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Professors offer more than $10,000 for proof that Bachmannís story about HPV is true
Yahoo News ^ | 09/15/2011 | Chris Moody

Posted on 09/15/2011 1:35:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann's story about a woman who claimed that her daughter suffered "mental retardation" after receiving a vaccine against HPV could fetch the woman's family thousands of dollars. But the family can only collect if Bachmann or the unnamed woman can prove the story is true.

Two bioethics professors have offered to pay more than $10,000 for medical records that prove the anecdote Bachmann told after Monday night's Republican presidential debate is true, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports:

Steven Miles, a U of M bioethics professor, said that he'll give $1,000 if the medical records of the woman from Bachmann's story are released and can be viewed by a medical professional.

His offer was upped by his former boss from the University of Minnesota, Art Caplan, who is now director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics. Caplan said he would match Miles' challenge and offered $10,000 for proof of the HPV vaccine victim.

"'These types of messages in this climate have the capacity to do enormous public health harm,'" Miles said of why he made the offer. 'The woman, assuming she exists, put this claim into the public domain and it's an extremely serious claim and it deserves to be analyzed.'"

Bachmann told the story after she criticized opponent Texas Gov. Rick Perry for using an executive order in 2007 to mandate that all girls entering the sixth grade receive a vaccination against the Human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease that can cause cervical cancer.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antivax; bachmann; bachmann4romney; cervicalcancer; gardasil; hpv; michelebachmann; pantsonfire; vaccine
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1 posted on 09/15/2011 1:35:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy bet, because there is no proof.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 1:37:56 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: SeekAndFind

Put up or shut up.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 1:38:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: SeekAndFind

$10,000 dollars says they can’t prove it is not true.


4 posted on 09/15/2011 1:38:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: All

Consensus = proof nowadays.
All she needs is a gaggle of “professionals” to agree with her....done!


5 posted on 09/15/2011 1:39:33 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: TigersEye

You know you can’t prove a negative.

She said it and it’s up to her or her supporters to prove what she said is accurate.


6 posted on 09/15/2011 1:42:45 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet the professor $1million that what Obama said of Obamacare won’t increase deficit is false. Obama/Biden lies all the time and the media never call them on it


7 posted on 09/15/2011 1:43:33 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Maverick68
Don't forget the finger-wagging FReepers who are convinced Gardisil is a colossal killer, regardless of any empirical data or FDA action.
8 posted on 09/15/2011 1:43:39 PM PDT by Carling
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To: SeekAndFind

Bachmann really stepped in it.

She managed to take a good debate performance and wreck it by creating this controversy. She just couldn’t resist going overboard with the Gardasil thing.

I think she’s done now. She wasn’t likely to win the nomination anyway, but this thing really blew up in her face.


9 posted on 09/15/2011 1:44:07 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Maverick68

These dopes have nothing better to do with money or their time than hunt down some poor woman who talked to Bachmann after the debate?

I have always believed this story to be true whether or not Gardisil is a dangerous vaccine or not.

We need to find this woman and report her to Attack.com.


10 posted on 09/15/2011 1:44:25 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I won't be holding my breath waiting for the unknown woman in the audience to produce the records. This illustrates the problem with uncritically believing any anecdote that some nobody wants to tell you. Bachmann showed very faulty judgment in repeating this claim. A note of caution to the wise, including right here on FR, where inflammatory and unsubstantiated anecdotes have been known to abound.
11 posted on 09/15/2011 1:44:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

michelle is done


12 posted on 09/15/2011 1:44:35 PM PDT by She hits a grand slam tonight
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To: traderrob6
“She said it and it’s up to her or her supporters to prove what she said is accurate”. Sorry , it is up to her to move to the next attack point if she wants to continue. Leave the virus obsession to those with nothing better to think about.
13 posted on 09/15/2011 1:46:41 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Longbow1969

As Joan Rivers used to say: oh, grow up, America!

Do you really think that the left needs this story to demonize a female Republican candidate for prez? How naive.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 1:47:52 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no proof, she is a liar.


