women will see the value in this vaccine.

You should be proud that this little campaign against Perry put many womens lives in danger.

But, hey what’s a few lives when there is political brownie points to be made.


9 posted on 09/15/2011 6:09:18 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: McGavin999

You might consider to stop your lying for RINO Rick.

Gov. Palin made the vaccine available to those
who CHOSE it.

By contrast,
RINO Rick was the MANDATOR that DEMANDED, because
he and his wife knew better (paid by Merck),
all TAKE the untested drug (for 6th graders,
it was tested in promiscuous women).

This is kind act by Gov. Perry, but it is not relevant
to his MANDATING an untested drug selling the children
of Texas for $$$$$$$ and other campaign contributions.


10 posted on 09/15/2011 6:12:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Marty62; VRWCmember

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves. William Pitt


11 posted on 09/15/2011 6:13:10 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: VRWCmember

Sorry won’t fly. But at least now like her Father said. Now maybe young women will see the value in this vaccine.

You should be proud that this little campaign against Perry put many womens lives in danger.

But, hey what’s a few lives when there is political brownie points to be made.


12 posted on 09/15/2011 6:15:17 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: VRWCmember

Sorry won’t fly. But at least now like her Father said. Now maybe young women will see the value in this vaccine.

You should be proud that this little campaign against Perry put many womens lives in danger.

But, hey what’s a few lives when there is political brownie points to be made.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 6:15:19 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

“Sorry won’t fly. But at least now like her Father said. Now maybe young women will see the value in this vaccine.”

Unfortunately more people will hear Michele’s wingbat claims instead of this local news video.

I’m sorry. I don’t care how conservative she is on all these issues but there’s a special place in hell for those who play on the fears of others and put them at risk of cancer for political gain.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 6:16:22 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Marty62

Ya know, genius, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I bet you Communists would say they are just looking out for people too


15 posted on 09/15/2011 6:16:52 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Diogenesis
Dio, stop being so paranoid! I suggested Sarah would want to see that clip because BACHMANN did so much damage to those who might take the vaccine. There will be considerable fear as a result of her claiming it caused retardation. Sarah taking Bachmann's side in the issue would add to that fear and I think Sarah would really care about that. It's a good thing that I think Sarah would care about women, not a lie as you are suggesting.

Think before you post because by jumping at what I said you are saying that Sarah would not care about women dying of cancer as a result of Bachmann's scare tactics.

16 posted on 09/15/2011 6:18:21 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Diogenesis

Yup. Any teen who has premarital sex should die of cancer because her mom thought she was a perfect angel and couldn’t possibly do anything wrong.


17 posted on 09/15/2011 6:21:31 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: ari-freedom

Giving young children FALSE SECURITY by falsely
claiming Gardasil protects against cancer not
only encourages promiscuity in grade school
(now why is THAT so important to Perry?) but
is also quite ethically wrong.

Shame on Perry and his PerryBOTs for claiming the
children are now immune from cancer and the girls
no longer need cervical screening.


18 posted on 09/15/2011 6:23:09 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ari-freedom
CDC What are the signs, symptoms and potential health problems of HPV?

Most people with HPV do not develop symptoms or health problems from it. In 90% of cases, the body’s immune system clears HPV naturally within two years.

19 posted on 09/15/2011 6:23:59 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Frankly this issue is really tiresome. So in his zeal to save lives he made a mistake in PROCEEDURE. That’s what Legis. are suppose to do. If the Leg made it “mandatory”. Would you STILL be blaming Perry.

Get a grip.

You all get all worked up over this, but ObamaCare apparently is just fine.

This race is between Perry and Romney. Apparently you are working to get Romney as the Candidate. Romney Care.
BTW has Sarah said she will REPEAL O-Care?


20 posted on 09/15/2011 6:24:24 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Diogenesis
What do you gain by conveniently forgetting that there was an opt-out provision which would really not made it a mandate at all.

This issue has been beaten to death. Watch CNBC this am and see that first time applications for unemployment benefits rose again the past week, inflation pushed higher and a key manufacturing index weakened.

People are hurting and FR continues to beat the Gardisil issue to death. Gardisil is not going to be an issue in this election. We need jobs and we need someone to defeat Obama. We need to produce more energy.

21 posted on 09/15/2011 6:25:47 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: McGavin999

Sorry.

It is good Gov. Palin and Ms. Bachmann spoke up, even
if the latter’s ‘facts’ might have been misspoken, or
deliberately given to her just before the debate.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 6:26:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: yldstrk

Get a grip!


23 posted on 09/15/2011 6:26:46 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

The more important question is has Sarah said she is going to run? The Harold Camping wing of the Palin fan club predicted she would announce Sept. 16 or 17—that’s tomorrow or Sat.


