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Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks
MSNBC ^ | 9/14/2011

Posted on 09/16/2011 1:08:12 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

The nation's second-largest Indian tribe said on Tuesday that it would not be dictated to by the U.S. government over its move to banish 2,800 African Americans from its citizenship rolls.

"The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA," Joe Crittenden, the tribe's acting principal chief, said in a statement responding to the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Crittenden, who leads the tribe until a new principal chief is elected, went on to complain about unnamed congressmen meddling in the tribe's self-governance.

The reaction follows a letter the tribe received on Monday from BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk, who warned that the results of the September 24 Cherokee election for principal chief will not be recognized by the U.S. government if the ousted members, known to some as "Cherokee Freedmen," are not allowed to vote.

The dispute stems from the fact that some wealthy Cherokee owned black slaves who worked on their plantations in the South. By the 1830s, most of the tribe was forced to relocate to present-day Oklahoma, and many took their slaves with them. The so-called Freedmen are descendants of those slaves.

After the Civil War, in which the Cherokee fought for the South, a treaty was signed in 1866 guaranteeing tribal citizenship for the freed slaves.

The U.S. government said that the 1866 treaty between the Cherokee tribe and the U.S. government guaranteed that the slaves were tribal citizens, whether or not they had a Cherokee blood relation.

The African Americans lost their citizenship last month when the Cherokee Supreme Court voted to support the right of tribal members to change the tribe's constitution on citizenship matters.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: citizenship; nation; race
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1 posted on 09/16/2011 1:08:21 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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Didn’t know there was an enclave of unwelcome Blacks within the Cherokee Nation.


2 posted on 09/16/2011 1:21:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Altura Ct.

How can you be African Americans and Cherokee citizens at the same time. What would that make you? Native African Americans? African Native Americans? Or what?
Seems to me, both are oxymorons.


3 posted on 09/16/2011 1:28:20 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’ve seen this story before, usually accompanied by some people snarking on the Libs for not standing up for the freedmen — but then I realized that the Conservatives have been remarkably quiet about this as well.

And I don’t know why.


4 posted on 09/16/2011 1:29:20 AM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Altura Ct.
Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics: all politics in America is not local but ultimately racial.


5 posted on 09/16/2011 1:38:34 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Ronin

“And I don’t know why.”

Why do they want to revoke their citizenship? Or tribal membership I guess I should say. It’s not a lot of people, so i don’t see why this is an issue for the Cherokee tribe. And then what happens to them? Do they have to apply for US citizenship?


6 posted on 09/16/2011 1:41:10 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Altura Ct.

The BIA can piss up a rope. ha!

If only the rest of America would tell this to the Fed.


7 posted on 09/16/2011 2:02:12 AM PDT by waterhill (Got pig?)
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To: Altura Ct.
...BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk...

So that's where Idaho's former Attorney General went.

8 posted on 09/16/2011 2:13:24 AM PDT by Victoria_R (Believers in VERY small government: Count Mountjoy/Benter in 2012!!!)
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To: Altura Ct.
I'd be willing to guess that this has more to do with culture than anything else. Who, gets to decide what a Cherokee is. The BIA? The 1866 Treaty? Or do the Cherokee people themselves decide.
9 posted on 09/16/2011 2:32:26 AM PDT by csense
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To: Altura Ct.
The reaction follows a letter the tribe received on Monday from BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk, who warned that the results of the September 24 Cherokee election for principal chief will not be recognized by the U.S. government if the ousted members, known to some as "Cherokee Freedmen," are not allowed to vote.

Big mistake BIA. I've worked with the tribes before in the past and they will stand up together and tell Uncle Sam to shove it. And they can get away from it, especially since the Oklahoma tribes are politically very powerful and are recognized collectively as a sovereign government under U.S. law. Obama's BIA can try to bully them, but will get its head handed back on a platter.

10 posted on 09/16/2011 2:43:58 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Altura Ct.
Two “victims” of the paleface slave masters duking it out...

There is a deeper meaning here somewhere...

Nah,it's just the welfare pie is going to shrink and the Indians don't want to share anymore with the brothers.

11 posted on 09/16/2011 2:45:27 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Count to ten when dealing with fools--with liberals make it twenty.")
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To: csense

It’s all about $$$$ and federal resources. Indian affairs is a zero sum game, with haves and have-nots. When those $$$$ and resources start drying up, then the tribes start squabbling internally and with each other. I guess the Oklahoma Cherokees got tired of sending out checks to black who are not Indian by blood. Eligibility is an enormous issue for the tribes, and they will push back hard against outside attempts to interfere with their ability to decide who is and Indian and who is not.


12 posted on 09/16/2011 2:48:00 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Altura Ct.

We will exclude. (Wampanoag)


13 posted on 09/16/2011 2:58:06 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Typical MSM smear job, trying to paint the Cherokees as bad ol’ racists like Massa in the Old South.

Not all Cherokees fought with the Confederacy, although some did. I suspect that those who fought did so over resentment about the Trail of Tears. How convenient for MSNBC to omit that little item! Some minorities are more equal than others.

Of course, liars in the media like to paint all Confederates as mint julep-sipping, veranda-sitting, slave-beating bad guys. And some fools believe it.


14 posted on 09/16/2011 3:13:30 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: GadareneDemoniac

The comedian Don Cheadle’s family was among those people who were owned by the Cherokees.


15 posted on 09/16/2011 3:17:38 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Interesting, warring tribes?


16 posted on 09/16/2011 3:18:18 AM PDT by Evergolightly (One's conclusions are founded in the path travelled.)
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To: MestaMachine

Come to Connecticut and visit the Mashantucket Pequot tribe. It has s black side and a white side and things are not peaceful.


17 posted on 09/16/2011 3:47:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I agree. I’m just guessing that it’s more culturally driven. I se no reason to think that they’re not going through what most other cultures are going through right now...an identity crisis.


18 posted on 09/16/2011 3:48:39 AM PDT by csense
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To: Altura Ct.

"Hast du gesehen in deine leben? Dey darker den us....WOOF!"

19 posted on 09/16/2011 3:53:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: csense

Well, Oklahoma Indians are somewhat different. There are no reservations in Oklahoma, but hundreds, perhaps thousands of individual Indian communities, which were thrown together as a result the 1830s-1840s Indian removal policy. In fact, the old Oklahoma Territory was uncle Sam’s dumping ground for uprooted Eastern Indians (from the so-called Five Civilized tribes), and although they maintain their original tribal identities, they still band together to exert tremendous political power, and Oklahoma’s congressional delegation fiercely protects them. BIA has started a fight it can’t win by involving itself in this internal eligibility issue.


20 posted on 09/16/2011 3:56:00 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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