15 posted on 09/15/2011 1:49:21 PM PDT by Grunthor (Best thing about Sarah? Her classy supporters that learned from RP idiots how to help a politician)
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To: hinckley buzzard

This won’t be the first time a politician has offered up an anecdote to support their position that was later proven to be fallacious.

It generally tends to be a Democrat though.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 1:49:25 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

Michelle IS done - she’s probably going home to Chicago. Michele, on the other hand, is still a viable candidate.


17 posted on 09/15/2011 1:49:32 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: traderrob6

That should be easy. All she has to do is prove that some woman told her the story she said the woman told her. In the mean time these asshat professors know that proving their challenge is also proving a negative.


18 posted on 09/15/2011 1:51:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: fantom

“Leave the virus obsession to those with nothing better to think about.”

In other words, “Move On” right, LOL. Unfortunately untill it’s addressed properly it will dog her.


19 posted on 09/15/2011 1:53:12 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: miss marmelstein

Take a look at this. Rick Perry really stepped in it. He has given the left all they need.

He is toast, done, over, finished, unelectable, he needs to get out now. I mean right now. He is too impulsive and emotional when it comes to his alien buddies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2778880/posts


20 posted on 09/15/2011 1:54:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: GunRunner

$10,000 for proof “global warming” is manmade. And algore’s ridiculous PowerPoint slide show doesn’t count.


21 posted on 09/15/2011 1:55:59 PM PDT by ponygirl (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers; that’s not allowed is it?)
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To: fantom

Bingo! She needs to handle this mistake (it is a bump) like Palin handled all the garbage thrown at her and like all the garbage in the gossip magazines. Someone needs to get the facts for her before she steps in it. Learn and move on.

NEVER use ONE verbal example, parent source or doctor source, for a government based decision.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 1:56:02 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: TigersEye

I don’t doubt that the women did indeed approach her and maybe even say what Bachmann said she did.

But MB also gave it credence with her final statement to the press on the incident, therein lies the rub.

Look it up.


23 posted on 09/15/2011 1:58:10 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

This was her “I’m not a witch, I’m you” moment. Sayonara Michele!


24 posted on 09/15/2011 2:00:25 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “intellectual” left should be completely ignored by Rep. Bachmann. She is not accountable to them, nor should she succumb to their extremely political interference.


25 posted on 09/15/2011 2:01:43 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE RINOs (BUSHS)!)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is not uncommon for an infant to have a febrile illness, a drug reaction, etc., that will arrest his brain development and, in effect, make him mentally retarded in his later years, as compared to his peers.

However, if any vaccine had made a perfectly normal 12 year old mentally retarded, that case history would have been world famous and cited in every medical journal and newspaper headline in Western Civilization.

Bachmann repeated, as a fact, on the national stage, in prime time, without any checking, something that a total stranger had claimed.

Bachmann essentially made herself the Joe McGinnis of the Presidential debates.

26 posted on 09/15/2011 2:01:53 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: traderrob6

No thanks, it’s not that important to me. Only those with an agenda to hurt Rep. Bachmann think it’s much of an issue.


27 posted on 09/15/2011 2:02:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Diogenesis

from CDC link you cited:

In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.


29 posted on 09/15/2011 2:06:32 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: TigersEye
OK brother.
30 posted on 09/15/2011 2:07:11 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

Don’t think, much “thinking” went on when she made such a statement without any supporting evidence. Bachmann was probably listening to a ronpaul kook, whom pretended to be an innocent Tea Party person. I am sure Bachmann wishes she could put this back in the bottle.

I would prefer to consider Bachmann just impulsive, which considering the position she is striving for, can be damgerous on a global scale.


31 posted on 09/15/2011 2:07:34 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Diogenesis

As for the truther site: Get real.


32 posted on 09/15/2011 2:07:37 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: traderrob6

Whatever, sister.


33 posted on 09/15/2011 2:09:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: fantom

Too bad, this has legs now. Next thing Michele will be back on the bus pouting like at Waterloo, Iowa.


