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Former Local Prez: Union May Lose 40% of Members Including Him if Teacher Right to Work Passes
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | Sept. 14, 2011 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 09/15/2011 11:08:39 AM PDT by george76

Michigan Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville, R-Monroe, is pushing for a Right-to-Work law that would allow unionized school teachers to leave their union.

As a teacher in the Grand Ledge Public Schools and a former teachers union president, John Ellsworth says the various education reforms coming from Michigan’s Republican-led government are “despicable.” He thinks the much-talked about “right-to-teach” legislation for public school employees, which would make joining a teachers union voluntary, is part of “a continued attack” blaming teachers for school woes.

Yet, even Ellsworth says he would drop his Michigan Education Association membership if right-to-work for teachers became a reality...

Depending upon what districts would be willing to offer to teachers who declined union representation, Ellsworth estimated that somewhere between 10 percent and 40 percent of teachers would bolt from the MEA.

The reason? He says some don’t think they are getting real value from the $90 per month in union dues he says they pay.

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Ellsworth ...noted news reports of MEA officials getting hefty raises during a period when he says many teachers are facing cut backs.

“Why not take the money and run?” Ellsworth said. “… There are a lot of people upset they are sending their money to East Lansing (MEA headquarters) and not getting a whole lot for it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at michigancapitolconfidential.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: righttowork; schoolteachers; teacherrighttowork; teachersunion; union; unionized
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Former MEA Local Prez: Union May Lose 40% of Members – Including Him – if Teacher Right to Work Passes

1 posted on 09/15/2011 11:08:46 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

OMG, people with the free right of association. That could shut down another DNC laundry operation.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 11:11:53 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: george76

good.

unions are parasites that destroy the workplace.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 11:12:00 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: george76

Yes!

Excellent news! Go Michigan!


4 posted on 09/15/2011 11:12:08 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: george76

Why just teachers? Why not right-to-work for every Michigander?


5 posted on 09/15/2011 11:16:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Because the Auto industry could be competitive and the UAW doesn’t want that.

Pray for America


6 posted on 09/15/2011 11:18:27 AM PDT by bray (Palin is hated by the establishment of both Parties. Winner!)
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To: george76

Maybe there is hope for Michigan yet. I left in 1996 for Florida but miss the weather, family, fall leaves & the cider mills but hated the taxes.
Now if they reduce the taxes, get rid of the unions, be able to fire bad teachers maybe I’ll think about moving back in a few years.


7 posted on 09/15/2011 11:20:14 AM PDT by jrcats (Justice is blind and deaf in Florida.)
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To: BenKenobi

Almost $800.00 dollars a year for Union dues. I would leave also. Considering that they are forced to join in the first place.


8 posted on 09/15/2011 11:21:48 AM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: george76

Only 40%?

Methinks that the number would be closer to 90%.


9 posted on 09/15/2011 11:24:44 AM PDT by proudpapa (Palin-West - 2012)
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To: Steamburg
I belong to a union....I have too...new employees have too as well unless they specifically put it in writing within 30 days of being hired...of course...many don't know they have this option....

my union gives me nothing except a representative at negotiating time...no "SUB" pay like steelworkers, or food bank, or anything like that....

but what hacks me off the worse is our PAC....absolutely leftist and even though they don't use union dues supposedly to finance the pac, they do use our good name and our reputation making it seem like we collectively support their idiocy...

10 posted on 09/15/2011 11:25:12 AM PDT by cherry
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To: political1
Wow, they steal that money from you, lie to your face about how they are "helping you", and then waste your time?

Would not sit well with me.
11 posted on 09/15/2011 11:25:12 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: jrcats

” miss the weather, family, fall leaves & the cider mills but hated the taxes.”

Plus...Today is openning day of small game hunting season and early anterless deer season. It was 38 deg this AM. I would hate to ever leave here.


12 posted on 09/15/2011 11:26:21 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: george76

Once a teacher has achieved tenure he or she will no longer need the union.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 11:26:52 AM PDT by reg45
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To: proudpapa

It’s funny what the left inadvertantly admits sometimes.

Here, they’re admitting that they are FORCING 40% of their members to be members against their will.

A while back, one of the chief race baiters was saying that the ‘rats would lose around 11% of the vote if voterID was enforced, thereby admitting an 11% fraudulent voting rate in their favor.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 11:28:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: political1
Bingo.

When the new non union members start flaunting their extra spending money with new clothes, new shoes, new cars, etc., you can bet that number will swell to 90+% in a New York minute.

15 posted on 09/15/2011 11:32:33 AM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: george76

Union May Lose 40% of Members – Including Him – if Teacher Right to Work Passes...

Um, yeah, and your point is?


16 posted on 09/15/2011 11:36:37 AM PDT by papasmurf (I support Palin & Perry, singular or plural & I pledge to vote (R), regardless.)
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To: proudpapa
My wife is proud non-union teacher since it is optional. The big hook that the Unions give to get members is the promise they will represent you and offer liability insurance which is big in our litigious society. (However, ask any teacher that has had false claims brought against them and they will tell you the Union was no where to be found.) There are other organizations that offer insurance and representation for a fraction of the cost. If this information was widely known, they would lose many many members.
17 posted on 09/15/2011 11:59:50 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: reg45

“Once a teacher has achieved tenure he or she will no longer need the union.”

Ding, ding, ding! we have a winner.


18 posted on 09/15/2011 12:03:47 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: george76; All

Of course, these union members have profited from the ability of the Union to extort higher wages and benefits. Why do you think the salaries and benefits for public school teachers are about 50% higher than private school teachers?


