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Japan to Build New Helicopter Carrier
The Chosun Ilbo, South Korea ^ | Sep. 15, 2011

Posted on 09/15/2011 6:21:16 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Japan to Build New Helicopter Carrier

Japan plans to build a 19,500-ton aircraft carrier capable of housing helicopters after China launched its first own aircraft carrier, Chinese media reported on Wednesday. Japan already has two helicopter carriers -- the Hyuga deployed in March 2009 and the Ise deployed in March 2011 -- but the planned new vessel will be bigger.

The 22DDH is scheduled for deployment in 2015. It will be 248 m long and cost around US$1.04 billion. It is 30 percent bigger than the Ise and can carry 14 helicopters. The Ise measures 197 m, has a displacement of 13,500 tons and can carry 11 helicopters.

Although dwarfed by China's aircraft carrier, which is 320 m long and can carry 50 fighter jets, the Japanese vessel will be equipped with the latest U.S. weapons systems to maximize its capability. It will be equipped with the Raytheon air and missile defense system, which has so far only been installed on U.S. vessels, and 11 missile launchers.

Japan had several aircraft carriers during World War II, but since its defeat it has focused on developing helicopter carriers, which are deemed purely defensive. It appears to be bolstering defenses to counter China's increasing submarine warfare capabilities. The new carrier will house mainly helicopters designed for anti-submarine warfare operations.

There are increasing calls within Japan to modify the 22DDH for fighter jets. But critics say it would be unrealistic to build such an aircraft carrier since its navy has only 45,000 personnel, and the already indebted government would run deeper into debt.

Chinese media speculated that Japan could buy Lookheed Martin F-35B stealth fighters capable of vertical takeoff and landing and base them on the new carrier.

Japan is also speeding up the development of stealth fighters and drones. Since 2009, it has invested 39 billion yen (around W562.2 billion) on development of an indigenous stealth fighter codenamed ATD-X. A prototype is expected to be unveiled in 2014, and development is to be complete in 2016.

Japan's Defense Ministry is also spending 15 billion yen this year on developing drones and robots. One unmanned helicopter has already been deployed with the Self-Defense Forces, while four prototype drones have been developed.

englishnews@chosun.com / Sep. 15, 2011 13:57 KST


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; china; japan; jmsdf; navair

22DDH. Art via Defpro.

1 posted on 09/15/2011 6:21:20 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 6:25:28 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

jap ships look “real”.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 6:27:28 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Other than the fact that the JDF is a defense force, there’s not much that I can see stopping this ship from using a VTOL aircraft like the Harrier. Wasn’t there a VTOL version of the F-35?


4 posted on 09/15/2011 6:37:50 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: central_va
The smaller one in the foreground probably is real. Look at the sea surface in front of the bow, and you can see where it was "pasted" into the graphic of the larger, proposed ship...

Sloppy "Photoshopping"...

5 posted on 09/15/2011 6:46:06 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Avalon Hussar
smaller stealthy carriers with VTOL aircraft may be the best strategy of the future, a large aircraft carrier is a huge target....
6 posted on 09/15/2011 6:46:44 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Helicopter destroyers” my arse. Since China has embarked on an aggressive program to develop a blue water navy Japan needs to drop the pretense and embrace their naval traditions.


7 posted on 09/15/2011 6:51:00 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Avalon Hussar; sukhoi-30mki
Other sources indicate, that, in between the helos and the F-35 V/STOL, the Japanese are planning on equipping these vessels with Ospreys...
8 posted on 09/15/2011 6:52:14 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: magslinger

Nippon Helio carrier build


9 posted on 09/15/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: skeeter

Japan needs to drop the pretense and embrace their naval traditions.

Time to connect to the CAT and launch Tora,tora,tora


10 posted on 09/15/2011 7:00:36 AM PDT by STD (Cut Taxes, Cut Spending Stupid!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I've been watching this program for a while, glad to see it getting the green light. Japan needs this ship.

I hope they name it Akagi.

11 posted on 09/15/2011 7:05:42 AM PDT by jboot
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To: STD

I doubt the Japanese will quietly accept becoming China’s Bee-otch.


12 posted on 09/15/2011 7:06:03 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

>>> Japan to Build New Helicopter Carrier

I particularly like how Japanese carriers can turn into giant Samurai fighting robots. I wish ours could do that.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 7:09:19 AM PDT by tlb
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To: magslinger

ping


14 posted on 09/15/2011 7:30:07 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Jeff Head

CV ping


15 posted on 09/15/2011 7:44:59 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Porkistan delenda est)
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To: TXnMA

Ospreys? Do these things carry Marines too? I thought it was just a Helo carrier.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 7:50:04 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: TXnMA

17 posted on 09/15/2011 7:51:58 AM PDT by usmcobra
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To: FreedomProtector
smaller stealthy carriers with VTOL aircraft may be the best strategy of the future, a large aircraft carrier is a huge target....

