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Erdogan: No Free Movement for Israel in E. Mediterranean
Arutz Sheva ^ | 9/15/11 | Chana Ya'ar

Posted on 09/15/2011 10:34:31 AM PDT by Nachum

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Tunisians on Thursday his country could have frigates and assault vessels in the eastern Mediterranean ''at any time'' to ensure freedom of movement. Israel's security cabinet has made a firm decision, however, not to respond to Erdogan's verbal attacks, in an attempt to avoid further inflaming the delicate diplomatic situation with Turkey. (snip) ''Israel will not be able to move in the eastern Mediterranean as it wishes,'' Erdogan said at a joint news conference with his counterpart, Interim Prime Minister Beji Caid el Sebsi. ''It will see our determination in this regard.''

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: erdogan; israel; mediterranean; movement
It would be a shame if one or two of those nice Turkish Navy boats happened to sink.
1 posted on 09/15/2011 10:34:35 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Erdogan is such a damned fool. Just read that Greece is becoming closer to Israel now. Serves the Turks right!


2 posted on 09/15/2011 10:36:48 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Nachum

Man made reefs are so good for marine life. Does the Eastern Med need any?


3 posted on 09/15/2011 10:39:03 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Nachum

Erdogan may be trying to maneuver Israel into a war with NATO. Recent experience would have me putting my money on Israel in that confrontation.


4 posted on 09/15/2011 10:40:01 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Nachum
Turkey sells a lot of food and other products in the USA.

Boycotting Turkish products in favor of Greek
substitutes seems quite reasonable based upon such talk.

Ἑλληνιστὶ πρὸς τοὺς παρόντας ἐκβοήσας, «Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος», διεβίβαζε τὸν στρατόν.
– Plutarch, Life of Pompey, 60.2.9[1]

5 posted on 09/15/2011 10:41:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: juliej

You forget that greeks don’t pay their bills and jews like to get payed.


6 posted on 09/15/2011 10:41:41 AM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: Nachum

I would to read of a Israeli smackdown of this Turkish bully! Dare the Turks to back up their spineless yaps!


7 posted on 09/15/2011 10:42:12 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Nachum

I agree. Israel will not be able to move around the Eastern Med. as it wishes. It will have to spend alot of time steering around desroyed Turkish Navy ships.


8 posted on 09/15/2011 10:43:15 AM PDT by CarWashMan
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To: Nachum
That almost seems like a declaration of war -- Israel no longer has freedom of the seas.

Turkey is foolish. Israel is trying to hold back and not get sucked into a problem, but in other times I think a nation like Israel would just go out and sink a few Turkish vessels just to make a point.

9 posted on 09/15/2011 10:43:32 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Nachum
One possibility is that Erdrogan is interested in setting up a situation where the Israeli Naval Forces will be provoked by engaging in near collisions kr refusing to abide by general rules of navigation. The goal is a shooting incident. After which Turkey will invoke the NATO ‘an attack on one is an attack on all’ doctrine. The goal is to make trouble and try and get some sort of NATO sanction on Israel. Since Erdogan is anti Turk military getting a frigate sunk would be no big thing and a ‘great victory’ if it got Israel sanctioned.
10 posted on 09/15/2011 10:45:15 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Nachum

Turkey must have got some new rowers for their galleys.


11 posted on 09/15/2011 10:45:41 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Nachum

If we had the right man in the White House, somebody would be on the horn to this bastard to tell him to stop the incendiary rhetoric and he better not touch a single Islraeli ship or face immediate and serious retaliation.

My guess is the Pigs in Saudi Arabia are encouraging this.


12 posted on 09/15/2011 10:46:27 AM PDT by ZULU (ANYBODY but Obama)
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To: Nachum

Hey turks, play around, lay around.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 10:47:19 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Nachum
Turkey is a member of NATO.

Could this be our next war... with the USA on the side of it's NATO partner and against Israeli "aggression" in the eastern Med if the shooting starts and Turkey claims it is attacked?

14 posted on 09/15/2011 10:48:32 AM PDT by Gritty (The European Union is already walking dead, but the Eurabian Union might be a runner-Mark Steyn)
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To: Nachum

I have no insight on Turkish politics but I suspect that Obama’s public distancing of the U.S. (well, his administration, anyway) from Israel is emboldening Turkish P.M. Erdogan to risk foolish provocations against Israel. Erdogan also knows full well that any attack on a Turkish ship by Israel, no matter how egregious the provocation, would be met with severe condemnation from the Obama administration and the risk of a coordinated attack on Israel from it’s neighbors, who need little excuse to kill Jews. Whatever Erdogans motivation, this will not end well for anyone involved, especially the Turks.