24 posted on 09/15/2011 6:27:51 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: Diogenesis

There’s no such thing as 100% security. You give the best that modern medicine and science currently has to offer.

Encourages promiscuity? Bristol Palin didn’t get pregnant because of a vaccine mandate.


25 posted on 09/15/2011 6:30:00 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Diogenesis

The word “mandate” was there so the state would pay for it if parents needed help paying for it. There was also “opt out” for those who didn’t want it. I am sure you have been told this before, you just choose to ignore it.


26 posted on 09/15/2011 6:34:33 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: McGavin999

Sad. So because of a sad story we should give up our freedoms. No thanks. Freedom is not pretty. Big Government is a travesty. Perry at least admires big government. Free bennies for illegal aliens and mandatory vaccines. Not freedom friendly to me.


27 posted on 09/15/2011 6:34:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Frankly I don’t think she will run. To many issues in her closet she needs to explain. VP’s are really window dressing.

Pres is a whole other thing. Sarah, like Michelle do NOT have the executive experience to handle the job.

Look at the mess Zero has created. Even Bush exec experience wasn’t enough. He still made mistakes that he should have known better. Governors training ground lets them make mistakes and correct them that don’t throw the whole country into a tailspin.


28 posted on 09/15/2011 6:35:11 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

No YOU get a grip Marty. I said NOTHING about Perry. My info is about Gardasil. It is NOT a cancer prevention drug.


29 posted on 09/15/2011 6:36:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Diogenesis
That's OK Dio, I've known you for a long time and know that you couldn't mean what it looked like.

I've lost too many friends to cancer. I didn't like what Perry did with the mandate, but there is no way I would attribute that to money under the table and if you look at the video you would know why. It's heart breaking. We all want cures to cancer, and we all want there to be something that would keep these young women from withering away in pain, watching a young life ended too soon if there was something, anything we could do.

A lot of young women who took the vaccine are now terrified they will end up retarded and a lot of young women who might have decided to take the vaccine will not out of fear of the over the line hysteria at that debate the other night. I KNOW that Sarah will not want to be a part of that, and it's horrible that someone didn't give her the facts before she went on Greta.

I haven't chosen a candidate. I never do this early in the game. I'm tired of being attacked by all sides when I'm just trying to figure out who to vote for. SIGH.

30 posted on 09/15/2011 6:36:26 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999; Diogenesis

I see several people on this thread are trying to do the impossible and actually reason with Diogenesis.

This person’s posts on the Perry threads are beginning to read like the unibomber manifesto - except his grammar and capitalization is far worse than Kazinski’s.

How can you reason with THAT?


31 posted on 09/15/2011 6:39:55 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: pkajj
I am not a Perry hater... but I'm also not his biggest fan. I reserve judgement over the field of candidates... and look forward to later entries. That being said, my concern over the Gardisil issue has little to do with the drug itself and more to do with the attitude of the executive who governs "for our own good."

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

-- C. S. Lewis, The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment, 1930

“We must confine ourselves to the powers described in the Constitution, and the moment we pass it, we take an arbitrary stride towards a despotic Government.”

— James Jackson, First Congress, 1st Annals of Congress, 489

32 posted on 09/15/2011 6:40:48 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: AAABEST

“This person’s posts on the Perry threads are beginning to read like the unibomber manifesto - except his grammar and capitalization is far worse than Kazinski’s.”

another crazy Luddite...


33 posted on 09/15/2011 6:41:26 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Are you the one with the Perry ping list?


34 posted on 09/15/2011 6:42:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Marty62
You should be proud that this little campaign against Perry put many womens lives in danger.

No, the debasing of the culture to the point that young girls have been inundated from every direction that it is cool to hop in and out of the sack with every walking penis that comes along has led to the situation that HPV is so prevalent. Gardasil's advertising campaign that implies the vaccine is a protection against Cervical Cancer -- It is NOT; it is a vaccine against SOME of the forms of HPV that cause about 70% of the cases of cervical cancer -- is a dishonest campaign that might help some women and might also encourage further risky behavior and a lack of proper health screening regimens for other women who THINK they are protected by the vaccine.

A decision of whether or not to take this vaccination, and whether or not to engage in the behaviors that increase one's risk of contracting HPV, should be made by an individual woman (or girl) based on her consultation with a trusted physician (and parents); the decision should NOT be mandated by government.

35 posted on 09/15/2011 6:42:26 AM PDT by VRWCmember (If it wern't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: McGavin999
Palin supports Gardasil vaccinations and made them free to every girl in Alaska when she was the gov.

That's why what she did to Perry was such a cheap shot.

36 posted on 09/15/2011 6:44:15 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Marty62
So in his zeal to save lives he made a mistake in PROCEEDURE. That’s what Legis. are suppose to do. If the Leg made it “mandatory”. Would you STILL be blaming Perry.

