Posted on 09/15/2011 8:26:14 PM PDT by MN_Mike
Earlier today, a story was posted about a beautiful young lady inflicted with cervical cancer who tragically passed away at a frighteningly young age. A good friend of Gov. Perry. I saw this on Megan Kelly's program and do question the timing of the video release, however.
(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...
The charges:
(1) that he unilaterally ordered a mandatory HPV Vaccine with an "opt-out" provision that the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons largely discredited. And that, only through the Texas legislature was forced to void.
(2) that he received not $5,000 in direct contributions from Merck as he alleged during the debate but $30,000 in direct contributions. Plus, received an additional $350,000 from the Republican Government Association in which Merck has contributed $4M in the past five years.
Some folks are applauding Perry for trying to maneuver Gardasil into the list of vaccinations covered by health insurance. But of course health insurance never creates money for patients; it simply “spreads the wealth” (and the burden). People’s premiums would rise if Gardasil were to become mandated coverage.
The free market is the best answer, especially since most of the danger of getting HPV is tied to life style choices. Let women decide whether to invest in Gardasil or not. And even Gardasil doesn’t prevent infection by all potentially deadly HPV strains.
Hello HiTech RedNeck:
You are absolutely right. The “Forgotten Man” is the one who isn’t directly involved but ends up paying anyway.
Oh...
a "Concern Troll" huh?
You are totally understood.
You may have noticed the words: “a rebuttal” followed by probative questions?
Hello Artemis Webb:
Well, I do have a few questions. Do you care to address them or resort to the standard name-calling commonly found on Huffington Post?
I will make a guess regarding the timing of the family’s story coming out now. I read the earlier posting and the impression I got was this was a private relationship and I seriously doubt Perry was willing to exploit it just to defend his actions.
There wasn’t any press at his visits, and the pictures were all family photos taken shortly before the woman died. It was the family who decided to come to Perry’s defense because they knew the truth about his motivations, and were tired of seeing him unfairly smeared.
Now we have friends of a woman who developed the cancer coming to Perry's defense. So the question is, "where is the woman who came crying to Bachmann at the debate, relating the story about her daughter getting mental retardation from the vaccine?"
I think Bachmann has a great imagination. That's probably the same imagination that keeps telling her she “raised” 23 foster kids, lol.
I don't expect my girls to be promiscuous, but would their husband even know if he were transmitting HPV to them if he didn't know he had it? And doesn't it protect against genital warts (yuck)?
I'd hate to find out my child, later adult got cancer or the other from my lack of getting her a vaccination.
I can't decide if it's worth it to get the vaccine or not. What if it were 40 years ago and my child got Polio because I didn't trust the new vaccine?
Also, I'm sick of hearing some people act like only — I'll say it— “sluts” need the vaccine because I would never call any young girl a slut and one action as a teen should not decide if you contract a certain cancer.
Tex-Con-Man:
Thank you for this. I’m wondering if they also came out when he was attacked on this during his last run for reelection as Texas governor?
Moreover, while the story is very compelling, it doesn’t address the issues at hand: (1) the issuance of the mandate, and (2) the channeling of funds from Merck to his campaign, both directly at $30k and indirectly at $350,000
Hello MacMattico:
The key thing you pointed out is that it is ultimately your informed decision to make. Obviously, Gov. Perry was wrong to make is mandatory with a questionable “opt-out” provision. Only to have the Texas legislature come out and void the executive order.
That’s true. I just watched the video at the link. I agree his decision was wrong, but he truly seemed to be a caring person trying to help, and he now admits he was wrong, so this won’t be the factor that makes me vote for or against him. Also, when you see him sitting with the girl as she’s dieing showing her pictures on his camera, it makes me think he’s so much more of a decent guy than what we have now.
ABO (Anybody But Obama)
Still intrigued with the Merck donations. Gov. Perry said $5,000 during the debate but it turns out to be $30,000 in direct contributions and $350,000 indirect Merck money through the Republican Governors Association.
She seems like such a sweet heart. Hope she rests in peace.
My niece has HPV. She was told it was from having too much sex at an early age. She was told she probally not be able to have children.
3 children later, she has been tested several times but does not follow up. There is Cancer in the family and she is afraid to find out if something is wrong. Her children range in ages 3-10 yo. I wish there was something she could have taken when diagnosed, but I believe it must be taken before diagnosis. Being up front and personal with this situation, I believe the Guardasil should be given to all girls. They are not going to NOT have sex. Most don’t talk to their parents and at the very least a Dr should be able to counsel them on this. JMHO.
I agree about the money, too, but then again if you own Merck, and you realize there’s a candidate that thinks your product will help people and will push it hard, you’d probably give that candidate a large donation.
You are absolutely correct.
When a health care service is expanded in the general population, it costs more money through either higher insurance premiums (for insured care) or higher government spending (for Medicare and Medicaid care).
Perry decided to trade increased dollar costs for more lives saved because he thought it was the right thing to do.