19 posted on 09/15/2011 12:04:30 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: george76
....would make joining a teachers union voluntary, is part of “a continued attack” blaming teachers for school woes.

NO, it is part of the correct blaming teacher UNIONS for the school woes...... My wife is a teacher and I can tell you the Union mentality infects the work environment. Her worst time of the day is going to lunch and having to hear of the bit*hing. Other than that, she love teaching.

20 posted on 09/15/2011 12:04:41 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: cashless; All
FYI..this has already happened, and not surprisingly, hasn;t receive any attention.

A while back Indiana Gov Mitch Daniels instituted, vua executive order ( as he was able to do) many of the reforms just passed in Wisconsin, and proposed in other states. A few years after, in some cases, union membership has dropped by 90%....

21 posted on 09/15/2011 12:08:56 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: MrB
Assuming you have, in the aggregate, a fairly close balance between Republican and Democrat voters, an 11% loss in the total vote suggests that as many as 22% of the Democrats do not qualify to vote, or that 22% of Democrats claimed to have voted don't really exist.

This may well explain a fairly visible phenomenon ~ that is that African-Americans frequently vote in numbers as high as 90% of their number, but more often 80%, in districts with maybe 30% white Democrat voters, and yet news on voting day shows only AA voters.

That would account for that 22% ~ that the white Democrats don't really exist ~ and that those who do simply don't go out to vote.

I know there are some who will persist in the argument that vote fraud is endemic in AA precincts, and that may be so, but what kind of voters are being "created"? You'd think we'd be picking up AA's left and right, but if the fraud is in the creation of phony white voters, we'd always miss them.

22 posted on 09/15/2011 12:17:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: george76

I expect the union to use some enhanced retention procedures on those trying to leave. (I wish I was joking.)

23 posted on 09/15/2011 12:17:46 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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To: muawiyah

I think the vote fraud in AA precincts it simply someone voting for someone else that can’t be bothered to show up on election day.
Indeed, had they put forth the effort to vote, they would have voted Dem anyway, but showing up is part of the voting process.


24 posted on 09/15/2011 12:31:29 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
We still need to nail down those white voters ~ who are NEVER seen in those districts. Just because there are few of them doesn't mean they aren't "created" in the records.

That'd be what I'd do ~ find a black precinct ~ create phony white voters ~ you'd be looking for lazy black voters and I'd be winning the election!

25 posted on 09/15/2011 12:35:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: george76

Thats the ticket.. right to work legislation..
NEXT...... The whole State becomes a right to work State..

Being forced to join a Union IS NOT FREEDOM...
Currently several States have little FREEDOM...


26 posted on 09/15/2011 12:44:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: george76

Voter fraud is tested and perfected in the UNIONS...
THEN implemented Statewide..


27 posted on 09/15/2011 12:46:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: george76

Johnny Friendly is not happy.


28 posted on 09/15/2011 12:56:30 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: george76
Teachers unions are a big supporter of Dems. Eliminate much of their revenue, and Dems will have a harder time in future elections.

After getting rid of the union, go after education establishment credentialism. There is no reason that a math major is qualified to teach freshmen match courses in college, but not high school seniors just because he doesn't have an "education" degree.

29 posted on 09/15/2011 1:09:15 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: political1

90*12 = 1,080...


30 posted on 09/15/2011 1:19:44 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: jurroppi1

There was a side note in the Article that said the union put a cap on dues at $788.00 dollars so that was the number I was going by.


31 posted on 09/15/2011 1:53:37 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: political1
Almost $800.00 dollars a year for Union dues. I would leave also. Considering that they are forced to join in the first place.

At ninety dollars a month. That's $1,080 in union dues -- not "almost $800".

All so union fat cats can buy their $500 suits, work out of luxury offices, drive Cadillac Escalades, eat at 5-star restaurants...and shovel millions into the Democrat party coffers.

If the average Michigan teacher is getting $50 worth of representation out of their $1080 in dues, I'd be shocked.

32 posted on 09/15/2011 2:10:34 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Because Richardville is pro-union. He represents Monroe, so he has to be.


33 posted on 09/15/2011 2:35:21 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I am not lead by any politician. I am my own leader.)
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To: george76
He says some don’t think they are getting real value from the $90 per month in union dues he says they pay.

He's right. Teachers definitely get their money's worth out of the unions--it's the taxpayers who get screwed.

34 posted on 09/15/2011 3:15:14 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: political1

Well, far be it from me to read the whole article... LOL

Thanks for the correction.

9 months, 90 bucks would be 810, so they don’t even have to pay for the full 9 months they are working.

Wait, is the union subsidized by the state too? (I’m only half joking there - it wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out they were subsidized somehow).


35 posted on 09/15/2011 3:57:11 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: george76

Get me a tissue, I’m fixin to cry.


36 posted on 09/15/2011 6:39:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: jrcats

We killed the 20,000 home child care workers union back February or March. It was another forced unionization that none of them wanted. The home health care workers are next on my list.


37 posted on 09/15/2011 6:50:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Steamburg
OMG, people with the free right of association. That could shut down another DNC laundry operation.

Exactly! Why do you think the union thugs and Democrats are getting so violent? Their criminal empire is in jeopardy and they know it.

38 posted on 09/15/2011 6:57:58 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: okie01

They get a nice magazine to read ... full of DemoRat Bullsh*t. I throw my wife’s copy away before she sees it.

F the MEA.


39 posted on 09/15/2011 7:07:56 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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