No. The issue can't be reversed that way. Since he was overruled by the legislature for his dictatorial tactic, the proper reversal would have him vetoing the legislation. As it is, he took it upon himself as Chief Executive of the state to issue a decree from on high for all citizens to follow at his command. That speaks volumes on his character and fitness for leadership.

37 posted on 09/15/2011 6:45:30 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: AAABEST

Spot on! You can’t reason with some, especially those who simply spam every thread with the same tired posts over and over and over again.


38 posted on 09/15/2011 6:45:41 AM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The Harold Camping wing of the Palin fan club predicted she would announce Sept. 16 or 17—that’s tomorrow or Sat.

LOL. Good one.

39 posted on 09/15/2011 6:45:53 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: pgyanke

We’re not going to abolish the CDC. We’re not going to allow in Chinese toothpaste with anti-freeze and hope the free market will figure out how to deal with it. When it comes to health and safety, we do need the government to step in sometimes. When it comes to other matters, the government should step aside and leave everyone alone.


40 posted on 09/15/2011 6:47:48 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: McGavin999
My worry is women, or girls, will get the "vaccine" and then NOT get regular pap smears. Because they will think they are "protected". It is pap smears that brought down the rate of cervical cancer.

CDC Cervical Cancer Statistics

Cervical cancer used to be the leading cause of cancer death for women in the United States. However, in the past 40 years, the number of cases of cervical cancer and the number of deaths from cervical cancer have decreased significantly. This decline largely is the result of many women getting regular Pap tests, which can find cervical precancer before it turns into cancer

Cervical Cancer Screening

Cervical cancer is the easiest female cancer to prevent, with regular screening tests and follow-up.

41 posted on 09/15/2011 6:48:27 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Tribune7; shield; pkajj; All

shield has the *ping*

This is good too!

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/sat/2011/09/14/a-shot-of-reality-about-young-womens-health/


42 posted on 09/15/2011 6:48:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pgyanke; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Condor51; stephenjohnbanker; South40; rintense
....my concern over the Gardisil issue has little to do with the drug itself and more to do with the attitude of the executive who governs "for our own good"........

Thanks for the meaningful quotes WRT the US Constitution.

IMHO, the most important overview of the US Constitution is that it is designed to LIMIT the actions of government.

That's why a freelancing showboater like Perry cannot ever be allowed anywhere near the levers of federal power.

He is totally ignorant as to the responsibilities of an elected official to the citizenry.

43 posted on 09/15/2011 6:49:46 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
... conveniently forgetting that there was an opt-out provision which would really not made it a mandate at all.

So if you can get government permission to "opt out" of something that the government should have no authority to direct you to do in the first place, the mandate isn't really a mandate? It is ok that you have to jump through hoops, fill out "opt out" forms, then get your special opt out permission for the child to attend school. How about this concept instead: Allow people to decide for themselves without any pressure from the government whether or not they think this vaccination is worthwhile.

44 posted on 09/15/2011 6:50:12 AM PDT by VRWCmember (If it wern't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: pgyanke
No. The issue can't be reversed that way. Since he was overruled by the legislature for his dictatorial tactic, the proper reversal would have him vetoing the legislation. As it is, he took it upon himself as Chief Executive of the state to issue a decree from on high for all citizens to follow at his command. That speaks volumes on his character and fitness for leadership.

He did NOT veto it, and it never went into effect. Please review the facts before you post lies. He was wrong to do it the way he did, he's said he was wrong, no vaccines were given.

45 posted on 09/15/2011 6:51:21 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: shield

Could you please add me to the Perry ping list?


46 posted on 09/15/2011 6:51:59 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: VRWCmember

This about medicine. Don’t withhold vaccines as part of some misguided secular abstinence program. Abstinence is about morality, not the fear of getting sick.


47 posted on 09/15/2011 6:54:22 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: VRWCmember
As to the opt out, I found out last night that not all private schools accept them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2736814/posts

48 posted on 09/15/2011 6:54:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Tribune7
Palin supports Gardasil vaccinations and made them free to every girl in Alaska when she was the gov.

That's why what she did to Perry was such a cheap shot.

You do understand the difference between making something freely available to everyone and mandating that everyone take it, don't you?

49 posted on 09/15/2011 6:55:42 AM PDT by VRWCmember (If it wern't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
They DO need regular pap smears, no doubt about that, and it needs to be stressed through education on the issue.

What so many miss, when they talk about the women being "loose" is that a perfectly virtuous woman can be infected by her husband who had sex many years before their marriage with someone who was infected. It has nothing to do with virture, or abstenance, it has to do with a vile disease that destroys life.

You can always tell the people who have never been touched by cancer, they have no clue just how vicious it is. They think it's bad, but they can not concieve how bad.

50 posted on 09/15/2011 6:56:08 AM PDT by McGavin999
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