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Cancer Victim’s Friends Come to Perry’s Defense: A Rebuttal
KTRK ^ | September 15, 2011 | MinnMike

Posted on 09/15/2011 8:26:14 PM PDT by MN_Mike

Earlier today, a story was posted about a beautiful young lady inflicted with cervical cancer who tragically passed away at a frighteningly young age. A good friend of Gov. Perry. I saw this on Megan Kelly's program and do question the timing of the video release, however.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hpvvaccine; perry; primary; texas
I have two young daughters, and as I watched the story of this young lady's early death to cancer, a few concerns came to mind. Why was this video being released during the same week that Gov. Perry was challenged during the debate? And, how does this tragic story change the basic accusations against the governor?

The charges:

(1) that he unilaterally ordered a mandatory HPV Vaccine with an "opt-out" provision that the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons largely discredited. And that, only through the Texas legislature was forced to void.

(2) that he received not $5,000 in direct contributions from Merck as he alleged during the debate but $30,000 in direct contributions. Plus, received an additional $350,000 from the Republican Government Association in which Merck has contributed $4M in the past five years.

1 posted on 09/15/2011 8:26:21 PM PDT by MN_Mike
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To: MN_Mike

Some folks are applauding Perry for trying to maneuver Gardasil into the list of vaccinations covered by health insurance. But of course health insurance never creates money for patients; it simply “spreads the wealth” (and the burden). People’s premiums would rise if Gardasil were to become mandated coverage.

The free market is the best answer, especially since most of the danger of getting HPV is tied to life style choices. Let women decide whether to invest in Gardasil or not. And even Gardasil doesn’t prevent infection by all potentially deadly HPV strains.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 8:33:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hello HiTech RedNeck:

You are absolutely right. The “Forgotten Man” is the one who isn’t directly involved but ends up paying anyway.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 8:38:13 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MN_Mike
"a few concerns came to mind."

Oh...
a "Concern Troll" huh?
You are totally understood.

4 posted on 09/15/2011 8:41:37 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: MN_Mike
Already posted: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2778709/posts
5 posted on 09/15/2011 8:42:40 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

You may have noticed the words: “a rebuttal” followed by probative questions?


6 posted on 09/15/2011 8:45:41 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: Artemis Webb

Hello Artemis Webb:

Well, I do have a few questions. Do you care to address them or resort to the standard name-calling commonly found on Huffington Post?


7 posted on 09/15/2011 8:47:00 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MN_Mike

I will make a guess regarding the timing of the family’s story coming out now. I read the earlier posting and the impression I got was this was a private relationship and I seriously doubt Perry was willing to exploit it just to defend his actions.

There wasn’t any press at his visits, and the pictures were all family photos taken shortly before the woman died. It was the family who decided to come to Perry’s defense because they knew the truth about his motivations, and were tired of seeing him unfairly smeared.


8 posted on 09/15/2011 9:02:40 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man
I don't really know why this story is a big deal. Perry made a mistake by issuing a vaccine mandate, but ultimately the mandate was never enforced because of the actions of the Texas legislature.

Now we have friends of a woman who developed the cancer coming to Perry's defense. So the question is, "where is the woman who came crying to Bachmann at the debate, relating the story about her daughter getting mental retardation from the vaccine?"

I think Bachmann has a great imagination. That's probably the same imagination that keeps telling her she “raised” 23 foster kids, lol.

9 posted on 09/15/2011 9:09:02 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Gardasil is covered by our insurance. Our Pediatrician gave us lots of info. And said decide if you'd like your girls to get this or not, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I don't expect my girls to be promiscuous, but would their husband even know if he were transmitting HPV to them if he didn't know he had it? And doesn't it protect against genital warts (yuck)?

I'd hate to find out my child, later adult got cancer or the other from my lack of getting her a vaccination.

I can't decide if it's worth it to get the vaccine or not. What if it were 40 years ago and my child got Polio because I didn't trust the new vaccine?

Also, I'm sick of hearing some people act like only — I'll say it— “sluts” need the vaccine because I would never call any young girl a slut and one action as a teen should not decide if you contract a certain cancer.

10 posted on 09/15/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Tex-Con-Man:

Thank you for this. I’m wondering if they also came out when he was attacked on this during his last run for reelection as Texas governor?

Moreover, while the story is very compelling, it doesn’t address the issues at hand: (1) the issuance of the mandate, and (2) the channeling of funds from Merck to his campaign, both directly at $30k and indirectly at $350,000


11 posted on 09/15/2011 9:11:14 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MacMattico

Hello MacMattico:

The key thing you pointed out is that it is ultimately your informed decision to make. Obviously, Gov. Perry was wrong to make is mandatory with a questionable “opt-out” provision. Only to have the Texas legislature come out and void the executive order.