I agree that small and stealthy are a good idea for a defense force, but remember that these things aren't really small. This new ship is almost exactly the same size of the Yorktown class fleet carriers we used in World War II and they're not much smaller than the Essex class that replaced the Yorktowns. I realize that the Nimitz class would dwarf this little ship, but that's a super carrier and I think the US is the only nation in the world capable of building them.

18 posted on 09/15/2011 7:54:51 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: Avalon Hussar

The Koreans (Hyundai heavy industries) could build a diesel powered super carrier in 2 years.


19 posted on 09/15/2011 8:00:20 AM PDT by usmcobra
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To: Avalon Hussar

The F-35B is the ASTOVL version. It should be ideal for this ship provided our current administration doesn’t cancel that portion of the program.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 8:22:53 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: usmcobra

Two years? Do you mean that they could begin construction in two years or launch it in two years from laying it’s keel? If you mean launch it, I really have to wonder about that statement as it takes us on average around four years to build one and we’ve been building them since the Forrestal was launched back in the early 50’s. The Koreans have never built a carrier, much less a supercarrier so I don’t know about that two year time frame.


21 posted on 09/15/2011 8:38:00 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: paddles

If cancelling it would hurt the military, then look for Obama to cancel it.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 8:40:41 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: Avalon Hussar
Yes I do believe it would take them two years or even less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKF6dXiL-9c&feature=related

23 posted on 09/15/2011 9:27:53 AM PDT by usmcobra
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; investigateworld; lowbuck; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

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24 posted on 09/15/2011 1:40:23 PM PDT by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; skeeter

Enterprise is due to be retired soon. Why not give it to Japan...I’d be a superb platform, could pack a real punch, and Japan has ships that are compatible with a carriere task force. We could probably train Japanese crews in 6 months. I know that Enterprise is near the end of her useful life, but in the Japanese Navy, she wouldn’t have long extended deployments, and would be close to Japan for any repairs as needed..


25 posted on 09/15/2011 5:56:57 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: ken5050

Makes sense to me, but I doubt the Japanese government could sell a nuke carrier to their public, especially after the Fukushima #1 situation.


26 posted on 09/15/2011 6:01:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

We’ve homeported a CVN in Japan for years, IIRC..


27 posted on 09/15/2011 7:11:47 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: ken5050

As this article mentions the JMSDF has a strength of about 45K personnel. You would need approximately 5,000 men on a carrier like the Nimitz. Barring the US and probably China, no nation can afford such deployment of men without comprising other requirements. A ship the size of Britain’s proposed CVF class or France Charles De Gaulle would be better.


28 posted on 09/15/2011 8:37:25 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ken5050

I know we’ve had a conventioannly powered carrier there, at least until 2008. Do we have a nuke in Yokusuka now?


29 posted on 09/16/2011 6:37:13 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Fully bowing to your expertise and knowledge...but I always understood that of the 5000 on a carrier..about 2000 were in the air wing..

So the crew requirements are 3000..and to deploy on board however many copters they choose, according to the threat..well thats thus transferrng existing assets...

It wouldn't be easy, but if any naval power could do it, the Japanese could..they could have the platform up and running in a few months..jointly crewed as the US sailor train Japanese on the job...and it would get the Chicoms attention..

30 posted on 09/16/2011 10:10:59 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: ken5050

3,000 is still about 10 times as much as personnel as they deploy off their current Hyuga class baby-carriers. A navy needs to transition carefully before deploying so many men; which is why the Chinese appear to have taken so long to get the Varyag running.


31 posted on 09/16/2011 10:48:21 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: usmcobra; Avalon Hussar
usmcobra: "The Koreans (Hyundai heavy industries) could build a diesel powered super carrier in 2 years."

This is a key point which most Americans overlook.
We think everything is all about us, the US, versus in this case, China.

Well, it's not.
China has many other neighbors, all of whom will be vitally interested in China's growing military strength.
If they all work together, China could easily find that every military move it makes is soon matched not only by US counter-responses, but also responses from countries like Japan, Korea, India, Australia, Taiwan and others.

So, in what sense are China's long-term interests served by driving an arms race amongst countries throughout Asia?

32 posted on 09/16/2011 2:45:19 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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