Skip to comments.Neanderthals ate shellfish 150,000 years ago: study
Posted on 09/15/2011 7:42:53 AM PDT by Red Badger
Neanderthal cavemen supped on shellfish on the Costa del Sol 150,000 years ago, punching a hole in the theory that modern humans alone ate brain-boosting seafood so long ago, a new study shows.
The discovery in a cave near Torremolinos in southern Spain was about 100,000 years older than the previous earliest evidence of Neanderthals consuming seafood, scientists said.
Researchers unearthed the evidence when examining stone tools and the remains of shells in the Bajondillo Cave, they said in a study published online in the Public Library of Science.
There, they discovered many charred shellfish -- mostly mussel shells -- left by Neanderthals. They were able to date the shells by radiocarbon testing to about 150,000 years ago.
That is "almost contemporaneous" to the earliest evidence of modern humans eating shellfish at Pinnacle Point in South Africa 164,000 years ago, said the study led by the University of Seville's Miguel Cortes Sanchez.
"This discovery makes the Bajondillo Cave the oldest record of this activity among Neanderthals, as the earliest evidence until now did not go back further than 50,000 years," said Francisco Jimenez Espejo, researcher at the Spanish National Research Council (CSIC), which was part of the study.
"Many researchers argue that eating shellfish is one of the behaviours that define modern humans and to a certain extent an adaptive advantage that allowed homo sapiens to expand," Espejo said.
"But this investigation shows that at the same time as homo sapiens in southern Africa, homo neanderthalensis in the southern Iberian peninsula used the same resources."
The study was released Wednesday and is available online at: http://www.plosone
Didn't say whether they had mango salsa or not.......
Hunter gatherers would have eaten anything that didn’t eat them first. It don’t get much easier than shellfish.
And Neanderthals still do. I was there a number of years back and the Spaniards still ate them.
Consumer Advisory Warning: eating raw or undercooked beef, eggs, poultry, pork, or shellfish may increase your risk for foodbourne illness
Everybody SING now!
the fossils date the rocks
and the rocks date the fossils
and the fossils date the rocks, again!"
To tell the truth, most scientists working on this type of cra* are nothing but scam artists looking for grant money. They can take all their degrees and put it in a little “cave”.
So it was a red tide that contaminated the shell fish and wiped out the Neanderthals. The red tide was obviously from human pollution so there you go.
What is so surprising about this? Why would anyone suppose that Neanderthals would not eat shellfish? Hunting and gathering people will eat just about anything they can find, and mussels are very tasty, and full of good nutrients. They are also easy to prepare.
Directions for preparing mussels (from an old Neanderthal recipe):
1. Find mussels, Bring them back to cave or hut.
2. Have wife built fire.
3. Throw mussels around edges of fire.
4. When mussel shells open up, mussels are cooked enough. Retrieve them, and when they are cool enough, eat them.
But they didn’t know about months with an ‘R’ in them because months hadn’t been invented yet!...............
Boy, those eyes are piercingly evil-looking.
They also used Uranium and Thorium dating.......
And Speleothem Dating
What is ‘fire’?.................
I guess this part is wrong then.
They must have really like them to walk thousands of miles to get them.
Partially. Journalists don’t take science classes..........
Wow, big creatures ate little creatures!!!
More of my tax dollars down the drain.
In other news:
Man was thought to have walked upright 150,000 years ago.
My question is, “Where’s the beer bottles?”................
Beer Bottles? They were recycled of course.
I can live in harmony with nature and myself with beer...........
You should have seen the ex-wife’s family at a crab feed. I counted my fingers after dinner to make sure they were all there.
Then they converted to Judaism and starved to death.
And now you know...the rest of the story.
The Neanderthals are alive and well, it seems.........
A brave man it was who first an oyster et
Politicarts don't take economics either.
And if the crab wasn’t bad enough, you should have seen them with mashed potatoes. They had to have a huge pot of mashed potatoes, with gravy, every evening. It always reminded me of one of those Jack London books where a wolf gets shot and the other starving wolves devour it. I made the mistake one evening of asking “Please pass the mashed potatoes?” I tell you, if looks could kill...I’d have been dead 30 or 40 times. I think the youngest brother was sizing me up to figure out how much gravy they could make out of me.
Remember, you’re not reading what a scientist wrote, you’re reading what a journalist thought a scientist said.
I remember from my 5th grade social studies class that the Indians in the east relocated to the Atlantic coast for the winter as the snow shut down the interior woodlands to hunting. Archeologists know this from the enormous middens (representing centuries of use) found along creeks and streams a mile or so from the open ocean.
I wonder if that's the case with the Neanderthals.
Remember, youre not reading what a scientist wrote, youre reading what a journalist thought a scientist said.
Journalist bias? That would never happen./s
I like to make fun of global warming and evolution also.
Duh, shell fish are easy to catch...
It's not bias, per se, it's mostly ignorance.
The Scars of Evolution:"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
What Our Bodies Tell Us
About Human Origins
by Elaine Morgan
the underlying paper:
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Thanks decimon. If they'd eaten Chinese 150,000 years ago, they'd have been hungry again 149,999.999 years ago.To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.The Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
The first Neanderthal to eat a raw oyster must have been very brave, starving or horny.
S Africa, shell jewelry 75K ago:
blam’s post, Homo Florienensis made shell necklaces 82K ago:
rejoinder, shell jewelry in N Africa, 82K ago:
Apparently they hadn’t got the memo, Israel 90K to 100K ago:
Oops, make that 100K to 135K ago
If he wasn’t horny before, he would have been after.
Not scallops, real ones, that is...........
Well that settles it.
Neaderthals were not Jewish.
You left out the garlic and white wine reduction sauce. :-))
Rocks are dated using:
Fossils are dated:
Of course, some of these methods are "derivative" of others, and each has associated difficulties.
But the "gold standard" is radiometric dating, and when several different materials agree, then that's as good as it gets.
which doesn't happen as often as you imply.
What happens is that 3-4 methods are used, the results are wildly different, and so the person tests it asks "what fossils do you see in the layers above and below this sample?", and the "indexing fossils" are used to determine which of the radiometric tests to use.
You meant to say: What has been reported, on occasion, is that..."
Sure, no method is fool-proof, all are subject to errors depending on circumstances.
When several methods -- including indexing fossils -- can be used to produce similar results, then the data is more reliable.
This is especially true when the ages of those "indexing fossils" were confirmed by several different radio-metric methods.
But those who use all this to argue that therefore the Earth is only 6,000 years old, are in no sense being scientific.
“But those who use all this to argue that therefore the Earth is only 6,000 years old, are ...”
...being silly. God is not bound by time. Whatever methods he used to bring all this about could take as much or as little time as He pleased.
After you get past the fact that God created the heavens and the Earth, all that is seen and unseen, what does it matter whether He did it in the twinkling of an eye or billions of years?
When you say that God created Adam from dirt, are you really excluding the possibility that He used a method that is in complete congruence with what science has discovered about the origins of the universe and our planet?
I’ve been toying with a spectulation—and that’s all it is, just idle speculation—that when God breathed life into Adam, that is, when He ensouled humanity, it might have been just after the big die-off after Toba.
Maybe the dieback served to eliminate some genes He didn’t want in homo sap.
Again, just idle speculation for the purpose of amusing myself.