12 posted on 09/15/2011 9:14:17 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MN_Mike

That’s true. I just watched the video at the link. I agree his decision was wrong, but he truly seemed to be a caring person trying to help, and he now admits he was wrong, so this won’t be the factor that makes me vote for or against him. Also, when you see him sitting with the girl as she’s dieing showing her pictures on his camera, it makes me think he’s so much more of a decent guy than what we have now.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 9:22:05 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

ABO (Anybody But Obama)

Still intrigued with the Merck donations. Gov. Perry said $5,000 during the debate but it turns out to be $30,000 in direct contributions and $350,000 indirect Merck money through the Republican Governors Association.

She seems like such a sweet heart. Hope she rests in peace.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 9:25:32 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MN_Mike

My niece has HPV. She was told it was from having too much sex at an early age. She was told she probally not be able to have children.
3 children later, she has been tested several times but does not follow up. There is Cancer in the family and she is afraid to find out if something is wrong. Her children range in ages 3-10 yo. I wish there was something she could have taken when diagnosed, but I believe it must be taken before diagnosis. Being up front and personal with this situation, I believe the Guardasil should be given to all girls. They are not going to NOT have sex. Most don’t talk to their parents and at the very least a Dr should be able to counsel them on this. JMHO.


15 posted on 09/15/2011 9:31:48 PM PDT by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 ~ 7/2/2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: MN_Mike

I agree about the money, too, but then again if you own Merck, and you realize there’s a candidate that thinks your product will help people and will push it hard, you’d probably give that candidate a large donation.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 9:33:20 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Some folks are applauding Perry for trying to maneuver Gardasil into the list of vaccinations covered by health insurance. But of course health insurance never creates money for patients; it simply “spreads the wealth” (and the burden). People’s premiums would rise if Gardasil were to become mandated coverage.

You are absolutely correct.

When a health care service is expanded in the general population, it costs more money through either higher insurance premiums (for insured care) or higher government spending (for Medicare and Medicaid care).

Perry decided to trade increased dollar costs for more lives saved because he thought it was the right thing to do.

If you believe in the opposite priority, that is where the "bean-counters" come in. It is their job to decide that X number of extra deaths is worth Y number of saved dollars. It is the bean-counter's job to ration care in order to save dollars.

It seems that, if the bean-counter is conservative, that is considered "Fiscal Conservatism", which is good.

However, if the bean-counters are liberal, that is considered a "Death Pannel", which is bad.

No matter what color lip-stick you put on it, "Death Panel Pink" or "Fiscal Conservative Red", the bean-counter position still trades lives for dollars.

The free market is the best answer, especially since most of the danger of getting HPV is tied to life style choices

Is that you, Andy Hardy?

Unless your life style choice is "virgin" and, unless both you and your spouse were virgins when you first slept together and have remained 100% faithful, you are in for quite a shock.

It is estimated that 75% of Canadians will have at least one HPV infection in their lifetime. The Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada estimates that 10% to 30% of the Canadian adult population is infected with HPV. This is in line with research from the US and Europe which has shown that 10% to 40% of sexually active women are infected by HPV at any one time

Bottom line:

Unless you were a virgin on your wedding night or had never slept with anybody except your bride (who had to be a virgin too), chances are that you had been exposed to HPV before you said "I do".

Unless you were pure as the driven snow, guess where your virgin bride got her 10% to 40% chance of being infected with HPV?

She got it from you.

17 posted on 09/15/2011 9:55:22 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: MN_Mike
You may have noticed the words: “a rebuttal” followed by probative questions?

PerryBots aren't that perceptive, especially that one.

18 posted on 09/15/2011 10:00:29 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: MacMattico

True, and it’s called “crony capitalism” where Perry acts as the pitchman in exchange for campaign contributions.


19 posted on 09/15/2011 10:10:53 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MarineMom613

Hi MarineMom613:

I don’t believe the debate is over whether or not young girls should take Guardasil but over what terms the drug is advocated. The only state today that makes the immunization mandatory is Virgina and they do not even enforce it.

The better approach, frankly the only realistic approach, is for the government to educate parents and compel them to voluntarily immunize their daughters. Even Gov. Perry today realizes that he should have had an “opt-in” instead of making it mandatory and impose an controversial “opt-out” provision.

Then there is the other matter of crony capitalism that was much more extensive than what Gov. Perry said was $5,000 in Merck contributions.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 10:19:15 PM PDT by MN_Mike (ObamACORN, BelaPelosi, and Howie Screed - Trangle of Doom)
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To: MarineMom613
My niece has HPV. .... I wish there was something she could have taken when diagnosed, but I believe it must be taken before diagnosis.