If you believe in the opposite priority, that is where the "bean-counters" come in. It is their job to decide that X number of extra deaths is worth Y number of saved dollars. It is the bean-counter's job to ration care in order to save dollars.
It seems that, if the bean-counter is conservative, that is considered "Fiscal Conservatism", which is good.
However, if the bean-counters are liberal, that is considered a "Death Pannel", which is bad.
No matter what color lip-stick you put on it, "Death Panel Pink" or "Fiscal Conservative Red", the bean-counter position still trades lives for dollars.
The free market is the best answer, especially since most of the danger of getting HPV is tied to life style choices
Is that you, Andy Hardy?
Unless your life style choice is "virgin" and, unless both you and your spouse were virgins when you first slept together and have remained 100% faithful, you are in for quite a shock.
Bottom line:
Unless you were a virgin on your wedding night or had never slept with anybody except your bride (who had to be a virgin too), chances are that you had been exposed to HPV before you said "I do".
Unless you were pure as the driven snow, guess where your virgin bride got her 10% to 40% chance of being infected with HPV?
She got it from you.
PerryBots aren't that perceptive, especially that one.
True, and it’s called “crony capitalism” where Perry acts as the pitchman in exchange for campaign contributions.
Hi MarineMom613:
I don’t believe the debate is over whether or not young girls should take Guardasil but over what terms the drug is advocated. The only state today that makes the immunization mandatory is Virgina and they do not even enforce it.
The better approach, frankly the only realistic approach, is for the government to educate parents and compel them to voluntarily immunize their daughters. Even Gov. Perry today realizes that he should have had an “opt-in” instead of making it mandatory and impose an controversial “opt-out” provision.
Then there is the other matter of crony capitalism that was much more extensive than what Gov. Perry said was $5,000 in Merck contributions.
The vaccine must be taken and the immunity built up before the first exposure to HPV. No built up immunity means no protection at first exposure.
The best immunity is built up, over time, after all three courses of the vaccine have been completed. That is why the vaccines are started at an early age.
Being up front and personal with this situation, I believe the Guardasil should be given to all girls. They are not going to NOT have sex.
See Post 17.
Actually, even a 24 year old virgin bride is at great risk for HPV because of the simple fact that, in this day and age, the 26 year old groom is probably not a virgin and has not been for quite a while.
Remember the old admonition that, when you have sex with somebody, you have also had sex with everybody that they had sex with ..... and those who had sex with them .... and those who had sex with them .... etc., etc.?
The HPVirus that the groom gave to his 24 year old virgin bride on her wedding night came from a chain of sexual partners numbering in the hundreds and dating back decades. The HPVirus that was passed on to the virgin bride on her wedding night might have come from some 14 year old who had sex when the 24 year old bride was only 7.
Trying to wipe out the HPVirus (as the Polio virus was wiped out) with a universal vaccination program protects everybody from the sexually active 14 year old to the 24 year old virgin bride with the not-so-virgin groom.
Gardisil whatever! The crux of the argument is where does this man stand!!
He speaks as a conservative, he rules as a moderate.
If that works for you, great!
I’ve had enough of that.
Stand in the place where you live to quote a song.
Exactly. My problem with the whole fiasco was mandating that 11 year old girls get it. You have to get it before you are sexually active, or 26. There was absolutely no need to require 11 year olds get it.
As far as HPV goes, keep your panties up and marry a good man and you will most likely be fine. Can this be taught in government schools? Apparently not. Why would anyone send their child to a place where God is mocked, common sense is reviled, and lies are taught from books as truth. I've heard that Christian children are needed at schools to influence the others, but anyone with one eye and half sense would know that a child will conform to others, not the other way around. If you are bold enough to tell them to not have sex, they might listen, but if you give them rubbers and a shot, what do you think they believe you are teaching them? It's considered "hate speech" to tell them to keep things out of your rectum if you don't want AIDS, so the first thing they try is sodomy so they won't get pregnant.
If you stand away a little bit and just take a long look, you may see just how far we have fallen into the abyss and you may feel a little guilt for what we are doing to our kids.
Perry had a flaw in his judgment, so we have to expand on that and see if it would affect other judgement calls he may have to make that we can't even imaging right now. You need to have good character to be a leader, even more than an education. Romney changed his mind on abortion. Look at how many other things he has had to flip flop on in the last few years. If you can't figure out that a fetus is a baby, what kind of judgements will you make on other things? Why did it take most of his life to figure that out? People are allowed to change their minds, but I think the president should have some core values to start with. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect someone to know that if they force something on my daughter, I will probably shoot them. They don't have the right to over rule the parents without a court order. Parental rights are natural in every culture on the planet and have been respected since recorded time. It makes people nervous for a leader to "forget" that.
My condolences and respect go out to all those inflicted and suffering with cancer. However, this is a very questionable release in timing. Oh, and Gardisil is a bad vaccine. More info below for those truly concerned. California no longer requires parental consent for vaccination. It is unconstitutional, but many Americans do not know that.
You’re a Cain supporter, no?
I like Cain. I hope he wins too!
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