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The GOP's Genius Plan to Beat Obama in 2012
Mother Jones, via Hot Air ^ | 14 Sep 2011 | Nick Baumann

Posted on 09/15/2011 7:15:39 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

One thing to keep in mind is each state has 2 EV’s based on the popular vote of the state as well as a breakdown by CD.


51 posted on 09/15/2011 9:05:47 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: 5thGenTexan
The GOP are genius to them in this case because they are advocating a liberal idea. Proportioning the Electoral votes for a state is a step towards pure populist vote - something they have been pining for since 2000.

There is no way in he** that splitting the electoral votes by district amounts to a popular vote. States like CA with most of the NE counties and districts being Red would take the advantage of the population centers away from the rats. This is a good idea. In fact I would go one step further and mandate that the state has to have an electoral college for state elections and go by the same district by district method.

This method is simply an extension of the electoral college idea, but it breaks it down to the local level and is more fair than the winner take all method we use now which gives the states with heavy rat population centers the advantage and takes the vote away from millions of people.

52 posted on 09/15/2011 9:07:36 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Publius; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The only race in the modern era that would have changed had the Maine/Nebraska Formula been implemented nationwide was 1960. Nixon would have beaten Kennedy.

The election where even the lamestream media admitted a lot of voters got out of their graves to go to the polls.

53 posted on 09/15/2011 9:07:46 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: rottndog
California is trying to do this...which would in fact be a huge benefit to the GOP.
I don't think this is at all like the California plan. They want to give all the EVs to whoever wins the popular vote statewide. This plan gives out the EVs on a district-by-district basis.

It seems to be helpful for our side, but I note that almost every time someone "fiddles" with the election process to cure a perceived problem, it almost turns around and bites 'em in the butt during the next election.

54 posted on 09/15/2011 9:13:28 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: wmfights; Anitius Severinus Boethius

Yes, I factored that into my calcs.


55 posted on 09/15/2011 9:14:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The more I'm thinking about this idea the more I like it.
56 posted on 09/15/2011 9:19:40 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Don’t need no Stinkin’ GOP plan.

‘The Obama Legacy’

Let the political games begin. Many Democrats, both voters and elected officials, are beginning to wish they had never heard of one Barack Hussein Obama. What appeared initially to be “The One” has morphed into “The None.”

Behind the scenes, Democrats will be working furiously to get rid of this impostor.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/the_obama_legacy.html


57 posted on 09/15/2011 9:39:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

WOW !!!! I thought his record alone should do the trick .


58 posted on 09/15/2011 10:10:01 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

It shows a lack of a long view. Fix things to our advantage for right now. Tomorrow is a myth. When the Security laws were coming up I thought, yeah, they are needed for now but what will a Democrat president do with them?


59 posted on 09/15/2011 11:22:02 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Bronurstomp

And it would further the diminution of the States as politically distinct entities and tend to make them more like Provinces.


60 posted on 09/15/2011 11:30:17 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Bronurstomp

And it would further the diminution of the States as politically distinct entities and tend to make them more like Provinces.


61 posted on 09/15/2011 11:30:33 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: rottndog
this would eliminate the practice of dem precincts monitoring returns and ‘finding’ enough votes to sway an election.

I think it would more likely maximize that activity in all districts where it is possible.

62 posted on 09/15/2011 11:35:15 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus
Yes but our current system allows for rampant voter fraud in urban areas and allows more of a mob rule than an apportion type strategy. I don't think “Well I don't know but I am sure the Democrats will find a way to use this against us” is a valid counterpoint and the legislators in my state agree. The larger states with urban areas should adopt this strategy, it's actually more in line with what the founders had envisioned than a winner take all deal. Rural counties votes count as much as the urban area. Candidates would have to appeal to ALL Americans not just to urban interests like mass transit, large public works projects, etc. It is a superior idea whose time has come.
63 posted on 09/15/2011 12:08:18 PM PDT by Bronurstomp (nytflyr: #attackwatch I know where Anne Frank is hiding)
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To: Vigilanteman
Maybe you ought to look at the Congressional Districts in Maine and Nebraska where the system is actually used before making such a statement.

Choosing states with just two representatives each (and not a huge political divide between urban and rural areas) isn't really a good counterargument.

Yes, let's indeed focus on the states that already have a history of Gerrymandering for the purposes of congressional representation. The political maneuvering that led to the Gerrymandering in the first place would kick into overdrive when the presidency is at stake.

If the party in power in a state decides that bizarrely-drawn districts will make the difference in a presidential election, what do you think will happen?

64 posted on 09/15/2011 12:37:12 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: Vigilanteman
Choosing states with just two representatives each

Oops, I just noticed that Nebraska has 3 districts -- but my point still stands: I'm willing to bet that Nebraska is politically homogeneous enough outside of Omaha that there's no point in trying to Gerrymander the districts.

65 posted on 09/15/2011 12:40:08 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I will concede that is is likely that the Maine and Nebraska plan as applied to larger states, will probably not produce the neat congressional boundries which I've already demonstrated exist there. But it is a false argument for two reasons:

  1. States dominated by the Democrat party won't do it anyway because fairness is an alien concept unless it helps them. This won't.

  2. Rampant Gerrymandering already exists, as demonstrated by four random examples:

    Illinois 17th Congressional District Florida 22nd Congressional District New York 22nd Congressional District New York 12th Congressional District

    IOW, it really can't get much worse. If Gerrymandering is a concern, it can be addressed by legislation such as Iowa enacted to draw boundries by an independent commission separated from the political process and mandated to respect county and municipal boundries. This was the result:

    Iowa Congressional Districts 2003-2012 Iowa Congressional Districts 2013-2022
    Current configuration on the left, redistrticted configuration (starting next election cycle) on the right.


66 posted on 09/15/2011 1:57:17 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: stormhill

The election night we only get information about who won the most EVs. Upon knowing which candidate is the ‘winner’, the rest of the EVs are allocated to him/her. Granted, this only works with odd number of EVs.


67 posted on 09/15/2011 2:47:20 PM PDT by paudio (The 0bama Downgrade Part Two (a possible sequel to the current horror movie))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

At this point, I think the only ‘genius’ plan needed by the GOP is, um, run somebody.


68 posted on 09/15/2011 2:52:16 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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