The vaccine must be taken and the immunity built up before the first exposure to HPV. No built up immunity means no protection at first exposure.

The best immunity is built up, over time, after all three courses of the vaccine have been completed. That is why the vaccines are started at an early age.

Being up front and personal with this situation, I believe the Guardasil should be given to all girls. They are not going to NOT have sex.

See Post 17.

Actually, even a 24 year old virgin bride is at great risk for HPV because of the simple fact that, in this day and age, the 26 year old groom is probably not a virgin and has not been for quite a while.

Remember the old admonition that, when you have sex with somebody, you have also had sex with everybody that they had sex with ..... and those who had sex with them .... and those who had sex with them .... etc., etc.?

The HPVirus that the groom gave to his 24 year old virgin bride on her wedding night came from a chain of sexual partners numbering in the hundreds and dating back decades. The HPVirus that was passed on to the virgin bride on her wedding night might have come from some 14 year old who had sex when the 24 year old bride was only 7.

Trying to wipe out the HPVirus (as the Polio virus was wiped out) with a universal vaccination program protects everybody from the sexually active 14 year old to the 24 year old virgin bride with the not-so-virgin groom.

21 posted on 09/15/2011 10:28:23 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: MN_Mike

Gardisil whatever! The crux of the argument is where does this man stand!!
He speaks as a conservative, he rules as a moderate.
If that works for you, great!
I’ve had enough of that.
Stand in the place where you live to quote a song.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 10:36:11 PM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on me)
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To: MN_Mike

Exactly. My problem with the whole fiasco was mandating that 11 year old girls get it. You have to get it before you are sexually active, or 26. There was absolutely no need to require 11 year olds get it.


23 posted on 09/15/2011 11:14:19 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: MN_Mike
The conversation seems to always center around HPV and the money. For me, the question is about Perry's judgement. It could be over any issue. If HPV is a problem, then there are many ways to address it. Forcing a child to take a government issued injection is a bit far if you are a conservative. He seems genuinely sorry now, but at the time he was perfectly happy forcing everyone to conform. That's what government is,....FORCE! It should be used rarely and gently. His "Democratness" must have popped to the frontal lobe and left him completely irrational. I had the same burning in my stomach during the "Texas corridor" period. It was so unpopular and divisive, I couldn't believe he was so intent on forcing it down our throats. His and others type of "governing" was a large reason I and my wife chose to home school my daughter. There were more forced items coming down the pipe, that I just couldn't and wouldn't swallow as we sought to raise a responsible and unspoiled child.

As far as HPV goes, keep your panties up and marry a good man and you will most likely be fine. Can this be taught in government schools? Apparently not. Why would anyone send their child to a place where God is mocked, common sense is reviled, and lies are taught from books as truth. I've heard that Christian children are needed at schools to influence the others, but anyone with one eye and half sense would know that a child will conform to others, not the other way around. If you are bold enough to tell them to not have sex, they might listen, but if you give them rubbers and a shot, what do you think they believe you are teaching them? It's considered "hate speech" to tell them to keep things out of your rectum if you don't want AIDS, so the first thing they try is sodomy so they won't get pregnant.

If you stand away a little bit and just take a long look, you may see just how far we have fallen into the abyss and you may feel a little guilt for what we are doing to our kids.

Perry had a flaw in his judgment, so we have to expand on that and see if it would affect other judgement calls he may have to make that we can't even imaging right now. You need to have good character to be a leader, even more than an education. Romney changed his mind on abortion. Look at how many other things he has had to flip flop on in the last few years. If you can't figure out that a fetus is a baby, what kind of judgements will you make on other things? Why did it take most of his life to figure that out? People are allowed to change their minds, but I think the president should have some core values to start with. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect someone to know that if they force something on my daughter, I will probably shoot them. They don't have the right to over rule the parents without a court order. Parental rights are natural in every culture on the planet and have been respected since recorded time. It makes people nervous for a leader to "forget" that.

24 posted on 09/15/2011 11:18:10 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: MN_Mike

My condolences and respect go out to all those inflicted and suffering with cancer. However, this is a very questionable release in timing. Oh, and Gardisil is a bad vaccine. More info below for those truly concerned. California no longer requires parental consent for vaccination. It is unconstitutional, but many Americans do not know that.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/16/vaccine-wake-up-call-for-parents-your-children-are-being-taken.aspx?e_cid=20110916_DNL_art_1


25 posted on 09/16/2011 12:14:16 AM PDT by mazz44
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To: MN_Mike

You’re a Cain supporter, no?

I like Cain. I hope he wins too!


26 posted on 09/16/2011 12:26:35 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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