34 posted on 09/15/2011 2:10:02 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: indylindy

Hope this link works:

www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_old_boys_lose_

It’s about the old boys Democrat network shoving aside decent female candidates in the NY/Queens/Brooklyn race in favor of the creepy bewigged Weprin.

Thought it had major implications for the Republicans, as well.

If the link doesn’t work, please go to today’s New York Post and read the article. It’s very interesting.


35 posted on 09/15/2011 2:10:09 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Damn! If a link goes on for half a page, it usually ain’t gonna work!


36 posted on 09/15/2011 2:10:59 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Her problem is she acted like a Democrat. We have higher standards.


37 posted on 09/15/2011 2:11:04 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: ari-freedom

32 reports? How selective a cherry picker you are.

First, grasshopper, this list is a LOWER LIMIT.

Second, the serious problems (e.g. cancers induced) will
show up LATER (usual latency is 7 to 20 years).

Third, there were 18,727 reports of adverse events.

Four, there were 68 VAERS reports of death.

Fifth, did the RINO Perry warn the 6th graders
they might die?

Six, .... or does he just brag (and lie) that
he PREVENTS CANCER?


38 posted on 09/15/2011 2:13:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: miss marmelstein

“I have always believed this story to be true whether or not Gardisil is a dangerous vaccine or not.”

WOW, to say the least.....

“Feelings” orientation is the best reason to tread very cautiously with promoting just any woman to POTUS.


39 posted on 09/15/2011 2:13:44 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" and ronpaulnutz are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: TigersEye

Yep and they are here of course


40 posted on 09/15/2011 2:13:44 PM PDT by wardaddy (, Dick Cheney ....get his book...he should have been President)
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To: traderrob6

>You know you can’t prove a negative.

There are no flying spaghetti monsters in my office.

(I look up, I see none).

Q.E.D.


did I just prove a negative?


41 posted on 09/15/2011 2:14:50 PM PDT by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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To: Maverick68
Consensus = proof nowadays. All she needs is a gaggle of “professionals” to agree with her....done!

The claim was that a perfectly normal 12 year old became mentally retarded.

Bachmann will need to produce a mentally retarded teenager that was known to be perfectly normal to her community, her friends and her teachers before she received the vaccine.

No such teenager exits and a dozen “professionals” can't fake the existence of such a teenager.

Only an entire community could theoretically fake such a story in a "Waking Ned Devine" scenario.


42 posted on 09/15/2011 2:14:54 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: TigersEye

LOL, ouch, I think I’m gonna cry.

Seriously, although Bachmann is not my first choice I have no major issues with her.

That being said, she needs to dispense of this or it will continue to haunt her, wait and see.


43 posted on 09/15/2011 2:15:21 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: dusttoyou

It’s certainly going to have legs pushed by all you Michele haters here on FR.


44 posted on 09/15/2011 2:15:34 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: SeekAndFind

When did you stop beating your wife?


45 posted on 09/15/2011 2:15:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (The MSM will not pick my candidate--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--)
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To: ROTB

Cute, but specious.


46 posted on 09/15/2011 2:17:40 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: dusttoyou

At least - despite my “feelings” - I can write a coherent post. Unlike you, you twit.


47 posted on 09/15/2011 2:20:29 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: indylindy

Well indy, this seems to be the week for sighing and rolling our eyes like pinwheels.


48 posted on 09/15/2011 2:20:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.drugs.com/clinical_trials/studies-gardasil-merck-s-cervical-cancer-vaccine-hpv-16-vaccine-component-gardasil-presented-7192.html ~ this has Merck’s OWN study. There were 24 deaths among those in the study group 2 of which involved overdose/suicide. Now, about that reward ~


49 posted on 09/15/2011 2:20:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

Rick Perry owes her big time for her big mouth. She scored big points at the debate, although I didn’t agree with her, but like my wife and most women.....when she had won the argument...she couldn’t shut up.....and with that little fib...she lost big time and I doubt seriously if we hear anymore about guardasil in the next debate... Thanks Michelle!


50 posted on 09/15/2011 2:21:20 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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