15 posted on 09/15/2011 10:52:43 AM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Nachum

It should be the USA threatening Turkey on this score. The leftists, by tying our hands in Afghanistan and Iraq, now made us look weak, so the Islamic faction in Turkey stood up very quickly and killed Atatürk’s legacy of Turkey being the first country in Asia Minor to recognize the State of Israel.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 10:53:27 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Nachum

The Turkish Navy is considerably larger than the Israeli Navy and comparable from a technological point of view. The Israelis have other areas they need to cover, too. The only edge the Israelis have is in the air.
This could get bad.


17 posted on 09/15/2011 10:56:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Nachum
Every day there's another belligerent, obnoxious statement out of the Turkish PM’s mouth.

And not one out of Prince Barry's or anyone from the State Dept.

Their silence speaks volumes.

18 posted on 09/15/2011 10:59:54 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Little Ray

i agree ray.

turkey is a serious military power. they are not syria or even egypt. bad news if israel ends up tangling with them, especially if its part of a move by PLO, syria, Egypt all at the same time.


19 posted on 09/15/2011 11:00:18 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Nachum

All of the GOP presidential candidates need to come out in unison and warn Turkey to back off with their inflammatory rhetoric.

And Israel needs to have cameras onboard every ship to record any hostile Turkish activity. Let the sunshine in and expose these devils.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 11:01:13 AM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Nachum

With a real president in the WH, the Sixth Fleet would be ordered to bust up such Turkish nonsense the minute it might start. Can’t be confident of what might happen now.


21 posted on 09/15/2011 11:06:34 AM PDT by Will88
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To: demkicker

AS SOON AS Turner takes his seat in Congress, HE should introduce a resolution censuring Turkey for its threats and WARNING them. THAT will draw a STARK contract between Republicans and the Masquerading Marxist Muslim in the Oval Office and his party.

It would force a split in the Dems.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 11:09:50 AM PDT by ZULU (ANYBODY but Obama)
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To: Nachum

For those wanting to see the limits in the seas in the Eastern Mediterranean, contact the Office of the Geographer, Deparment of State, Wash DC


23 posted on 09/15/2011 11:12:55 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Nachum

This is the same Turkey that had us “go around” to get into Iraq? They can shove any part of a NATO treaty where they normally shove their left hands!


24 posted on 09/15/2011 11:15:24 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Gritty
Could this be our next war... with the USA on the side of it's NATO partner and against Israeli "aggression" in the eastern Med if the shooting starts and Turkey claims it is attacked?

Oh it could get a lot worse than you think. In addition to threatening Israel, Turkey has been threatening Greece and Cyprus. In response to a Greek request the Russian Navy has sent two nuclear subs and a destroyer to ensure that Greek and Cypriot oil exploration is not interfered with. We could see Russia and NATO finally go at it because of an Islamist Madman in Turkey.
25 posted on 09/15/2011 11:16:36 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Jim Scott

Since the early nineteen nineties and the Clinton administration support for the Muslim leadership in Bosnia, Erdogan has played his Islamist games. He supported the phoney Islamic charities that worked in the Balkans. He met with Iranian principals to coordinate their activity in support of the Bosnia Islamists. He collected funds for their support. He is not now, nor was he then, a friend of the West.


26 posted on 09/15/2011 11:19:11 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Nachum
I like it!

"Nice boat youse got there. Would be a shame should anything happen to it. Maybe youse should keep it at the dock."

27 posted on 09/15/2011 11:20:20 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Nachum

Anyone know if Erdogan has made any statements about the US Air Force base at Incirlik?


28 posted on 09/15/2011 11:26:05 AM PDT by Will88
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To: mojito
Yes the Turkish PM is a mouthy void surrounded by a spinchter muscle but he is not the guy out at sea . Politicians running on at the mouth on the beach ain't sailors at sea.
29 posted on 09/15/2011 11:40:17 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: robowombat

During the Cold War Soviet frigates and cruisers used the sea lane rules of the road to disrupt flight and landing ops on 6th Fleet CVs.Everything they did was legal under sea law, but it was inconvenient and borderline dangerous to the flight crews and deck crews. Israel has no aviation ships, but the Turks could legally interfere with Israeli naval movements to the point of major inconvenience.I doubt Israel would fire on a Turkish vessel, except in clear self defense, just because of the NATO connection.


30 posted on 09/15/2011 11:51:11 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: Will88

‘Anyone know if Erdogan has made any statements about the US Air Force base at Incirlik?’

Nope. Not a word.


31 posted on 09/15/2011 11:55:32 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: ZULU
My guess is the Pigs in Saudi Arabia are encouraging this.

I doubt that. Although they both are opposed to Israel, the last thing that the Saudis would want is to see the Turks take a leadership position in the Arab world, a position that they want for themselves. One the advantages that the Israelis have always had is the disunity and jealousies among the Arabs. The scene in the movie Lawrence of Arabia of the disputes among the various Arab groups after they captured Damascus highlights this disunity.

32 posted on 09/15/2011 12:07:27 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Interesting point.

Hope you are right.


33 posted on 09/15/2011 12:37:43 PM PDT by ZULU (ANYBODY but Obama)
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